BOE/MCPS is a mess

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

+1 is Steve Austin a Republican? I know he is a racist and a homophobe so not surprised, but BOE elections are nonpartisan, so his party affiliation was not on the ballot and would not have been apparent to voters.

It wouldn't have been if there hadn't been a smear campaign against him run by the Washington Post and east county progressives.

lol you vastly overestimate how much people read about candidates before voting. Bottom line is there was no R next to his name. But you know what, if you don't believe me, you should run for BOE, since you think you know what voters want. I would love that. Use the same messaging you have used here.

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

+1 is Steve Austin a Republican? I know he is a racist and a homophobe so not surprised, but BOE elections are nonpartisan, so his party affiliation was not on the ballot and would not have been apparent to voters.

It wouldn't have been an issue but there was a smear campaign against him run by the Washington Post and east county progressives.

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

+1 is Steve Austin a Republican? I know he is a racist and a homophobe so not surprised, but BOE elections are nonpartisan, so his party affiliation was not on the ballot and would not have been apparent to voters.

It wouldn't have been an issue but there was a smear campaign against him run by the Washington Post and east county progressives.

Honey Steve Austin smeared himself by being himself.

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Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

And the source of your information is...?

Living in one of the neighborhoods that were reassigned and having seen neighbors and friends moving or contemplating a move or sending their kids to private; and knowing a bunch of families in the other neighborhoods that are experiencing the same thing. And the fact that Neelsville enrollment is down has been communicated multiple times by the Neelsville principal.

Ah, that well-known reliable source of data: These People I Know.

Not only is the PP's info unreliable, it's incorrect. In the boundary study, the projected 2021-22 enrollment with Neelsville's new boundary was 757. Official 2021-22 enrollment for Neelsville is 792.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/SVHS_SuptRecOptionTableUpdated.pdf

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2021/OfficialEnrollment_2022.pdf

Feel free to call the Neelsville principal and ask her. You're comparing this past September's enrollment numbers to a projected number from a document developed by the very reliable (not) MCPS central office in 2019. Give her a ring.

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Again, thank you for reenforcing my point. WXY was specifically hired to do outreach to obtain the opinions of people they thought would support busing. They still couldn't find anyone. So either WXY is terrible at their job or no one supports busing or, most likely, both.

The contract with WXY is a public document. Please cite that clause in the contract that states that.

States what?

Please cite the clause in the contract with WXY that supports the statement "WXY was specifically hired to do outreach to obtain the opinions of people they thought would support busing."

I don't have it in front of me. But you're the one saying they were hired to do outreach, not me.

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I mean, the point that PP was trying and failing to make is that there wants a mass Exodus due to busing and there was. Property values also fell 15% and never recovered. That's just getting moved to RM which is still a good school. Imagine if that neighborhood had been bused to Rockville or Wheaton. Those houses would be worth 30% less.

Property values in Horizon Hill are still 15% lower than they were in 1987? Oh wow.

15% lower than the properties across the street that are assigned to Wootton. Try to keep up.

I bet the people who moved in after 1987 (i.e. likely almost everyone in Horizon Hill) have appreciated that.

Right. But what they don't appreciate is not attending the high school located (checks map) 300 yards from their neighborhood. #walkerswillremainwalkers #notheywont #busing

Are you really using a 1987 boundary change in an attempt to claim that the 2018 policy revision will lead to walkers being bussed?

I'm using a 1987 boundary change to show how busing negatively effects neighborhoods. And that was before the BOE altered the boundary policy to make diversity the top factor. Just imagine how much MORE busing there is going to be in future boundary studies.

Or, instead of imagining things, we could take a look at the four actual boundary studies conducted under the revised policy, and see that the changes made were reasonable and that diversity was not in fact "the top factor."

Of course it was. It's just that the 4 studies were so small that not much race-shuffling could take place except for the upcountry study where a lot of kids were buaed.

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

+1 is Steve Austin a Republican? I know he is a racist and a homophobe so not surprised, but BOE elections are nonpartisan, so his party affiliation was not on the ballot and would not have been apparent to voters.

Racist AND a homophobe? Wow. With an accusation like that I assume you can show us a link or screen shot backing that up.

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Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment. Many families have moved, gotten COSAs, or gone private. Some have stayed put but are waiting to see what the first year back at the building is like before making a decision on what to do. Of course, only families with the means have the ability to do this so it kind of defeats the purpose of reassigning schools for rebalancing demographics.

And the source of your information is...?

Living in one of the neighborhoods that were reassigned and having seen neighbors and friends moving or contemplating a move or sending their kids to private; and knowing a bunch of families in the other neighborhoods that are experiencing the same thing. And the fact that Neelsville enrollment is down has been communicated multiple times by the Neelsville principal.

Ah, that well-known reliable source of data: These People I Know.

Not only is the PP's info unreliable, it's incorrect. In the boundary study, the projected 2021-22 enrollment with Neelsville's new boundary was 757. Official 2021-22 enrollment for Neelsville is 792.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/SVHS_SuptRecOptionTableUpdated.pdf

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2021/OfficialEnrollment_2022.pdf

Feel free to call the Neelsville principal and ask her. You're comparing this past September's enrollment numbers to a projected number from a document developed by the very reliable (not) MCPS central office in 2019. Give her a ring.

