2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:None of this is based on hard academic merit. It's social factors and diversity and first gen and holistic measures.

Only a school that requires all test scores (not test optional), gpa, course rigor and known for quality education should be in the top 10.

It's no longer a purely 'academic' list.


It's not obvious that a school should be ranked higher because those attending had higher SAT scores and grades in High School. Say you split Princeton (#1 in the current ranking) in half (facilities and professors teaching 50/50) and then put 1000 students in half A and 1000 in half B. If those in Half A has SATs of 1500+ and those in half B 1400-1500 - is Half A a better school and should be ranked 50 spots higher?


Quality of peer students should be a major factor.



Why?


Because peer interactions in the class room is part of the education.

NP. I agree, though the only *cough* standardized way to do that would be by including scores. With test optional policies in place, that may be out the window, unless % submitting is accounted for.


Class rank was a surrogate for gpa and accounts for different grading systems, but it was jettisoned this year.
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Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.

I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.

Minnesota beats both at #53.

So many sheep posting today. There are meaningful differences between MSU, IU, and UMN, but the USNWR ranking ain't one of them.
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Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.



I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.


Minnesota beats both at #53.


Is this the schools with over 70% acceptance rate?

Sounds totally BS ranking


Your focus on acceptance rate is flawed


Graduation rate 81%
Median earning $65K

Nobody would buy this school is tied with Northeastern, W&M, and Case Western.
Ranking is flawed.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.

I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.

Minnesota beats both at #53.

So many sheep posting today. There are meaningful differences between MSU, IU, and UMN, but the USNWR ranking ain't one of them.


You know, as opposed to the continuous UVA diatribe coming from both sides …
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Anonymous wrote:UVA needs to stop worrying about keeping up with Cal, UCLA, and Michigan. That ship has sailed. No more Kennedys are showing up for law school. No more “It’s us and Duke atop the ACC.”

So true! The order of importance with public schools has been clearly defined. UVA drops two places from third to fifth. There are many excellent public schools just behind them that are also not weak in STEM, so UVA needs to be on the lookout for further dropping. Actually only USNWR had UVA near the Big 3 (UCB/UCLA/U-M) in the past. In most rankings, they aren’t really close at all.
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Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.



I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.


Minnesota beats both at #53.


Is this the schools with over 70% acceptance rate?

Sounds totally BS ranking


Your focus on acceptance rate is flawed


Graduation rate 81%
Median earning $65K

Nobody would buy this school is tied with Northeastern, W&M, and Case Western.
Ranking is flawed.


Which school?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.



I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.


Minnesota beats both at #53.


Is this the schools with over 70% acceptance rate?

Sounds totally BS ranking


Your focus on acceptance rate is flawed


Graduation rate 81%
Median earning $65K

Nobody would buy this school is tied with Northeastern, W&M, and Case Western.
Ranking is flawed.


Carleton grads sure would after begging recruiters to visit their campus instead of the U: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-you-should-hire-from-liberal-arts-colleges-philip-xiao
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.



I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.


Minnesota beats both at #53.


Is this the schools with over 70% acceptance rate?

Sounds totally BS ranking


Your focus on acceptance rate is flawed


Graduation rate 81%
Median earning $65K

Nobody would buy this school is tied with Northeastern, W&M, and Case Western.
Ranking is flawed.


Which school?


Minnesota Twin Cities.
Florida State Univ as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities





I don't have a problem with the schools listed 1-24. I quibble about the order. Berkeley and UCLA are obviously good schools. But the only reason they're in the top 15 is because USNWR no longer cares about class size. Both schools have classes with more than a 1000 students, which is ridiculous. That's not happening at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and other schools they've displaced. And USNWR seems to think six years is a reasonable time to graduate, which again helps UCLA and Berkeley where a lot of students have a hard time getting into all their required classes within four years. Again, not a problem at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, and Notre Dame.

And then there's the fixation on Pell Grant students. And a reminder, colleges have no idea if a potential student will get a Pell Grant at the time of admittance. Obviously, two schools from the most economically diverse state in the country with a collective 90,000 students are going to clean up with the Pell Grant boost. With the exception of UC Merced, nearly all the UCs are now top 35 schools. Irvine, San Diego, Santa Barbara. And UC Merced is now ranked 60.

60!

UC Merced!

Out of 4000 colleges and universities!

