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Anonymous
DP It’s amazingly generous and kind. When you have no family you need to create your own. Good on that professor. |
Anonymous
Sure. But if they really are seizures, all it takes is for something real to show up on the EEG to get the code. It would be in the medical record -- the discoverable medical record, if it is brought up in court. No seizure code = pseudoseizures. Fake ones. You don't even need a syndrome diagnosis to code it -- just whatever is on the EEG, e.g., "temporal lobe seizures." |
Anonymous
I do think Penn will ultimately settle and have to pay Mackenzie a bunch of money (and release her masters and also clear her publicly). But I don't think they chose to file a response just to meet a deadline. The reason the response so dramatically paints Mackenzie as some kind of master criminal (a laughable suggestion) is because it strengthens their negotiating position. They want to use the media and their institutional gravitas to make Mackenzie look as bad as possible, so that she feels forced to settle for less. I'm glad Mackenzie if fighting back by getting her own story out. But there's a lot more on the line for Penn than just avoiding a big payout. It's also that they know they screwed up almost every step of the way here. It's going to come out, one way or another, that the misrepresentative press about Mackenzie's Rhodes was planted not by Mackenzie, but by Penn. They are the ones who wanted her painted as a kid who had escaped poverty and was rescued by a Penn education (and their largesse) to become a Rhodes scholar. She didn't sell anyone that line -- Penn did. And when it turned out not to be true, they knew they'd been caught trying to do exactly what Mackenzie is now accused of doing -- overstating a hard luck story in order to curry favor by people in power. They did this, not Mackenzie (she should NOT have gone along with it, but there are questions as to how she would have stopped it once Penn had gotten the early press out there claiming she'd grown up poor -- at that point, no matter what she does makes her look bad). Anyway, this will come out in the pleadings or at trial if it makes it that far, and Penn is working very hard to make themselves look like innocent victims before it does so that no one notices -- this was their con! |
Anonymous
If Penn had a lick of sense they'd want this wrapped up as quickly as possible, but if they had a lick of sense they wouldn't have done this in the first place. |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
I don’t see evidence that Fierceton is using the privilege she undoubtedly benefits from to help others, unless you are counting her involvement in the other lawsuit (which is something). As for why I raise the issue of systemic racism here, I raise these issues all the time. If you think that it’s unusual to raise issues of white privilege and systemic racism when you see it, that’s on you. But it is not unusual for me to raise the issue and it is glaring here. Her privilege is relevant here because this thread and this situation would not exist if she wasn’t a pretty young white woman. It is frustrating that Fierceton and her supporters don’t see that, and frankly I think it is why there is so much (inappropriate) fury towards Fierceton. Do I excuse the behavior? No. The posters calling her vicious names are out of line. But I also think that people who are coming here to talk about how vile anyone who questions Fierceton’s narrative at all here are not acting well either. You can’t just pretend away that a Black man (who would never have been called a “kid”) with the same profile would have been a lot more likely to have been arrested for fraud with the same factual situation. You can’t just shrug and say oh, people who are lashing out at Fierceton are just awful people when what a lot of them are probably lashing out at is less Fierceton herself and more the fact that she didn’t face jail, or criminal charges, or the other realities that other students would have faced. You want compassion for Fierceton as an abuse victim (and I agree she deserves compassion) but you also are castigating anyone who raises any questions at all about what happened. Why do you demand that Fierceton never face a question about her credibility? And be unquestionably believed so strongly? Why does it so deeply upset you to see people even ask a question about what happened, to the point where you write long paragraphs (ok, me too) about the act of questioning? You expressed horror at the entire thread, at the existence of any questions at all, not just at the people calling Fierceton names. And there are legitimate questions here about Penn and Fierceton; it’s (to me) a display of privilege in action that people react with fury about people even trying to figure out what happened. Also, regarding the professors, I don’t want to speak for anyone but I think the point is that they seem to have acted inappropriately and it does put their statements into question as a result. That doesn’t mean Fierceton was wrong to take the hand that they reached out, but it does call their judgment into question. Are you really okay with how they acted here? You think it is fine for a professor to invite a known abuse victim who is their student into their home during a pandemic, for extended periods of time, with no efforts made to find other, more appropriate housing? It is bad judgment and it does make me question their judgment in general. |
Anonymous
Sorry, but I’m not Mackenzie. Understandably all of the focus is on the student. But there are 2 players here. Regardless if Mackenzie’s culpability, Penn’s handling of this case should be scrutinized. No one’s doing that. So many times the Penn legal brief is quoted as if it’s a legitimate source of facts in this case. It isn’t. They were very selective. |
Anonymous
I am a PP with a psycho doctor mother. What this sounds like to me is that crazy mom had a one on one with one of the people really in charge at Penn and really sold them. Told a long and elaborate story about her troubled daughter and sent a bunch of pictures and cried about their estrangement. And fully 100000000% convinced then of her version. This person has likely never even met McKenzie. Probably the person who interviewed her. That person was powerful and influential and utterly convinced of that narrative and pushed the university to act swiftly and was likely enraged on behalf of “deserving” kids and so really went to the mats for this. They are likely extremely respected and are probably a very good person, but narcissists can be extraordinarily convincing, especially blond white Doctor narcissists. That person drove a lot of the narrative and decision making at penn brass. They are now likely uncovering how that happened and how everyone just started doubling down to protect the University until it got way too big to control. And now they are closing ranks. |
Anonymous
| Someone earlier said she “plagiarized her life.” Spot on. This is Elizabeth Holmes 2.0. A sick puppy. |
Anonymous
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Speaking of simple questions, I missed the answer to this: was the contemporaneous journal a handwritten thing that is just now being discussed in mass media, or was it an electronic journal with timestamp that can be traced back?
Thanks in advance. PS: Don't think she is a demon. Do have a question about this evidence being presented. |
Anonymous
I really hope there will be some personal consequences to the professors and administration leading this witch hunt. I hope their careers are ruined just like they tried to do to this student. |
Anonymous
Please read the New Yorker article linked on the first post. |
Anonymous
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Safe bet her and her “team” are on this thread. Their desperate game plan seems to be doubling down on the lies, distortions, finger pointing, and gas light everyone. Why? Because of optics. She’s a cute white woman who looks younger than age 25 and she’s been getting away with this serial liar coquette routine for a decade. If this was an ugly and scary looking poor white boy from a trailer park or poor Black or Hispanic boy from a St Louis ghetto they’d have zero tenured faculty on their side and would be facing several felony counts for fraud and theft.
White privilege personified. |
Anonymous
EEGs don't always capture abnormalities for people with epilepsy. I have multiple family members with epilepsy - each with a different type. One who took years to get diagnosed because the "seizure-like episodes" didn't look like seizures. You can have many "seizure-like episodes", including clusters, and not get diagnosed until much later. Another family member with epilepsy has never had an abnormal EEG. Seems like you're looking for ways to tear her apart based on your own (erroneous) speculation. Why is that? |
Anonymous
Of course not. And of course she could easily just write the thing years after. She clearly has a vivid imagination and nothing but time on her hands — it’s not like she knows what a job is. Allergic to work. Like every other rich spoiled princess. |