Superbowl halftime - scantily dressed women and very covered up men

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Anonymous wrote:Old farts had more respect for them selves
Not great role models for young women!! Unless you want them to be strippers.

Yer dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Months of planning went into this show. Every single detail was intentional. They put on a high energy, fun performance. It's the Superbowl halftime show, ffs, what would Becky and Karen and Jimbo prefer to see?

Riverdance or some old timer like Billy Joel or Bruce Springsteen.

I think you nailed it. Someone already offered up Barbra Streisand as the perfect half-time performance, lol.

Wow! Maybe Streisand will have Cardi B as her special guest. Lol

Or maybe Bette Midler with guest star, Betty White.

It’s seriously crazy, I’m not seeing anyone else anywhere complain that this show was too much. Especially since these artists are middle age and these are old songs.

And yeah, OP would have a heart attack if Cardi B performed. This is the same woman who took a poo on a livestream.

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Yes, these are two women who are more talented than the general population
Yes, they are both in good shape
yes, they both have long careers de to talent and effort
Yes, they both chose choreography that accentuated their sensual side
Yes, JLo chose to be more explicitly sexual in her dancing
Yes, the dancers and SuperBowl wanted the dancing to keep viewers attention and for the half time show to be talked about
Yes, women and men are both sexual beings who can act in sexual ways and who respond to sexual cues

All these things can exist simultaneously. Your perception of their musical talent, their dance ability, the appropriateness of their dance moves, etc vary based on people's individual morals and values and interests and tastes.

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Anonymous wrote:Engineer here. Live audio is tough in that type of environment and stage setup. You can't really place monitor speakers anywhere since the stage and performer move around a huge amount, and the sound guys go nuts as the performers move because you risk feedback/reverb depending on their positioning in relation to the speakers. It's a 360-degrees stage and audience, so there's never a "behind the stage" direction where your audio is "safe" from feedback. No matter which way they face, there's audience speakers behind them ready to kill their mic with feedback.

Some parts of the audio were live -- you could tell as the voices had more of an echo effect when they did, but still my hats off to the audio engineers for making it work.. and to the gaffers and grips -- they set up that entire stage in about 10 minutes, then tore it all down again in 10 minutes.

That's really interesting. Thanks for posting this perspective!

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Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

This is what you should say to your son... stop sexualizing women, their dress does not cause that. Dancers... ballarinas, trapeze artists, volley ball players... they wear very little/tight/revealing clothes. Stop making the outfit about sex. That is something that he is choosing to do. Belly Dancers move the same way... if you choose to think about sex when they dance that is on you. His reaction is extremely immature.

They are not in your face, it is his choice to sexualize a woman based on how she is dressed. He can choose better and his actions and reactions are his own, not caused by others.

They did not emphasize body parts HE emphasized body parts, he missed the art/athleticism/talent... that is on him.

Seriously??? You are insane. This is why young men can't figure the world out. No way. They emphasized their body parts, they opted to have bare butts, to use a strip pole. J Lo's entire performance was about sex.

It is completely different from athletes and we have had extensive discussions about this. Context matters. Just as it is appropriate for a woman to use pole dancing, it would not be appropriate for an elementary school teacher to demonstrate her fitness skills for her class.

Seriously? YOU are insane.

My kids do not look at them and think sex ... they think athleticism, amazing dancing, great music, fun, entertaining.

Yes, context matters... this was not a stip club, this was a athletic show. She shows how athletic she is, how amazing she can dance and entertain.

Nobody was thinking sex... except for a bunch of boys with moms who have taught them a woman's body is only for sex.

Humans are sexual beings. I highly doubt your teens will never look at a human with any sexual interest or have any sexual desires. The human race would have died out eons ago if men didn't look at women are sexual beings. People can choose to emphasize or not emphasize the sexual side of themselves in how they present themselves. This can be done through words, outfits, dance moves etc. If someone wants to be sexualized and acts in a very sexualized way, there is nothing wrong with them being sexualized. Tons of people were thinking about sex. That is human nature. You seem completely void of common sense. Thinking about someone's body in a sexual way when they are putting themselves out there in a sexual way doesn't mean that woman's body is only about sex it just means that at that moment that is focus they are presenting.

