2015 study on school punishment: black students get criminalized, whites get medicated & therapy

[Anonymous]

"Black students are more likely to be punished with suspensions, expulsions or referrals to law enforcement, a phenomenon that helps funnel kids into the criminal justice system. Meanwhile, white kids are more likely to be pushed into special education services or receive medical and psychological treatment for their perceived misbehaviors, according to a study released last week in the journal Sociology of Education."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/racial-disparities-american-schools_55b67572e4b0074ba5a576c1

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-07/ps-swh072215.php

[Anonymous]

direct link to SES which is then a link to housing prices which is then a direct link to school "quality"

DC/PG is a disaster for mental health/special education Montgomery County and Fairfax are top notch

Then look at the demographics of the school systems

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:direct link to SES which is then a link to housing prices which is then a direct link to school "quality"

DC/PG is a disaster for mental health/special education Montgomery County and Fairfax are top notch

Then look at the demographics of the school systems

This! Totally agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:direct link to SES which is then a link to housing prices which is then a direct link to school "quality"

DC/PG is a disaster for mental health/special education Montgomery County and Fairfax are top notch

Then look at the demographics of the school systems

It will be interesting to see what happens as the demographics of these districts changes. DC is getting whiter, MoCo is getting browner. One thing I really like about our MoCo school is that it is majority minority, with minority administrators and counselors/teachers. I feel like this changes the dynamic of how Black/Brown boys are treated, because folks in authority are aware of the trends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:direct link to SES which is then a link to housing prices which is then a direct link to school "quality"

DC/PG is a disaster for mental health/special education Montgomery County and Fairfax are top notch

Then look at the demographics of the school systems

HUH!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:direct link to SES which is then a link to housing prices which is then a direct link to school "quality"

DC/PG is a disaster for mental health/special education Montgomery County and Fairfax are top notch

Then look at the demographics of the school systems

Can add another specific example: the poor school my nephew attended repeatedly suspended for behavior associated with Autism, despite an IEP. In his newer and higher SES school, the school has an IEP in place that provides therapy for the behavior associated with his Autism that he was being suspended for at the previous school. It is insane! What has happened to our society? Social mobility is dead!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:direct link to SES which is then a link to housing prices which is then a direct link to school "quality"

DC/PG is a disaster for mental health/special education Montgomery County and Fairfax are top notch

Then look at the demographics of the school systems

It will be interesting to see what happens as the demographics of these districts changes. DC is getting whiter, MoCo is getting browner. One thing I really like about our MoCo school is that it is majority minority, with minority administrators and counselors/teachers. I feel like this changes the dynamic of how Black/Brown boys are treated, because folks in authority are aware of the trends.

Believe it or not, in inner cities, some of the worst offenders of black criminalization in schools are from minority run schools. Its more of a systemic/policy issue than the racial makeup of school leadership.

[Anonymous]

All of the above PLUS parent choices and level of involvement. Everyone blames schools, but the school is only half of the child's life (and half the problem). If the parent isn't advocating for their child, pushing for help and services, providing support at home, and seeking out therapies, the school can only do so much.

[Anonymous]

I didn't need a study to know this. Just look at that Affluenza kid. If that kid was brown/black, no way would he have gotten off that lightly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of the above PLUS parent choices and level of involvement. Everyone blames schools, but the school is only half of the child's life (and half the problem). If the parent isn't advocating for their child, pushing for help and services, providing support at home, and seeking out therapies, the school can only do so much.

Sorry, this isn't always the case. I gave the example of the autistic boy above. My sister was in a poor area due to her job. While she isn't poor, all around her were. The school was totally responsible for the failure! They dislike allocating extremely limited resources to address problems properly. Behavioral problems take money to solve! If parents cannot control behavior than therapy is required....which costs $$$.

Parents should not have to advocate that much! Poor people don't have the luxury to continuously advocate for their children. They often have inflexible work schedules.

[Anonymous]

OP here

I have actually seen this in action growing up. I grew up in a very diverse neighborhood in Queens, NY. My elementary school was about 20/40/40 asian/white/black & hispanic. In 5th grade, I got into an argument with a black kid from a different class. I started it by making fun of his sister, who I actually had a crush on (I'm Irish). We ended up fighting during lunch one day. I was sent home and was allowed to come back the next day. They sent a letter to my parents and essentially gave me a warning. The black kid, who was really more of a quiet guy who kept to himself and who was very smart since he was in the gifted program (like me), got expelled. This was during the middle of the school year.

Later on in HS, I saw the kid again on an opposing basketball team. He remembered me and we actually became friends. But the expulsion had a severe impact on him. After being expelled, he ended up going to an elementary school primarily made up of "troubled youths." No more gifted program. He got into more trouble as he fell in with the wrong crowd. Despite this, according to him at the time, he scored well enough on city-wide HS entrance exams to get into some of the better HSs in NYC ( I didn't), but they would not accept him because of his prior school record. He ended up going to one of the worst HSs in the city (which was his zone school unfortunately). JR year he was busted with weed at his school and they arrested him for possession. He did 6 months time.

