Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with Russia taking all of Ukraine if it gives us license to conquer and remake Mexico

Mexico is a failed state and cannot be trusted any longer

Polk messed up by not conquering it

We can't fix Mexico, just like we can't fix all the countries in Central and South America. They're children of a very different culture. They need to do what they do and we need to not import it here.

I mean if we went full William sherman we could fix it.

What you mean is there isn’t the will to fix it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.

Because Russia changed that eight-year status quo with its invasion of the rest of Ukraine. Russia had most of Donbas and Crimea. And the West had let it slide without significant consequences - all of them; Obama, Trump, Merkel, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trudeau. If Russia hadn't invaded and sought to take Kyiv, the capital, they'd be doing just fine. Some skirmishing in Donbas. Some minor sanctions. But otherwise Russia would still get its oil revenue, most of Donbas would more or less be incorporated into Russia, and they'd hold on to a nice warm weather port on the Black Sea for its navy and Russian vacationers. 2014 was a total win for Russia. If Russians were smart, they would have enjoyed their victory and that would be that.

Instead, Russians made a colossal mistake by invading the rest of Ukraine. And Ukrainians fought back, destroying its Spetsnaz, paratroopers, and much of the initial armor in the first weeks. Absolutely legendary. But one year later the war has settled into a kind of stalemate. And it's not remotely sustainable. So far, in one year, somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have died. The civilian casualties are unknowable until there's an accounting of what happened in Mariupol, but it's well into the thousands. For comparison, the US lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam over twenty years. The war Russia launched against Ukraine cannot settle into a stalemate. The costs in human lives have been too large. There will be a winner and a loser. Because there is no alternative.

So far, the Biden administration and its NATO allies have navigated this pretty well. Freedom and self-determination on one side. Imperialism and genocide on the other. But no one wanst American or NATO soldiers fighting in Ukraine. So it's a thread the needle situation. This is a problem without an easy solution.

Think the real fear is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine becomes an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand situation. The Law of Unintended Consequences looms large here..

The Spring offensive will collapse what is left of the Russian army.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is another indication that Russia has lost.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-petersburg-bomb-cafe-military-blogger-vladlen-tatarsky/

An explosion tore through a cafe in Russia's second-largest city Sunday, killing a well-known military blogger and strident supporter of President Vladimir Putin's war against Ukraine. Officials announced the arrest of a Russian woman Monday in connection with the blast, claiming she carried a bust of the blogger into the cafe that was rigged as a bomb.

Russian officials said Vladlen Tatarsky was killed as he led a discussion at the cafe on the bank of the Neva River in the historic heart of St. Petersburg. Some 30 people were wounded in the blast, Russia's Health Ministry reported.

Ukraine can go asymmetric. It will be terrorism back by the resources of a state. Bet they all ready have an operations planned.

I guess we're ok with state sponsored terrorism as long as its our state sponsored terrorism?

Some people on here support Russian terrorism and war crimes. I am sure they will support the Ukrainians doing the same?

[Anonymous]

Exhaustion on both sides/ now jockeying to position for the end game.

Lots of propaganda out there- it’s hard to sift through.

[Anonymous]

The Washington Post recently reported on widespread Russian dis-information plots against the U.S.:

https://archive.is/S815W


The US will be better off after Russia collapses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.

Because Russia changed that eight-year status quo with its invasion of the rest of Ukraine. Russia had most of Donbas and Crimea. And the West had let it slide without significant consequences - all of them; Obama, Trump, Merkel, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trudeau. If Russia hadn't invaded and sought to take Kyiv, the capital, they'd be doing just fine. Some skirmishing in Donbas. Some minor sanctions. But otherwise Russia would still get its oil revenue, most of Donbas would more or less be incorporated into Russia, and they'd hold on to a nice warm weather port on the Black Sea for its navy and Russian vacationers. 2014 was a total win for Russia. If Russians were smart, they would have enjoyed their victory and that would be that.

Instead, Russians made a colossal mistake by invading the rest of Ukraine. And Ukrainians fought back, destroying its Spetsnaz, paratroopers, and much of the initial armor in the first weeks. Absolutely legendary. But one year later the war has settled into a kind of stalemate. And it's not remotely sustainable. So far, in one year, somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have died. The civilian casualties are unknowable until there's an accounting of what happened in Mariupol, but it's well into the thousands. For comparison, the US lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam over twenty years. The war Russia launched against Ukraine cannot settle into a stalemate. The costs in human lives have been too large. There will be a winner and a loser. Because there is no alternative.

