Lockdown at Blair?

[Anonymous]

Seems like a short kid - sophomore - was being bullied because he was short. And decided to get back by stabbing someone with a knife? That's the story I am hearing.

[Anonymous]

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Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

It depends on the SRO and security guards. At my child's MS, the security guards are not warm and friendly nor do I see them interacting with the kids a lot but they do their jobs very well. They heavily monitor everything and you see their presence. I don't care if they are SRO's or security guards or what ever you call them but we need more, not less security.

[Anonymous]

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We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

No, the security guards are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

? They do. That doesn't mean SROs can't do that, too. And they have.

Also, not sure you read the other thread about how teachers are burnt out, and there may be mass resignations coming. They already have to play the therapist role in addition to teaching. Why should they also provide security and breakup fights? Teachers and security guards don't have the same deterent factors that cops do. That's why the Principals want SROs; that's why the Blair Principal asked the cops to stay at Blair.

A lot of the teachers are females, and some are quite petite. I'm a petite female. No way in hell am I gonna get in the middle of two large HS kids in a fight or provide any kind of security.

So you don’t think petite women should become cops. Have you met an SRO, many are small women and many are just fat asses. Also psychologist work and psych wards and they know how to handle a fight. Hire trained psychologists not burnt out cops.

Teachers of burned out because they are required to work too many hours, cover staff shortages without extra pay, and take work home. They are not burnt out because of a few fights.

As a woman who has worked in mental health, we are trained to call the police, not get between a physical fight or violent situation. A psychologist in a psych ward does not get involved with that either and they have security there to handle those things

Teachers in high schools have 15-+ students, no text books, no expectations or consequences for kids, lots of meetings, emails, grading, kids who are academically struggling, etc.

[Anonymous]

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We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

No, the security guards are.

The security guard model is not working in HS. Way to many incidents this year. They need to get serious. We need adult supervision in locker rooms and bathrooms. Camera's in all areas from hallways to classrooms to closets. We need staff monitoring every inch of the building inside and out. We need consequences for bad behavior. Schools need to engage parents vs. shut them out (our ES wouldn't let parents volunteer and rarely returned emails or calls). This is a partnership and one cannot do it alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

No, the security guards are.

The security guard model is not working in HS. Way to many incidents this year. They need to get serious. We need adult supervision in locker rooms and bathrooms. Camera's in all areas from hallways to classrooms to closets. We need staff monitoring every inch of the building inside and out. We need consequences for bad behavior. Schools need to engage parents vs. shut them out (our ES wouldn't let parents volunteer and rarely returned emails or calls). This is a partnership and one cannot do it alone.

This and plenty of teachers and staff are overwhelmed. They do not want nor need to take on this additional responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

nor should they. We are asking way too much of teachers. I had one math teach in HS who was a tiny Asian lady. No way would she be able to stop a fight, nor should she. They should be focusing on teaching, not stopping fights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

No, the security guards are.

The security guard model is not working in HS. Way to many incidents this year. They need to get serious. We need adult supervision in locker rooms and bathrooms. Camera's in all areas from hallways to classrooms to closets. We need staff monitoring every inch of the building inside and out. We need consequences for bad behavior. Schools need to engage parents vs. shut them out (our ES wouldn't let parents volunteer and rarely returned emails or calls). This is a partnership and one cannot do it alone.

This and plenty of teachers and staff are overwhelmed. They do not want nor need to take on this additional responsibility.

We don't have enough staff in schools to take this on. But, with the current pay and covid, most aren't going to want to do these jobs as there are so many easier better paying jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

nor should they. We are asking way too much of teachers. I had one math teach in HS who was a tiny Asian lady. No way would she be able to stop a fight, nor should she. They should be focusing on teaching, not stopping fights.

This is just hilarious. You all say you want police to be role models in schools. I say why? You say because they need to break up fights. Okay, that's not what most people think of when they think about role models.

Let me break it down for you:

1. MCPS staff, who have the education and training to work with children and youth, can serve as ROLE MODELS
2. Security guards can BREAK UP FIGHTS
3. Police can respond to crimes that occur (thankfully, MCPS staff also have PHONES).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a short kid - sophomore - was being bullied because he was short. And decided to get back by stabbing someone with a knife? That's the story I am hearing.

Yeah ok. We believe you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

? They do. That doesn't mean SROs can't do that, too. And they have.

Also, not sure you read the other thread about how teachers are burnt out, and there may be mass resignations coming. They already have to play the therapist role in addition to teaching. Why should they also provide security and breakup fights? Teachers and security guards don't have the same deterent factors that cops do. That's why the Principals want SROs; that's why the Blair Principal asked the cops to stay at Blair.

