Class rank was a surrogate for gpa and accounts for different grading systems, but it was jettisoned this year. |
So many sheep posting today. There are meaningful differences between MSU, IU, and UMN, but the USNWR ranking ain't one of them. |
Graduation rate 81% Median earning $65K Nobody would buy this school is tied with Northeastern, W&M, and Case Western. Ranking is flawed. |
You know, as opposed to the continuous UVA diatribe coming from both sides … |
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Which school? |
Carleton grads sure would after begging recruiters to visit their campus instead of the U: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-you-should-hire-from-liberal-arts-colleges-philip-xiao |
Minnesota Twin Cities. Florida State Univ as well. |
I don't have a problem with the schools listed 1-24. I quibble about the order. Berkeley and UCLA are obviously good schools. But the only reason they're in the top 15 is because USNWR no longer cares about class size. Both schools have classes with more than a 1000 students, which is ridiculous. That's not happening at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and other schools they've displaced. And USNWR seems to think six years is a reasonable time to graduate, which again helps UCLA and Berkeley where a lot of students have a hard time getting into all their required classes within four years. Again, not a problem at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, and Notre Dame. And then there's the fixation on Pell Grant students. And a reminder, colleges have no idea if a potential student will get a Pell Grant at the time of admittance. Obviously, two schools from the most economically diverse state in the country with a collective 90,000 students are going to clean up with the Pell Grant boost. With the exception of UC Merced, nearly all the UCs are now top 35 schools. Irvine, San Diego, Santa Barbara. And UC Merced is now ranked 60. 60! UC Merced! Out of 4000 colleges and universities! Also think Penn, JHU, and Brown are ranked too high. But whatever. The real absurdities are everything that happens below 24. I don't know what this list is supposed to measure, but it's definitely not the Best National Universities in America |
Agree with all of this, well said. |
| I think colleges can quite easily figure out which applicants are Pell Eligible. |
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I predict in 6 months, we'll see a change at the top of admissions at Dartmouth.
First, the terrible article in the NYT pointing out that they admit a shit ton of 1ers% (600k plus). And now this dreadful showing. If anyone has done a Dartmouth tour, it ranks up there w Harvard and ND as the most self-satisfied admin staff. A little humility may be at hand. |
I think test score averages are COMPLETELY irrelevant unless they are required for all Applicants. Only the high scorers submit tests at test optional schools which falsely inflates their average. It's pretty impressive that a school that requires test scores for every single applicant/admit can be so high at places like Georgetown, even their athletes and hooks' scores are factored in the average. |
UMN acceptance rate is 75% |
Sure they would. IRONICALLY my son applied to all four of these fine schools last year. Not kidding. |