Also think Penn, JHU, and Brown are ranked too high. But whatever.

The real absurdities are everything that happens below 24.

I don't know what this list is supposed to measure, but it's definitely not the Best National Universities in America
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Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities





I don't have a problem with the schools listed 1-24. I quibble about the order. Berkeley and UCLA are obviously good schools. But the only reason they're in the top 15 is because USNWR no longer cares about class size. Both schools have classes with more than a 1000 students, which is ridiculous. That's not happening at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and other schools they've displaced. And USNWR seems to think six years is a reasonable time to graduate, which again helps UCLA and Berkeley where a lot of students have a hard time getting into all their required classes within four years. Again, not a problem at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, and Notre Dame.

And then there's the fixation on Pell Grant students. And a reminder, colleges have no idea if a potential student will get a Pell Grant at the time of admittance. Obviously, two schools from the most economically diverse state in the country with a collective 90,000 students are going to clean up with the Pell Grant boost. With the exception of UC Merced, nearly all the UCs are now top 35 schools. Irvine, San Diego, Santa Barbara. And UC Merced is now ranked 60.

60!

UC Merced!

Out of 4000 colleges and universities!

Also think Penn, JHU, and Brown are ranked too high. But whatever.

The real absurdities are everything that happens below 24.

I don't know what this list is supposed to measure, but it's definitely not the Best National Universities in America


Agree with all of this, well said.
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I think colleges can quite easily figure out which applicants are Pell Eligible.
Anonymous
I predict in 6 months, we'll see a change at the top of admissions at Dartmouth.

First, the terrible article in the NYT pointing out that they admit a shit ton of 1ers% (600k plus).

And now this dreadful showing.

If anyone has done a Dartmouth tour, it ranks up there w Harvard and ND as the most self-satisfied admin staff. A little humility may be at hand.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities





I don't have a problem with the schools listed 1-24. I quibble about the order. Berkeley and UCLA are obviously good schools. But the only reason they're in the top 15 is because USNWR no longer cares about class size. Both schools have classes with more than a 1000 students, which is ridiculous. That's not happening at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and other schools they've displaced. And USNWR seems to think six years is a reasonable time to graduate, which again helps UCLA and Berkeley where a lot of students have a hard time getting into all their required classes within four years. Again, not a problem at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, and Notre Dame.

And then there's the fixation on Pell Grant students. And a reminder, colleges have no idea if a potential student will get a Pell Grant at the time of admittance. Obviously, two schools from the most economically diverse state in the country with a collective 90,000 students are going to clean up with the Pell Grant boost. With the exception of UC Merced, nearly all the UCs are now top 35 schools. Irvine, San Diego, Santa Barbara. And UC Merced is now ranked 60.

60!

UC Merced!

Out of 4000 colleges and universities!

Also think Penn, JHU, and Brown are ranked too high. But whatever.

The real absurdities are everything that happens below 24.

I don't know what this list is supposed to measure, but it's definitely not the Best National Universities in America


Agree with all of this, well said.


I think test score averages are COMPLETELY irrelevant unless they are required for all Applicants. Only the high scorers submit tests at test optional schools which falsely inflates their average. It's pretty impressive that a school that requires test scores for every single applicant/admit can be so high at places like Georgetown, even their athletes and hooks' scores are factored in the average.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.



I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.


Minnesota beats both at #53.


Is this the schools with over 70% acceptance rate?

Sounds totally BS ranking


Your focus on acceptance rate is flawed


Graduation rate 81%
Median earning $65K

Nobody would buy this school is tied with Northeastern, W&M, and Case Western.
Ranking is flawed.


Which school?


Minnesota Twin Cities.
Florida State Univ as well.



UMN acceptance rate is 75%
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Michigan State starts to look fairly interesting in these new rankings. #60 with an 88% acceptance rate.



I noticed that too. A decent amount of separation from Indiana now (#73), which seems to be much more popular here at DCUM.


Minnesota beats both at #53.


Is this the schools with over 70% acceptance rate?

Sounds totally BS ranking


Your focus on acceptance rate is flawed


Graduation rate 81%
Median earning $65K

Nobody would buy this school is tied with Northeastern, W&M, and Case Western.
Ranking is flawed.

Sure they would. IRONICALLY my son applied to all four of these fine schools last year. Not kidding.
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