So far, the Biden administration and its NATO allies have navigated this pretty well. Freedom and self-determination on one side. Imperialism and genocide on the other. But no one wanst American or NATO soldiers fighting in Ukraine. So it's a thread the needle situation. This is a problem without an easy solution.

Think the real fear is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine becomes an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand situation. The Law of Unintended Consequences looms large here..

The Spring offensive will collapse what is left of the Russian army.

I'd like to think so. I follow this pretty closely. But I am not so sanguine. Russian artillery is for real.

But Russian men seem to be fine with dying. They are like atheist ISIS. I don't mean this unkindly, but Russian men are genuine weirdos. Take a gander at the 18 + Ukraine war stuff on certain popular websites

It is horrible.

As I always tell the youngsters, don't fight crazy. But Russians are like the crackheads of the world. Bit of a problem

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.

Because Russia changed that eight-year status quo with its invasion of the rest of Ukraine. Russia had most of Donbas and Crimea. And the West had let it slide without significant consequences - all of them; Obama, Trump, Merkel, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trudeau. If Russia hadn't invaded and sought to take Kyiv, the capital, they'd be doing just fine. Some skirmishing in Donbas. Some minor sanctions. But otherwise Russia would still get its oil revenue, most of Donbas would more or less be incorporated into Russia, and they'd hold on to a nice warm weather port on the Black Sea for its navy and Russian vacationers. 2014 was a total win for Russia. If Russians were smart, they would have enjoyed their victory and that would be that.

Instead, Russians made a colossal mistake by invading the rest of Ukraine. And Ukrainians fought back, destroying its Spetsnaz, paratroopers, and much of the initial armor in the first weeks. Absolutely legendary. But one year later the war has settled into a kind of stalemate. And it's not remotely sustainable. So far, in one year, somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have died. The civilian casualties are unknowable until there's an accounting of what happened in Mariupol, but it's well into the thousands. For comparison, the US lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam over twenty years. The war Russia launched against Ukraine cannot settle into a stalemate. The costs in human lives have been too large. There will be a winner and a loser. Because there is no alternative.

So far, the Biden administration and its NATO allies have navigated this pretty well. Freedom and self-determination on one side. Imperialism and genocide on the other. But no one wanst American or NATO soldiers fighting in Ukraine. So it's a thread the needle situation. This is a problem without an easy solution.

Think the real fear is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine becomes an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand situation. The Law of Unintended Consequences looms large here..

The Spring offensive will collapse what is left of the Russian army.

I'd like to think so. I follow this pretty closely. But I am not so sanguine. Russian artillery is for real.

But Russian men seem to be fine with dying. They are like atheist ISIS. I don't mean this unkindly, but Russian men are genuine weirdos. Take a gander at the 18 + Ukraine war stuff on certain popular websites

It is horrible.

As I always tell the youngsters, don't fight crazy. But Russians are like the crackheads of the world. Bit of a problem

Slavic men and women as a whole are weirdos

Let’s be 100% honest

If you’ve spent any time out east, you know this regardless of their personal politics that it is a totally different civilization post church split.

this is why biden’s policy is the best. He’s optimally letting both sides grind each other down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.

Because Russia changed that eight-year status quo with its invasion of the rest of Ukraine. Russia had most of Donbas and Crimea. And the West had let it slide without significant consequences - all of them; Obama, Trump, Merkel, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trudeau. If Russia hadn't invaded and sought to take Kyiv, the capital, they'd be doing just fine. Some skirmishing in Donbas. Some minor sanctions. But otherwise Russia would still get its oil revenue, most of Donbas would more or less be incorporated into Russia, and they'd hold on to a nice warm weather port on the Black Sea for its navy and Russian vacationers. 2014 was a total win for Russia. If Russians were smart, they would have enjoyed their victory and that would be that.

Instead, Russians made a colossal mistake by invading the rest of Ukraine. And Ukrainians fought back, destroying its Spetsnaz, paratroopers, and much of the initial armor in the first weeks. Absolutely legendary. But one year later the war has settled into a kind of stalemate. And it's not remotely sustainable. So far, in one year, somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have died. The civilian casualties are unknowable until there's an accounting of what happened in Mariupol, but it's well into the thousands. For comparison, the US lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam over twenty years. The war Russia launched against Ukraine cannot settle into a stalemate. The costs in human lives have been too large. There will be a winner and a loser. Because there is no alternative.