If you don't get it you will not get it. You were socialized to believe that anytime a curvy woman of color moves her hips and wears less clothes... it is about sex.

It is so deeply ingrained in your subconscious you don't even see that is a learned response you can unlearn if you choose to do so.

This is why women can go topless elsewhere and not be sexualized, because their society did not teach people to sexualize everything.

You just will never get it.

My teens do not equate a 1/2 time show with sex. They know J.Lo and Shakira are at a job and doing a damn amazing job. NO. They did not sexualize them.

My kids can appreciate an amazing looking body without making it about sex. Plus J.Lo is f'ing 50 you think teens are sexualizing moms... gross, what is wrong with you and your kid.

JLo was sexualizing herself. Plain and simple. If you don't see that, you really are naive. Any person (regardless of color) wearing next to nothing and gyrating/dancing provocatively is going to make people think of sex. That's not a socialized thing, it's an instinctual thing. We are animals at our base designed to reproduce. Certain cues are going to signal that, that's human nature. You really are dense if you can't see the association.

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Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

This is what you should say to your son... stop sexualizing women, their dress does not cause that. Dancers... ballarinas, trapeze artists, volley ball players... they wear very little/tight/revealing clothes. Stop making the outfit about sex. That is something that he is choosing to do. Belly Dancers move the same way... if you choose to think about sex when they dance that is on you. His reaction is extremely immature.

They are not in your face, it is his choice to sexualize a woman based on how she is dressed. He can choose better and his actions and reactions are his own, not caused by others.

They did not emphasize body parts HE emphasized body parts, he missed the art/athleticism/talent... that is on him.

Seriously??? You are insane. This is why young men can't figure the world out. No way. They emphasized their body parts, they opted to have bare butts, to use a strip pole. J Lo's entire performance was about sex.

It is completely different from athletes and we have had extensive discussions about this. Context matters. Just as it is appropriate for a woman to use pole dancing, it would not be appropriate for an elementary school teacher to demonstrate her fitness skills for her class.

Seriously? YOU are insane.

My kids do not look at them and think sex ... they think athleticism, amazing dancing, great music, fun, entertaining.

Yes, context matters... this was not a stip club, this was a athletic show. She shows how athletic she is, how amazing she can dance and entertain.

Nobody was thinking sex... except for a bunch of boys with moms who have taught them a woman's body is only for sex.

Humans are sexual beings. I highly doubt your teens will never look at a human with any sexual interest or have any sexual desires. The human race would have died out eons ago if men didn't look at women are sexual beings. People can choose to emphasize or not emphasize the sexual side of themselves in how they present themselves. This can be done through words, outfits, dance moves etc. If someone wants to be sexualized and acts in a very sexualized way, there is nothing wrong with them being sexualized. Tons of people were thinking about sex. That is human nature. You seem completely void of common sense. Thinking about someone's body in a sexual way when they are putting themselves out there in a sexual way doesn't mean that woman's body is only about sex it just means that at that moment that is focus they are presenting.

If you don't get it you will not get it. You were socialized to believe that anytime a curvy woman of color moves her hips and wears less clothes... it is about sex.

It is so deeply ingrained in your subconscious you don't even see that is a learned response you can unlearn if you choose to do so.

This is why women can go topless elsewhere and not be sexualized, because their society did not teach people to sexualize everything.

You just will never get it.

My teens do not equate a 1/2 time show with sex. They know J.Lo and Shakira are at a job and doing a damn amazing job. NO. They did not sexualize them.

My kids can appreciate an amazing looking body without making it about sex. Plus J.Lo is f'ing 50 you think teens are sexualizing moms... gross, what is wrong with you and your kid.

JLo was sexualizing herself. Plain and simple. If you don't see that, you really are naive. Any person (regardless of color) wearing next to nothing and gyrating/dancing provocatively is going to make people think of sex. That's not a socialized thing, it's an instinctual thing. We are animals at our base designed to reproduce. Certain cues are going to signal that, that's human nature. You really are dense if you can't see the association.

