Taylor Meeting at Wootton

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Where did time go? MoCo didn't used to be like this. Run by people that cared about the county.

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Anonymous wrote:I just looked it up on google maps. 12 min drive from Wootton to Crown.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the communities around the current site of Wootton HS bought their homes under the assumption their kids (or other people's kids who bought their home) could walk to school, and they feel entitled to have that continue to be the case in perpetuity, taxpayers be damned

Incorrect. They bought homes based on the expectation of stability. If MCPS handled the Wootton situation like it did Blair, there would be less complaining. That was handled through YEARS of community input. Taylor doesn’t want to wait that long because he wants to declare victory for both his bosses (BOE) and Crown developers. Someone convinced him that using Crown as a holding school wasn’t a good idea - I want to know who - since he formally proposed doing so with all of the relevant information in hand. If using Crown as a holding school is such a financially irresponsible idea now, why did he propose it in the first place?

Taylor is doing too much all at once. This has been a rushed and chaotic process and he added to it the regional model which has caused a lot of confusion. But he also inherited a complete mess. The process is what it is, but at the end of the day moving Wootton to Crown is the only affordable option.

And maybe that will prove to be the case after a year or two of true community engagement and public scrutiny of the plans/data. But MCPS needs to do things right.

Omg no thank you. The data is there you just don't like it. Taxpayers do not want to fund your temper tantrum.

It’s not and there are significant holes in it. I’m sure MoCo taxpayers would like MCPS to deal fairly with affected communities. And if you’re so worried about taxes, I’m sure you would welcome the scrutiny by an independent party (judge and/or IG) to prove you’re right.

What are you afraid of?

Personally, I'm afraid of this dragging on any longer and furthering the divide in communities. If Anti-H could show in good faith they wanted to work with people and not just call everyone crooks, they might have had more of a shot in their "delay the vote" tactic. They tanked themselves and could use some lessons in interpersonal effectiveness.

This. The bull in the china shop approach didn't work. You should have taken notes from Dufief and killed them with kindness. You not only lost the battle but also the war with your bad attitude and sense of self-importance. You won't win any lawsuits and you look stupid, racist and classist. I hope your kids don't carry these nasty a$$ attitudes to Crown and get their a$$es kicked. Congratulations.

TT’s bull in the china shop totally worked. He is killing MCPS and we get our taxes raised.

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Anonymous wrote:I just looked it up on google maps. 12 min drive from Wootton to Crown.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the communities around the current site of Wootton HS bought their homes under the assumption their kids (or other people's kids who bought their home) could walk to school, and they feel entitled to have that continue to be the case in perpetuity, taxpayers be damned

Incorrect. They bought homes based on the expectation of stability. If MCPS handled the Wootton situation like it did Blair, there would be less complaining. That was handled through YEARS of community input. Taylor doesn’t want to wait that long because he wants to declare victory for both his bosses (BOE) and Crown developers. Someone convinced him that using Crown as a holding school wasn’t a good idea - I want to know who - since he formally proposed doing so with all of the relevant information in hand. If using Crown as a holding school is such a financially irresponsible idea now, why did he propose it in the first place?

Taylor is doing too much all at once. This has been a rushed and chaotic process and he added to it the regional model which has caused a lot of confusion. But he also inherited a complete mess. The process is what it is, but at the end of the day moving Wootton to Crown is the only affordable option.

And maybe that will prove to be the case after a year or two of true community engagement and public scrutiny of the plans/data. But MCPS needs to do things right.

Omg no thank you. The data is there you just don't like it. Taxpayers do not want to fund your temper tantrum.

It’s not and there are significant holes in it. I’m sure MoCo taxpayers would like MCPS to deal fairly with affected communities. And if you’re so worried about taxes, I’m sure you would welcome the scrutiny by an independent party (judge and/or IG) to prove you’re right.

What are you afraid of?