So far, the Biden administration and its NATO allies have navigated this pretty well. Freedom and self-determination on one side. Imperialism and genocide on the other. But no one wanst American or NATO soldiers fighting in Ukraine. So it's a thread the needle situation. This is a problem without an easy solution.

Think the real fear is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine becomes an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand situation. The Law of Unintended Consequences looms large here..

The Spring offensive will collapse what is left of the Russian army.

I'd like to think so. I follow this pretty closely. But I am not so sanguine. Russian artillery is for real.

But Russian men seem to be fine with dying. They are like atheist ISIS. I don't mean this unkindly, but Russian men are genuine weirdos. Take a gander at the 18 + Ukraine war stuff on certain popular websites

It is horrible.

As I always tell the youngsters, don't fight crazy. But Russians are like the crackheads of the world. Bit of a problem

Slavic men and women as a whole are weirdos

Let’s be 100% honest

If you’ve spent any time out east, you know this regardless of their personal politics that it is a totally different civilization post church split.

this is why biden’s policy is the best. He’s optimally letting both sides grind each other down

Am half-Slavic. Used to live in that part of the world. Please don't equate Russians with Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, and Ukrainians. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Very much not the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.

Because Russia changed that eight-year status quo with its invasion of the rest of Ukraine. Russia had most of Donbas and Crimea. And the West had let it slide without significant consequences - all of them; Obama, Trump, Merkel, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trudeau. If Russia hadn't invaded and sought to take Kyiv, the capital, they'd be doing just fine. Some skirmishing in Donbas. Some minor sanctions. But otherwise Russia would still get its oil revenue, most of Donbas would more or less be incorporated into Russia, and they'd hold on to a nice warm weather port on the Black Sea for its navy and Russian vacationers. 2014 was a total win for Russia. If Russians were smart, they would have enjoyed their victory and that would be that.

Instead, Russians made a colossal mistake by invading the rest of Ukraine. And Ukrainians fought back, destroying its Spetsnaz, paratroopers, and much of the initial armor in the first weeks. Absolutely legendary. But one year later the war has settled into a kind of stalemate. And it's not remotely sustainable. So far, in one year, somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have died. The civilian casualties are unknowable until there's an accounting of what happened in Mariupol, but it's well into the thousands. For comparison, the US lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam over twenty years. The war Russia launched against Ukraine cannot settle into a stalemate. The costs in human lives have been too large. There will be a winner and a loser. Because there is no alternative.

So far, the Biden administration and its NATO allies have navigated this pretty well. Freedom and self-determination on one side. Imperialism and genocide on the other. But no one wanst American or NATO soldiers fighting in Ukraine. So it's a thread the needle situation. This is a problem without an easy solution.

Think the real fear is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine becomes an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand situation. The Law of Unintended Consequences looms large here..

The Spring offensive will collapse what is left of the Russian army.

I'd like to think so. I follow this pretty closely. But I am not so sanguine. Russian artillery is for real.

But Russian men seem to be fine with dying. They are like atheist ISIS. I don't mean this unkindly, but Russian men are genuine weirdos. Take a gander at the 18 + Ukraine war stuff on certain popular websites

It is horrible.

As I always tell the youngsters, don't fight crazy. But Russians are like the crackheads of the world. Bit of a problem

Slavic men and women as a whole are weirdos

Let’s be 100% honest

If you’ve spent any time out east, you know this regardless of their personal politics that it is a totally different civilization post church split.

this is why biden’s policy is the best. He’s optimally letting both sides grind each other down

Am half-Slavic. Used to live in that part of the world. Please don't equate Russians with Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, and Ukrainians. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Very much not the same.

DP but it’s funny. It’s what other Slavs like to think but they are all children of the communism. Some a little more than others but essentially the same. But whatever makes you feel better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For that matter, should Georgia look at retaking the areas that broke away in 2008.
These breakaways and a Russian invasion is why Biden is currently President, as Obama was planning on picking Tim Kaine.

The issue is those territories don’t really want to be part of Georgia. They could have been pacified, instead they were egged on and we have what we have now. But historically they don’t have much in common with Georgia.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.

