How many teachers are leaving your school next year?

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

Regardless, a teachers salary is not cutting it.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

Regardless, a teachers salary is not cutting it.

Totally agree. I know in Fairfax county there are programs that will sell new homes to people making under a certain amount of money for a heavily discounted price. For instance, there are some new townhouses selling for 8-900k but the discounted ones will sell for like 200k. These types of programs should really favor teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

I think a house like this is more than “decent” with decent schools:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8814-Aquary-Ct_Springfield_VA_22153_M55959-20548?from=srp-list-card

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

I think a house like this is more than “decent” with decent schools:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8814-Aquary-Ct_Springfield_VA_22153_M55959-20548?from=srp-list-card

Yes. Another option https://www.redfin.com/VA/Herndon/13166-Rounding-Run-Cir-20171/home/9427379

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None of these homes are within the reach of a high school teacher with less than 20 years of service. And even then...

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Anonymous wrote:None of these homes are within the reach of a high school teacher with less than 20 years of service. And even then...

I agree. I posted the first house in response to those who are saying there are no decent SFHs under $900k.

My DW and I are both teachers. I’ve been teaching 31 years and I never remember a time when a single teacher would have been able to afford most SFHs in FFX Co.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

I think a house like this is more than “decent” with decent schools:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8814-Aquary-Ct_Springfield_VA_22153_M55959-20548?from=srp-list-card

You think a TEACHER can buy an $800,000 house?

I’ve been teaching 15 years, save every penny, work every summer, and my rent for an apartment in a “rough area” is 50% of my monthly take home.

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Anonymous wrote:None of these homes are within the reach of a high school teacher with less than 20 years of service. And even then...

I agree. I posted the first house in response to those who are saying there are no decent SFHs under $900k.

My DW and I are both teachers. I’ve been teaching 31 years and I never remember a time when a single teacher would have been able to afford most SFHs in FFX Co.

We can’t afford a TH or a condo either. Maybe I should be required to get married? Can’t even afford one in PWC or Stafford.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

Regardless, a teachers salary is not cutting it.

And yet DCUM experts live to tell us how overpaid teachers are.

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Anonymous wrote:None of these homes are within the reach of a high school teacher with less than 20 years of service. And even then...

I agree. I posted the first house in response to those who are saying there are no decent SFHs under $900k.

My DW and I are both teachers. I’ve been teaching 31 years and I never remember a time when a single teacher would have been able to afford most SFHs in FFX Co.

We can’t afford a TH or a condo either. Maybe I should be required to get married? Can’t even afford one in PWC or Stafford.

The home prices are pushing it even if you had a two income double teacher household.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

I think a house like this is more than “decent” with decent schools:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8814-Aquary-Ct_Springfield_VA_22153_M55959-20548?from=srp-list-card

You think a TEACHER can buy an $800,000 house?

I’ve been teaching 15 years, save every penny, work every summer, and my rent for an apartment in a “rough area” is 50% of my monthly take home.

No. I’m a teacher and I’m in no way saying that. Just pointing out that all decent houses aren’t a million $.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

I think a house like this is more than “decent” with decent schools:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8814-Aquary-Ct_Springfield_VA_22153_M55959-20548?from=srp-list-card

You think a TEACHER can buy an $800,000 house?

I’ve been teaching 15 years, save every penny, work every summer, and my rent for an apartment in a “rough area” is 50% of my monthly take home.

No definitely not a new teacher. Definitely not a single one. The mortgage on that would be $$$$. Teachers need raises. Also teachers should get preference for programs such as this one : http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/housing/homeownership/FirstTimeHomebuyers

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Anonymous wrote:None of these homes are within the reach of a high school teacher with less than 20 years of service. And even then...

I agree. I posted the first house in response to those who are saying there are no decent SFHs under $900k.

My DW and I are both teachers. I’ve been teaching 31 years and I never remember a time when a single teacher would have been able to afford most SFHs in FFX Co.

We can’t afford a TH or a condo either. Maybe I should be required to get married? Can’t even afford one in PWC or Stafford.

Big take away this is why amazing teachers are leaving and parents are encountering so many crappy teachers who don't know how to teach and really don't care to. The good students are paying the price.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

You can't get a decent house for 900k in a decent school district in Loudoun. You may be able to in western Fairfax county though, not from the 1960s but probably from the 80s with some moderate updates.

I think a house like this is more than “decent” with decent schools:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8814-Aquary-Ct_Springfield_VA_22153_M55959-20548?from=srp-list-card

You think a TEACHER can buy an $800,000 house?

I’ve been teaching 15 years, save every penny, work every summer, and my rent for an apartment in a “rough area” is 50% of my monthly take home.

No. I’m a teacher and I’m in no way saying that. Just pointing out that all decent houses aren’t a million $.

True … but $800,000 … a million …

Not really that much difference when a single teacher 15 years in with a master’s can’t even afford a 2 bedroom anything that’s less than 1.5 hours away.

The salary offered here in nova seems big but it’s not enough to live on. Even working summers.