Personally, I'm afraid of this dragging on any longer and furthering the divide in communities. If Anti-H could show in good faith they wanted to work with people and not just call everyone crooks, they might have had more of a shot in their "delay the vote" tactic. They tanked themselves and could use some lessons in interpersonal effectiveness.

This. The bull in the china shop approach didn't work. You should have taken notes from Dufief and killed them with kindness. You not only lost the battle but also the war with your bad attitude and sense of self-importance. You won't win any lawsuits and you look stupid, racist and classist. I hope your kids don't carry these nasty a$$ attitudes to Crown and get their a$$es kicked. Congratulations.

So you wish harm to children?

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Where does $300M come from? Still wondering how we think this gets solved.

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

+1. Crown *will* be a W school (though DCUM will need to come up with a name to replace "W"). It will be current Wootton plus some additional more expensive homes plus some additional less expensive homes. Yes, the FARMs rate will go up a bit, but not that much. And that doesn't actually matter for what you're looking for. Technically, the school's average SAT score may go down (irrelevant), but the whole current Wootton population will be there, so it will have just as many APs, just as many serious students. The reality of any school is that for most classes (and pretty much all after sophomore year) the strong students are generally separated academically from the weaker students by virtue of class choice.

I feel for current-walkers who will now be bus riders. But otherwise, this is a really positive outcome for the community as a whole.

👏 There you go being reasonable and optimistic on DCUM!

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Taylor inherited some of these issues. Sure we could cut him some slack but shouldn’t his board be set up to actually facilitate conversations to arrive at a decision?

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What schools are due for CIP that need Wootton as a holding school?

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Anonymous wrote:I just looked it up on google maps. 12 min drive from Wootton to Crown.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the communities around the current site of Wootton HS bought their homes under the assumption their kids (or other people's kids who bought their home) could walk to school, and they feel entitled to have that continue to be the case in perpetuity, taxpayers be damned

Incorrect. They bought homes based on the expectation of stability. If MCPS handled the Wootton situation like it did Blair, there would be less complaining. That was handled through YEARS of community input. Taylor doesn’t want to wait that long because he wants to declare victory for both his bosses (BOE) and Crown developers. Someone convinced him that using Crown as a holding school wasn’t a good idea - I want to know who - since he formally proposed doing so with all of the relevant information in hand. If using Crown as a holding school is such a financially irresponsible idea now, why did he propose it in the first place?

Taylor is doing too much all at once. This has been a rushed and chaotic process and he added to it the regional model which has caused a lot of confusion. But he also inherited a complete mess. The process is what it is, but at the end of the day moving Wootton to Crown is the only affordable option.

And maybe that will prove to be the case after a year or two of true community engagement and public scrutiny of the plans/data. But MCPS needs to do things right.

Omg no thank you. The data is there you just don't like it. Taxpayers do not want to fund your temper tantrum.

It’s not and there are significant holes in it. I’m sure MoCo taxpayers would like MCPS to deal fairly with affected communities. And if you’re so worried about taxes, I’m sure you would welcome the scrutiny by an independent party (judge and/or IG) to prove you’re right.

What are you afraid of?

Personally, I'm afraid of this dragging on any longer and furthering the divide in communities. If Anti-H could show in good faith they wanted to work with people and not just call everyone crooks, they might have had more of a shot in their "delay the vote" tactic. They tanked themselves and could use some lessons in interpersonal effectiveness.

This. The bull in the china shop approach didn't work. You should have taken notes from Dufief and killed them with kindness. You not only lost the battle but also the war with your bad attitude and sense of self-importance. You won't win any lawsuits and you look stupid, racist and classist. I hope your kids don't carry these nasty a$$ attitudes to Crown and get their a$$es kicked. Congratulations.

So you wish harm to children?

Can you read?