That stalemate was that Obama told Ukraine to stand down and let Russia take Ukraine, there was no active war, but some smaller scale fighting in another part of Ukraine, where Russia pretended they weren't helping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people forget that Russia and Ukraine were in an effective stalemate for eight years prior to this escalation? I see no reason why this can't last the next decade or two.

Because Russia changed that eight-year status quo with its invasion of the rest of Ukraine. Russia had most of Donbas and Crimea. And the West had let it slide without significant consequences - all of them; Obama, Trump, Merkel, Macron, Boris Johnson, Trudeau. If Russia hadn't invaded and sought to take Kyiv, the capital, they'd be doing just fine. Some skirmishing in Donbas. Some minor sanctions. But otherwise Russia would still get its oil revenue, most of Donbas would more or less be incorporated into Russia, and they'd hold on to a nice warm weather port on the Black Sea for its navy and Russian vacationers. 2014 was a total win for Russia. If Russians were smart, they would have enjoyed their victory and that would be that.

Instead, Russians made a colossal mistake by invading the rest of Ukraine. And Ukrainians fought back, destroying its Spetsnaz, paratroopers, and much of the initial armor in the first weeks. Absolutely legendary. But one year later the war has settled into a kind of stalemate. And it's not remotely sustainable. So far, in one year, somewhere between 250,000 and 400,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers have died. The civilian casualties are unknowable until there's an accounting of what happened in Mariupol, but it's well into the thousands. For comparison, the US lost 58,000 soldiers in Vietnam over twenty years. The war Russia launched against Ukraine cannot settle into a stalemate. The costs in human lives have been too large. There will be a winner and a loser. Because there is no alternative.

So far, the Biden administration and its NATO allies have navigated this pretty well. Freedom and self-determination on one side. Imperialism and genocide on the other. But no one wanst American or NATO soldiers fighting in Ukraine. So it's a thread the needle situation. This is a problem without an easy solution.

Think the real fear is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine becomes an assassination of Archduke Ferdinand situation. The Law of Unintended Consequences looms large here..

The Spring offensive will collapse what is left of the Russian army.

I'd like to think so. I follow this pretty closely. But I am not so sanguine. Russian artillery is for real.

But Russian men seem to be fine with dying. They are like atheist ISIS. I don't mean this unkindly, but Russian men are genuine weirdos. Take a gander at the 18 + Ukraine war stuff on certain popular websites

It is horrible.

As I always tell the youngsters, don't fight crazy. But Russians are like the crackheads of the world. Bit of a problem

Slavic men and women as a whole are weirdos

Let’s be 100% honest

If you’ve spent any time out east, you know this regardless of their personal politics that it is a totally different civilization post church split.

this is why biden’s policy is the best. He’s optimally letting both sides grind each other down

Am half-Slavic. Used to live in that part of the world. Please don't equate Russians with Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, and Ukrainians. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Very much not the same.

DP but it’s funny. It’s what other Slavs like to think but they are all children of the communism. Some a little more than others but essentially the same. But whatever makes you feel better

Fair enough. Communism was a cancerous distortion for every Eastern and Central European country. But that was thirty years ago. Always have to ask - who are the baddies today? There are solid reason why Poles and Czechs don't care for Russia. And there really isn't any cultural affinity - Austro-Hungarian Empire, Catholicism, 1968, Solidarity etc etc. Trust me, no one hates Russians more than the people who have been invaded by Russians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is another indication that Russia has lost.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-petersburg-bomb-cafe-military-blogger-vladlen-tatarsky/

An explosion tore through a cafe in Russia's second-largest city Sunday, killing a well-known military blogger and strident supporter of President Vladimir Putin's war against Ukraine. Officials announced the arrest of a Russian woman Monday in connection with the blast, claiming she carried a bust of the blogger into the cafe that was rigged as a bomb.

Russian officials said Vladlen Tatarsky was killed as he led a discussion at the cafe on the bank of the Neva River in the historic heart of St. Petersburg. Some 30 people were wounded in the blast, Russia's Health Ministry reported.

Ukraine can go asymmetric. It will be terrorism back by the resources of a state. Bet they all ready have an operations planned.

I guess we're ok with state sponsored terrorism as long as its our state sponsored terrorism?

Some people on here support Russian terrorism and war crimes. I am sure they will support the Ukrainians doing the same?

Why don't we treat all countries that commit war crimes as international pariahs? Seems more reasonable than sanctioning one and dumping billions of dollars on another.

Personally I'd rather not have my tax dollars used to blow up journalists.