How many teachers are leaving your school next year?

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

Ugh....do you feel like LCPS is better than FCPS gatehouse which is a giant mess? or more of the same?

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

I know a teacher who just left a school with a FARMS % in the single digits, largely because the students were misbehaved.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

I know a teacher who just left a school with a FARMS % in the single digits, largely because the students were misbehaved.

I just don't see how behavior at a low farms rate FCPS school would be much worse than a similar LCPS school. It's the same kind of people. It's this new age gentle parenting crap and it's not only an FCPS thing. You are deluding yourself if you think LCPS kids are better behaved.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

Having worked in both… I’ll be sticking with FCPS and my second pension.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

I know a teacher who just left a school with a FARMS % in the single digits, largely because the students were misbehaved.

I just don't see how behavior at a low farms rate FCPS school would be much worse than a similar LCPS school. It's the same kind of people. It's this new age gentle parenting crap and it's not only an FCPS thing. You are deluding yourself if you think LCPS kids are better behaved.

I work in a highly desired "aap" school....the behaviors are horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

I know a teacher who just left a school with a FARMS % in the single digits, largely because the students were misbehaved.

I just don't see how behavior at a low farms rate FCPS school would be much worse than a similar LCPS school. It's the same kind of people. It's this new age gentle parenting crap and it's not only an FCPS thing. You are deluding yourself if you think LCPS kids are better behaved.

If that is directed towards me, the PP you quoted, I don't think LCPS kids are better behaved. I didn't say anything about LCPS. I was just responding to the PP who wrote, "...look at the farms % and go from there".

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

I know a teacher who just left a school with a FARMS % in the single digits, largely because the students were misbehaved.

I just don't see how behavior at a low farms rate FCPS school would be much worse than a similar LCPS school. It's the same kind of people. It's this new age gentle parenting crap and it's not only an FCPS thing. You are deluding yourself if you think LCPS kids are better behaved.

If that is directed towards me, the PP you quoted, I don't think LCPS kids are better behaved. I didn't say anything about LCPS. I was just responding to the PP who wrote, "...look at the farms % and go from there".

I directed it towards the person that was saying behavior was better in LCPS. I would think that at two similarly social economic startus schools in FCPS and LCPS that you would find the same kinds of behaviors. LCPS is actually probably more of a mixture of ses because the communities are newer and you will find a mixture of apts/condo/sfh/townhouses in a school zone. Whereas, FCPS you have areas with only sfh and areas that are more high density made up of mostly apt/condo/th. That person was not making a fair and accurate statement.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

I know a teacher who just left a school with a FARMS % in the single digits, largely because the students were misbehaved.

I just don't see how behavior at a low farms rate FCPS school would be much worse than a similar LCPS school. It's the same kind of people. It's this new age gentle parenting crap and it's not only an FCPS thing. You are deluding yourself if you think LCPS kids are better behaved.

If that is directed towards me, the PP you quoted, I don't think LCPS kids are better behaved. I didn't say anything about LCPS. I was just responding to the PP who wrote, "...look at the farms % and go from there".

I directed it towards the person that was saying behavior was better in LCPS. I would think that at two similarly social economic startus schools in FCPS and LCPS that you would find the same kinds of behaviors. LCPS is actually probably more of a mixture of ses because the communities are newer and you will find a mixture of apts/condo/sfh/townhouses in a school zone. Whereas, FCPS you have areas with only sfh and areas that are more high density made up of mostly apt/condo/th. That person was not making a fair and accurate statement.

I don't think one is better than the other....just a different zip code and newer schools. Chaos within both.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

I started on FCPS when the salaries were higher and moved to Loudoun a couple years back. For any teachers reading this, the behaviors aren’t as bad, the schools are nicer/newer, great co-workers…so feel free to make the shift. It’s great out here!

This is really great to hear!

Really depends on the area and school, just like FCPS. Some schools are good, others not so much. You just have to really look at the farms % and go from there. Preference for the subsidized housing in the new developments should really be given to teachers instead of people that don't use birth control and have way too many kids.

I know a teacher who just left a school with a FARMS % in the single digits, largely because the students were misbehaved.

I just don't see how behavior at a low farms rate FCPS school would be much worse than a similar LCPS school. It's the same kind of people. It's this new age gentle parenting crap and it's not only an FCPS thing. You are deluding yourself if you think LCPS kids are better behaved.

If that is directed towards me, the PP you quoted, I don't think LCPS kids are better behaved. I didn't say anything about LCPS. I was just responding to the PP who wrote, "...look at the farms % and go from there".

I directed it towards the person that was saying behavior was better in LCPS. I would think that at two similarly social economic startus schools in FCPS and LCPS that you would find the same kinds of behaviors. LCPS is actually probably more of a mixture of ses because the communities are newer and you will find a mixture of apts/condo/sfh/townhouses in a school zone. Whereas, FCPS you have areas with only sfh and areas that are more high density made up of mostly apt/condo/th. That person was not making a fair and accurate statement.

I don't think one is better than the other....just a different zip code and newer schools. Chaos within both.

I hate to break this to you all, but most public school districts are doing not great. The problems are trickled down from state and national policy.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

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Anonymous wrote:They track the staff who leave in and the have it in the last school board meeting of every month. They lost 276 teachers in the summer time last year and lose about 30 teachers a month during the school year. So far this year they have lost 454 teachers post contract/ midyear, not including retirees.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D55GQD44BDF6/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20April%201%2C%202024%20to%20April%2030%2C%202024.pdf

Here is the data of the people who break contact or leave midyear

Thanks for this, PP. Interesting and enlightening and a bit shocking to see these stats.

The scariest part is the numbers don’t seem to be improving each year. Public education has never seen mid year departures at this rate before because it was a given that if you quit midyear that your career was over. Now the staffing is so unstable that it’s not the career ender that it used to be.

So many of my county colleagues left or fled to Loudoun where the pay is higher and is typically a shorter commute. LCPS = FCPS of maybe 40 years ago: growing population with new build homes in higher demographic with shiny new schools.

The High COL is killing Fairfax. Even houses in the “rougher” school zones are incredibly expensive for public service workers. They have some housing voucher programs for teachers and emergency services employees but apparently the waitlists are super long.

Loudoun is expensive too.

But not like Fairfax

I dunno about that. A crappy 90s house with no land is a million dollars in Loudoun.

This whole area is crappy.

A crappy 1960s house is 900k in ffx.

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