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Anonymous wrote:I just looked it up on google maps. 12 min drive from Wootton to Crown.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the communities around the current site of Wootton HS bought their homes under the assumption their kids (or other people's kids who bought their home) could walk to school, and they feel entitled to have that continue to be the case in perpetuity, taxpayers be damned

Incorrect. They bought homes based on the expectation of stability. If MCPS handled the Wootton situation like it did Blair, there would be less complaining. That was handled through YEARS of community input. Taylor doesn’t want to wait that long because he wants to declare victory for both his bosses (BOE) and Crown developers. Someone convinced him that using Crown as a holding school wasn’t a good idea - I want to know who - since he formally proposed doing so with all of the relevant information in hand. If using Crown as a holding school is such a financially irresponsible idea now, why did he propose it in the first place?

Taylor is doing too much all at once. This has been a rushed and chaotic process and he added to it the regional model which has caused a lot of confusion. But he also inherited a complete mess. The process is what it is, but at the end of the day moving Wootton to Crown is the only affordable option.

And maybe that will prove to be the case after a year or two of true community engagement and public scrutiny of the plans/data. But MCPS needs to do things right.

Omg no thank you. The data is there you just don't like it. Taxpayers do not want to fund your temper tantrum.

It’s not and there are significant holes in it. I’m sure MoCo taxpayers would like MCPS to deal fairly with affected communities. And if you’re so worried about taxes, I’m sure you would welcome the scrutiny by an independent party (judge and/or IG) to prove you’re right.

What are you afraid of?

Personally, I'm afraid of this dragging on any longer and furthering the divide in communities. If Anti-H could show in good faith they wanted to work with people and not just call everyone crooks, they might have had more of a shot in their "delay the vote" tactic. They tanked themselves and could use some lessons in interpersonal effectiveness.

This. The bull in the china shop approach didn't work. You should have taken notes from Dufief and killed them with kindness. You not only lost the battle but also the war with your bad attitude and sense of self-importance. You won't win any lawsuits and you look stupid, racist and classist. I hope your kids don't carry these nasty a$$ attitudes to Crown and get their a$$es kicked. Congratulations.

So you wish harm to children?

Yes, admins do hate children. See how they leave predators in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor inherited some of these issues. Sure we could cut him some slack but shouldn’t his board be set up to actually facilitate conversations to arrive at a decision?

He promised transparency, accountability, and equity. This is great for some schools but will further harm many otheres.

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

+1. Crown *will* be a W school (though DCUM will need to come up with a name to replace "W"). It will be current Wootton plus some additional more expensive homes plus some additional less expensive homes. Yes, the FARMs rate will go up a bit, but not that much. And that doesn't actually matter for what you're looking for. Technically, the school's average SAT score may go down (irrelevant), but the whole current Wootton population will be there, so it will have just as many APs, just as many serious students. The reality of any school is that for most classes (and pretty much all after sophomore year) the strong students are generally separated academically from the weaker students by virtue of class choice.

I feel for current-walkers who will now be bus riders. But otherwise, this is a really positive outcome for the community as a whole.

It also helps with college admissions to have less competition with less smart kids at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

Which cost more than some of the homes zoned for Wootton. Maybe they should be complaing about going to school with poor people who stretched to buy their homes?

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Anonymous wrote:I just looked it up on google maps. 12 min drive from Wootton to Crown.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the communities around the current site of Wootton HS bought their homes under the assumption their kids (or other people's kids who bought their home) could walk to school, and they feel entitled to have that continue to be the case in perpetuity, taxpayers be damned

Incorrect. They bought homes based on the expectation of stability. If MCPS handled the Wootton situation like it did Blair, there would be less complaining. That was handled through YEARS of community input. Taylor doesn’t want to wait that long because he wants to declare victory for both his bosses (BOE) and Crown developers. Someone convinced him that using Crown as a holding school wasn’t a good idea - I want to know who - since he formally proposed doing so with all of the relevant information in hand. If using Crown as a holding school is such a financially irresponsible idea now, why did he propose it in the first place?