Why do you care so much?

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Anonymous wrote:It's 2020, these are professional, talented, established women. So why do they need to perform in lingerie?

The outfits were fine, it was the very sexually charged dance moves and Shakira's tongue "thing" she did for no apparent reason that made me question what the hell I was watching.

It was a ululation, a nod to her Lebanese heritage. You DCUMers have no exposure to other cultures, it seems.

I hated how hyper sexualized it was but didn’t read “sexual”‘in the tongue thing she did. It looked more like her being silly than sexual but it’s good to know that it was a nod to her culture.

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Fully-covered men? Weren't the men wearing harnesses?

Honestly, there was nothing strip club about the performance. Gay club, yes, but not strip club.

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Anonymous wrote:It's 2020, these are professional, talented, established women. So why do they need to perform in lingerie?

The outfits were fine, it was the very sexually charged dance moves and Shakira's tongue "thing" she did for no apparent reason that made me question what the hell I was watching.

It was a ululation, a nod to her Lebanese heritage. You DCUMers have no exposure to other cultures, it seems.

I hated how hyper sexualized it was but didn’t read “sexual”‘in the tongue thing she did. It looked more like her being silly than sexual but it’s good to know that it was a nod to her culture.

WTH??

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Anonymous wrote:To the people that are offended for their sexual moves. It's engrained in our soul to move our body this way. I'm a 34 year old woman pregnant and can shake my hips that way on a drop of a dime. My daughter will probably do the same. I love to dance with my husband that way too.
Don't feel sorry for these women this is just how we express ourselves! I do find it empowering and loved their performance!!

It's the context, though. I understand different cultural norms and different personal preferences. I believe women's bodies belong to them and should not be policed and repressed, but I will always struggle to understand what's empowering about these types of performances in such a commercial context. You enjoying moving your body and dancing with your husband is not you gyrating on stage for money.

It's helps the performers earning money and fame, but how does it empower the average woman in any way?

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My main takeaway from the performance is that I need to workout more.

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Anonymous wrote:It's 2020, these are professional, talented, established women. So why do they need to perform in lingerie?

The outfits were fine, it was the very sexually charged dance moves and Shakira's tongue "thing" she did for no apparent reason that made me question what the hell I was watching.

It was a ululation, a nod to her Lebanese heritage. You DCUMers have no exposure to other cultures, it seems.

I hated how hyper sexualized it was but didn’t read “sexual”‘in the tongue thing she did. It looked more like her being silly than sexual but it’s good to know that it was a nod to her culture.

Get out and travel more. there is nothing sexual about the ulutation. It's about as sexual as jumping up and down and cheering at a celebratory occasion like a wedding. Oh wait, some of you all just sit around in your chair and clap.

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We suddenly have lots of armchair experts on Lebanese culture. Most of you had no idea it was a cultural thing during the performance either - until you saw it online. Most of you had never heard the world ululation and couldn't have defined it before yesterday.

Suddenly now everyone is an expert and uses it as though it is a word they use daily and acting incredulous that others didn't immediately recognize it.

Some of you aren't even spelling it right. If you are going to put yourself up on a cultural 'woke' pedestal, at least get the word right.

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Anonymous wrote:We suddenly have lots of armchair experts on Lebanese culture. Most of you had no idea it was a cultural thing during the performance either - until you saw it online. Most of you had never heard the world ululation and couldn't have defined it before yesterday.

Suddenly now everyone is an expert and uses it as though it is a word they use daily and acting incredulous that others didn't immediately recognize it.

Some of you aren't even spelling it right. If you are going to put yourself up on a cultural 'woke' pedestal, at least get the word right.

I've heard it myself in a non-Western part of the world. My spouse is from a culture in which this is done at times of celebration.

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I’m angry at these two women. They again reinforced the stereotype that women are just sex objects. They couldn’t even show off their musical abilities without pole dancing. Gross.

I won’t ever watch the super bowl again. I can’t support children watching pole dancing. I would never take my kids to a strip club.