Well, yes, because I was responding to your claim above, which was: "Enrollment at Neelsville MS is actually down from what they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment."

What they projected as a result of the boundary reassignment: 757

Most recent official enrollment: 792

[Anonymous]

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Again, thank you for reenforcing my point. WXY was specifically hired to do outreach to obtain the opinions of people they thought would support busing. They still couldn't find anyone. So either WXY is terrible at their job or no one supports busing or, most likely, both.

The contract with WXY is a public document. Please cite that clause in the contract that states that.

States what?

Please cite the clause in the contract with WXY that supports the statement "WXY was specifically hired to do outreach to obtain the opinions of people they thought would support busing."

Honest question. How do you differentiate what you want from busing? They seems nearly identical to me.

Honest answer: You don't have any idea what I want.

Sure I do. You're said it many times. You want busing....er..sorry...you want schools to have an ideal mix of races and want to accomplish that by hauling kids to schools far from home because it makes you feel morally superior to anyone who doesn't want busing...er...you know what I mean.

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

+1 is Steve Austin a Republican? I know he is a racist and a homophobe so not surprised, but BOE elections are nonpartisan, so his party affiliation was not on the ballot and would not have been apparent to voters.

It wouldn't have been if there hadn't been a smear campaign against him run by the Washington Post and east county progressives.

lol you vastly overestimate how much people read about candidates before voting. Bottom line is there was no R next to his name. But you know what, if you don't believe me, you should run for BOE, since you think you know what voters want. I would love that. Use the same messaging you have used here.

My kids graduate is a couple years. So I'm looking forward to watching MCPS collapse. But I will continue to spread the truth about the current BOE and their busing plan.

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

+1 is Steve Austin a Republican? I know he is a racist and a homophobe so not surprised, but BOE elections are nonpartisan, so his party affiliation was not on the ballot and would not have been apparent to voters.

It wouldn't have been if there hadn't been a smear campaign against him run by the Washington Post and east county progressives.

lol you vastly overestimate how much people read about candidates before voting. Bottom line is there was no R next to his name. But you know what, if you don't believe me, you should run for BOE, since you think you know what voters want. I would love that. Use the same messaging you have used here.

My kids graduate is a couple years. So I'm looking forward to watching MCPS collapse. But I will continue to spread the truth about the current BOE and their busing plan.

Clearly you are very committed to the cause lol

[Anonymous]

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

+1 is Steve Austin a Republican? I know he is a racist and a homophobe so not surprised, but BOE elections are nonpartisan, so his party affiliation was not on the ballot and would not have been apparent to voters.

Racist AND a homophobe? Wow. With an accusation like that I assume you can show us a link or screen shot backing that up.

Please. Only a homophobe would associate with John Garza. If you're okay with that then you're a homophobe too.

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I mean, the point that PP was trying and failing to make is that there wants a mass Exodus due to busing and there was. Property values also fell 15% and never recovered. That's just getting moved to RM which is still a good school. Imagine if that neighborhood had been bused to Rockville or Wheaton. Those houses would be worth 30% less.

Property values in Horizon Hill are still 15% lower than they were in 1987? Oh wow.

15% lower than the properties across the street that are assigned to Wootton. Try to keep up.

I bet the people who moved in after 1987 (i.e. likely almost everyone in Horizon Hill) have appreciated that.

Right. But what they don't appreciate is not attending the high school located (checks map) 300 yards from their neighborhood. #walkerswillremainwalkers #notheywont #busing

Are you really using a 1987 boundary change in an attempt to claim that the 2018 policy revision will lead to walkers being bussed?

I'm using a 1987 boundary change to show how busing negatively effects neighborhoods. And that was before the BOE altered the boundary policy to make diversity the top factor. Just imagine how much MORE busing there is going to be in future boundary studies.

Or, instead of imagining things, we could take a look at the four actual boundary studies conducted under the revised policy, and see that the changes made were reasonable and that diversity was not in fact "the top factor."

Of course it was. It's just that the 4 studies were so small that not much race-shuffling could take place except for the upcountry study where a lot of kids were buaed.

Thank you for finally admitting that the revised language in the policy is, in reality, a relatively minor change, and that most boundary studies will result, in your words, in "not much race-shuffling." And, again, in reality, we know that the upcounty study was an example of the superintendent rejecting boundaries that could have made diversity the top factor to the detriment of the other factors and supporting boundaries that advanced multiple factors, one of which is, and has been, diversity.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/SVHS_SupplementA.pdf

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Isn't that the same as the lived experience you wokis are always trying to base policy decisions on? Or does that only apply to black people?

I would spell it woke-ies, actually. Or maybe wokies, but that looks too much like wookiees.

In any case, with people like you on his side, it's not surprising that Steve Austin lost big in 2018.

Steven Austin lost because he was so new to MoCo he didn't know that a Republican can't win here. The next proximity-first candidate will be a Dem.

Steve Austin lost because the voters didn't want to buy what he was trying to sell. Especially with people trying to sell it like you're doing here!

The boundary analysis says you're wrong. 90% of the county said they eschew diversity in favor of proximity.

Sigh. 90% of a small, self-selected number of respondents.

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I feel my kids are getting a much better education from MCPS today than I got 30 years ago.