Taylor is doing too much all at once. This has been a rushed and chaotic process and he added to it the regional model which has caused a lot of confusion. But he also inherited a complete mess. The process is what it is, but at the end of the day moving Wootton to Crown is the only affordable option.

And maybe that will prove to be the case after a year or two of true community engagement and public scrutiny of the plans/data. But MCPS needs to do things right.

Omg no thank you. The data is there you just don't like it. Taxpayers do not want to fund your temper tantrum.

It’s not and there are significant holes in it. I’m sure MoCo taxpayers would like MCPS to deal fairly with affected communities. And if you’re so worried about taxes, I’m sure you would welcome the scrutiny by an independent party (judge and/or IG) to prove you’re right.

What are you afraid of?

Personally, I'm afraid of this dragging on any longer and furthering the divide in communities. If Anti-H could show in good faith they wanted to work with people and not just call everyone crooks, they might have had more of a shot in their "delay the vote" tactic. They tanked themselves and could use some lessons in interpersonal effectiveness.

This. The bull in the china shop approach didn't work. You should have taken notes from Dufief and killed them with kindness. You not only lost the battle but also the war with your bad attitude and sense of self-importance. You won't win any lawsuits and you look stupid, racist and classist. I hope your kids don't carry these nasty a$$ attitudes to Crown and get their a$$es kicked. Congratulations.

Right… and the white lady Dufief Karens on the pro H side who are intentionally stoking racial tensions are definitely killing everyone with kindness and doing a bang up job

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Anonymous wrote:I just looked it up on google maps. 12 min drive from Wootton to Crown.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the communities around the current site of Wootton HS bought their homes under the assumption their kids (or other people's kids who bought their home) could walk to school, and they feel entitled to have that continue to be the case in perpetuity, taxpayers be damned

Incorrect. They bought homes based on the expectation of stability. If MCPS handled the Wootton situation like it did Blair, there would be less complaining. That was handled through YEARS of community input. Taylor doesn’t want to wait that long because he wants to declare victory for both his bosses (BOE) and Crown developers. Someone convinced him that using Crown as a holding school wasn’t a good idea - I want to know who - since he formally proposed doing so with all of the relevant information in hand. If using Crown as a holding school is such a financially irresponsible idea now, why did he propose it in the first place?

Taylor is doing too much all at once. This has been a rushed and chaotic process and he added to it the regional model which has caused a lot of confusion. But he also inherited a complete mess. The process is what it is, but at the end of the day moving Wootton to Crown is the only affordable option.

And maybe that will prove to be the case after a year or two of true community engagement and public scrutiny of the plans/data. But MCPS needs to do things right.

Omg no thank you. The data is there you just don't like it. Taxpayers do not want to fund your temper tantrum.

It’s not and there are significant holes in it. I’m sure MoCo taxpayers would like MCPS to deal fairly with affected communities. And if you’re so worried about taxes, I’m sure you would welcome the scrutiny by an independent party (judge and/or IG) to prove you’re right.

What are you afraid of?

Personally, I'm afraid of this dragging on any longer and furthering the divide in communities. If Anti-H could show in good faith they wanted to work with people and not just call everyone crooks, they might have had more of a shot in their "delay the vote" tactic. They tanked themselves and could use some lessons in interpersonal effectiveness.

This. The bull in the china shop approach didn't work. You should have taken notes from Dufief and killed them with kindness. You not only lost the battle but also the war with your bad attitude and sense of self-importance. You won't win any lawsuits and you look stupid, racist and classist. I hope your kids don't carry these nasty a$$ attitudes to Crown and get their a$$es kicked. Congratulations.

So you wish harm to children?

Yes, admins do hate children. See how they leave predators in schools.

See how they let a predator run the country.

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

Which cost more than some of the homes zoned for Wootton. Maybe they should be complaing about going to school with poor people who stretched to buy their homes?

They will say absolutely nada. The Wootton population is the only thing preventing the Crown residents from having to go school with the poors. Crown people leveled up by getting the Wootton population and they know it.