I am facebook friends with him now, but from what I can tell, 10 years out of HS, he has multiple kids and doesn't seem to have a stable job. Hes a grown man and made his choices. But still, I wonder sometimes what would have happened if he never got suspended. I have no idea how that impacts a child. Especially while their brains are still developing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here

I have actually seen this in action growing up. I grew up in a very diverse neighborhood in Queens, NY. My elementary school was about 20/40/40 asian/white/black & hispanic. In 5th grade, I got into an argument with a black kid from a different class. I started it by making fun of his sister, who I actually had a crush on (I'm Irish). We ended up fighting during lunch one day. I was sent home and was allowed to come back the next day. They sent a letter to my parents and essentially gave me a warning. The black kid, who was really more of a quiet guy who kept to himself and who was very smart since he was in the gifted program (like me), got expelled. This was during the middle of the school year.

Later on in HS, I saw the kid again on an opposing basketball team. He remembered me and we actually became friends. But the expulsion had a severe impact on him. After being expelled, he ended up going to an elementary school primarily made up of "troubled youths." No more gifted program. He got into more trouble as he fell in with the wrong crowd. Despite this, according to him at the time, he scored well enough on city-wide HS entrance exams to get into some of the better HSs in NYC ( I didn't), but they would not accept him because of his prior school record. He ended up going to one of the worst HSs in the city (which was his zone school unfortunately). JR year he was busted with weed at his school and they arrested him for possession. He did 6 months time.

I am facebook friends with him now, but from what I can tell, 10 years out of HS, he has multiple kids and doesn't seem to have a stable job. Hes a grown man and made his choices. But still, I wonder sometimes what would have happened if he never got suspended. I have no idea how that impacts a child. Especially while their brains are still developing.

Again, white privilege at work. This story is so sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the above PLUS parent choices and level of involvement. Everyone blames schools, but the school is only half of the child's life (and half the problem). If the parent isn't advocating for their child, pushing for help and services, providing support at home, and seeking out therapies, the school can only do so much.

Sorry, this isn't always the case. I gave the example of the autistic boy above. My sister was in a poor area due to her job. While she isn't poor, all around her were. The school was totally responsible for the failure! They dislike allocating extremely limited resources to address problems properly. Behavioral problems take money to solve! If parents cannot control behavior than therapy is required....which costs $$$.

Parents should not have to advocate that much! Poor people don't have the luxury to continuously advocate for their children. They often have inflexible work schedules.

Sorry, but it sounds like that was exactly the case. Your sister wasn't happy with the school's support, so she moved her child.

Furthermore, advocating for your child is not "a luxury", it's your job as a parent. You can't do that or don't want to do that, don't have children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the above PLUS parent choices and level of involvement. Everyone blames schools, but the school is only half of the child's life (and half the problem). If the parent isn't advocating for their child, pushing for help and services, providing support at home, and seeking out therapies, the school can only do so much.

Sorry, this isn't always the case. I gave the example of the autistic boy above. My sister was in a poor area due to her job. While she isn't poor, all around her were. The school was totally responsible for the failure! They dislike allocating extremely limited resources to address problems properly. Behavioral problems take money to solve! If parents cannot control behavior than therapy is required....which costs $$$.

Parents should not have to advocate that much! Poor people don't have the luxury to continuously advocate for their children. They often have inflexible work schedules.

Sorry, but it sounds like that was exactly the case. Your sister wasn't happy with the school's support, so she moved her child.

Furthermore, advocating for your child is not "a luxury", it's your job as a parent. You can't do that or don't want to do that, don't have children.

I almost Hate people like you. People who have no idea what it's like to have any experience outside of their very own narrow perspective people. People like you who don't understand that sometimes life can change on a dime and your circumstances today may not be ur circumstances the day after.PITY on you!
I hope to God that you never suffer a devastating medical catastrophe, job loss, family separation or of some other unforeseen change in circumstance that turns your world up side down. Then again maybe that's what it will take for you to understand that a lot of things that a lot of us especially middle-class people have arecluxuries to those who are struggling in poverty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the above PLUS parent choices and level of involvement. Everyone blames schools, but the school is only half of the child's life (and half the problem). If the parent isn't advocating for their child, pushing for help and services, providing support at home, and seeking out therapies, the school can only do so much.

Sorry, this isn't always the case. I gave the example of the autistic boy above. My sister was in a poor area due to her job. While she isn't poor, all around her were. The school was totally responsible for the failure! They dislike allocating extremely limited resources to address problems properly. Behavioral problems take money to solve! If parents cannot control behavior than therapy is required....which costs $$$.

Parents should not have to advocate that much! Poor people don't have the luxury to continuously advocate for their children. They often have inflexible work schedules.

Sorry, but it sounds like that was exactly the case. Your sister wasn't happy with the school's support, so she moved her child.

Furthermore, advocating for your child is not "a luxury", it's your job as a parent. You can't do that or don't want to do that, don't have children.

I almost Hate people like you. People who have no idea what it's like to have any experience outside of their very own narrow perspective people. People like you who don't understand that sometimes life can change on a dime and your circumstances today may not be ur circumstances the day after.PITY on you!
I hope to God that you never suffer a devastating medical catastrophe, job loss, family separation or of some other unforeseen change in circumstance that turns your world up side down. Then again maybe that's what it will take for you to understand that a lot of things that a lot of us especially middle-class people have arecluxuries to those who are struggling in poverty.

You make a whole lot of assumptions about someone whom you know nothing about. I have suffered my share of devastation, unfortunately. However, I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the topic at hand.