A lot of the teachers are females, and some are quite petite. I'm a petite female. No way in hell am I gonna get in the middle of two large HS kids in a fight or provide any kind of security.

So you don’t think petite women should become cops. Have you met an SRO, many are small women and many are just fat asses. Also psychologist work and psych wards and they know how to handle a fight. Hire trained psychologists not burnt out cops.

Teachers of burned out because they are required to work too many hours, cover staff shortages without extra pay, and take work home. They are not burnt out because of a few fights.

As a woman who has worked in mental health, we are trained to call the police, not get between a physical fight or violent situation. A psychologist in a psych ward does not get involved with that either and they have security there to handle those things

Teachers in high schools have 15-+ students, no text books, no expectations or consequences for kids, lots of meetings, emails, grading, kids who are academically struggling, etc.

15 students? What school? I'll pack my bags now. We have 30 minimum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

? They do. That doesn't mean SROs can't do that, too. And they have.

Also, not sure you read the other thread about how teachers are burnt out, and there may be mass resignations coming. They already have to play the therapist role in addition to teaching. Why should they also provide security and breakup fights? Teachers and security guards don't have the same deterent factors that cops do. That's why the Principals want SROs; that's why the Blair Principal asked the cops to stay at Blair.

A lot of the teachers are females, and some are quite petite. I'm a petite female. No way in hell am I gonna get in the middle of two large HS kids in a fight or provide any kind of security.

So you don’t think petite women should become cops. Have you met an SRO, many are small women and many are just fat asses. Also psychologist work and psych wards and they know how to handle a fight. Hire trained psychologists not burnt out cops.

Teachers of burned out because they are required to work too many hours, cover staff shortages without extra pay, and take work home. They are not burnt out because of a few fights.

As a woman who has worked in mental health, we are trained to call the police, not get between a physical fight or violent situation. A psychologist in a psych ward does not get involved with that either and they have security there to handle those things

Teachers in high schools have 15-+ students, no text books, no expectations or consequences for kids, lots of meetings, emails, grading, kids who are academically struggling, etc.

15 students? What school? I'll pack my bags now. We have 30 minimum

150+ Typo. Our classes have 35 kids or so in them. 30 would be an improvement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

nor should they. We are asking way too much of teachers. I had one math teach in HS who was a tiny Asian lady. No way would she be able to stop a fight, nor should she. They should be focusing on teaching, not stopping fights.

This is just hilarious. You all say you want police to be role models in schools. I say why? You say because they need to break up fights. Okay, that's not what most people think of when they think about role models.

Let me break it down for you:

1. MCPS staff, who have the education and training to work with children and youth, can serve as ROLE MODELS
2. Security guards can BREAK UP FIGHTS
3. Police can respond to crimes that occur (thankfully, MCPS staff also have PHONES).

And, how is that model you are saying is working for us now? Multiple incidents this year and its only early November. What will it take for MCPS to take things seriously? Someone dying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Smug or not, he’s correct. I had a kid at Blair (Class of 11) with SROs and there was a stabbing. I believe in the SAC. I have a kid there now (Class of 24). Honestly, I feel my son is safer without the SROs. And I’m the sister of a LEO.

? you have two kids one, who was in class of '11 and another class of '24? That's a wide age span.

How is your son safer without an SRO?

I feel the opposite. I would feel safer with an SRO in my son's school, class of 2023. Also, I went to a really rough HS, and it would've been better to have an SRO than security guards. SROs are more of a deterrent than security guards. SROs also engage with students, and develope relationships with them, become role models.

Why do armed police officers need to be role models? Can teachers, para educators, counselors, administratirs and support staff not be role models and develop relationships with students??

We've had that this year and clearly its not working. The SRO's are there for violence. A teacher, para, admin is not going to step into a fight.

nor should they. We are asking way too much of teachers. I had one math teach in HS who was a tiny Asian lady. No way would she be able to stop a fight, nor should she. They should be focusing on teaching, not stopping fights.

This is just hilarious. You all say you want police to be role models in schools. I say why? You say because they need to break up fights. Okay, that's not what most people think of when they think about role models.

Let me break it down for you:

1. MCPS staff, who have the education and training to work with children and youth, can serve as ROLE MODELS
2. Security guards can BREAK UP FIGHTS
3. Police can respond to crimes that occur (thankfully, MCPS staff also have PHONES).

And, how is that model you are saying is working for us now? Multiple incidents this year and its only early November. What will it take for MCPS to take things seriously? Someone dying?

I think the model of closing school buildings for 18 months worked terribly and has had lasting impacts. The police arrived within 3 minutes at Blair, how much faster would an SRO stationed in the building have arrived in the parking lot?