Stop the FCV (DA) and McLean (ECNL) hate

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Anonymous wrote:What do people think of the Mclean commitment list? Few ECNL/DA clubs across the nation can match or exceed.

Aleigh Gambone University of North Carolina Chapel Hill McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Angela Caloia Harvard University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cayla White University of Virginia McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Courtney Brown Troy University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ella Gantman Princeton University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Faith Lee Air Force Academy McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Gabriella Nastasi Morehead State University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Holly Weber Virginia Tech University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Isabella DeLew Cornell University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Jordan Beverina Columbia University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Julia Leas Georgetown University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Kendall Robertson Rice University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Macy Monticello University of Wisconsin McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Mia Pham James Madison University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Nora O'Connor New Jersey Institute of Technology McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Rebekah Myers Elon University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Serena Pham University of Alabama McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Claire Kaplan Hamilton College McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Danielle Soto Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Margaux Ameer Tufts University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ashley Hong Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cadyn Westhoff Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Samantha Odeh Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Sophie Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Zoe Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL

Congratulations to those girls. This is an example of a super team formed when there were only 2 club options for top level soccer in the area. The talent used to be very concentrated. For the younger girls the talent is spread across 6-7 DA/ECNL teams.

A factor to consider here is where would these girls have gone to school without soccer? Many of them may have gone to same level school for other reasons (academics or connections of parents or their private high schools). McLean soccer is full of very well connected families and many of these families have many college options for their kids regardless of sports. Point being that lists like these don’t always tell the whole story especially when the application is very strong in other facets than sports.

This is not Varsity Blues. UNC, UVA, Georgetown, Princeton and Wisconsin do not recruit you unless you can help them win an NCAA title. If Obama's daughter couldn't get on Harvard or Princeton's team no matter how strong the Obama connections are. At this level, you need to be a stand out player. Obviously, academic institutions like Harvard, Columbia and Princeton require strong academics but connections only go so far. Playing and standing out on an elite ECNL team is the main driver. This is not about going to school. This is about going to school and playing for an elite NCAA DI team that will compete for the championship.

You need to throttle down a little bit. This isn't football or basketball we're talking about.
While you can use soccer as a hook to get into an Ivy or other top academic institution, you can't get in without being able to do the work (or least seem like you can do the work).
Winning a soccer championship doesn't move the needle much for an institution; therefore, schools (especially those with high academic standards)aren't going to go for a "riskier" athlete to play soccer no matter how elite their ECNL team was.

You are a complete moron. Please move on to other forums and try to educate. As for this forum, you have proven yourself to be inept at understanding college sports. Sorry but college coaches at most DI program are building programs to win titles. Some schools have to do so with other requirements, i.e. academics (Ivies, Stanford), Service (Service academies) or religion (ND and BYU). It is assumed that players can meet the basic qualifications but to get a sport on the team, they need to be able to play. Your comment that this kids would have gotten in without having played soccer at the ECNL level is asinine at best. Princeton, Harvard, Air Force, UNC, UVA and UW are not giving up a lot on the team because some applicant can kick a ball. The caches of these teams are flying out to to the ECNL/DA playoffs to find girls who can play. If the girls can meet the academic or other requirements then they get recruited. To assume that Dorrance at UNC is not recruiting to win another NCAA title just makes you foolish. Please go away.

College coaches want to win titles. Duh!

But here's the thing, if you think the ADs and admission departments are gonna let their women's soccer coaches run wild likes its Southwest Conferfence Football, and let in questionable students because they played on an ECNL team so they can win a soccer title, you're cracked. Moreover, there is a significant difference between being competitive in the Ivy League and competing for a women's national soccer championship --- Princeton clocked in with an RPI of 27, Columbia was the next closet in the 90s --- not exactly on the cusp of a championship, so I'm guessing the players their getting are not that great (relative to other schools).

But, please expert continue to name drop and name call as you educate the rest of us.

I assume that you are the same DB because every time you write, it is just complete nonsense. You obviously did not go to an Ivy League school given you inability to understand anything that was explained above.

Just to refresh, jacka$$, you said that most of the kids at McLean could probably get into the same schools w/o having played elite soccer. You argued that they have grades, contacts, legacy, etc. I am not disagreeing with your conclusion. My point is that these girls want to play competitive soccer. You don't do ECNL if you don't want to play competitive soccer. McLean ECNL helped them land on the teams at the school where they are committed. Had they night played for McLean ECNL and instead played for Stoddert or some other NCSL or CCL team, it is unlikely they would have landed on the soccer teams at these schools. They might have been admitted but not with a spot on the soccer team. Do you understand now? Harvard, Columbia, UVA, UNC, Rice and other schools are not accepting kids who don't have stellar academics no matter how good on the soccer field they are. Now if the kids have stellar academics and can play at a high level, they will get recruited.

By the way, I am no expert but just using common sense.

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The McLean players absolutely used soccer to help them get in. They may be within the cohort of admitted students with respect to grades, test scores, etc., but the acceptance rates at these schools mean that without soccer, their chances of being admitted even as qualified applicants are slim. Harvard’s acceptance rate was under 5% this year, and every Ivy League school except one was under 10%. Soccer is how these smart and athletic girls distinguish themselves from all the thousands of other qualified applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:The McLean players absolutely used soccer to help them get in. They may be within the cohort of admitted students with respect to grades, test scores, etc., but the acceptance rates at these schools mean that without soccer, their chances of being admitted even as qualified applicants are slim. Harvard’s acceptance rate was under 5% this year, and every Ivy League school except one was under 10%. Soccer is how these smart and athletic girls distinguish themselves from all the thousands of other qualified applicants.

Absolutely. The Ivy League coaches will only use a recruiting spot/chit with admissions for a truly gifted player, but s/he has to be "in the range" for admissions (i.e., can't stroll in with a B average and low test scores). Otherwise, I think the really smart kids who are "in the range" for soccer but not top recruits are encouraged to apply and then come see about a spot on the team once admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people think of the Mclean commitment list? Few ECNL/DA clubs across the nation can match or exceed.

Aleigh Gambone University of North Carolina Chapel Hill McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Angela Caloia Harvard University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cayla White University of Virginia McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Courtney Brown Troy University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ella Gantman Princeton University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Faith Lee Air Force Academy McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Gabriella Nastasi Morehead State University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Holly Weber Virginia Tech University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Isabella DeLew Cornell University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Jordan Beverina Columbia University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Julia Leas Georgetown University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Kendall Robertson Rice University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Macy Monticello University of Wisconsin McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Mia Pham James Madison University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Nora O'Connor New Jersey Institute of Technology McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Rebekah Myers Elon University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Serena Pham University of Alabama McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Claire Kaplan Hamilton College McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Danielle Soto Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Margaux Ameer Tufts University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ashley Hong Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cadyn Westhoff Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Samantha Odeh Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Sophie Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Zoe Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL

Congratulations to those girls. This is an example of a super team formed when there were only 2 club options for top level soccer in the area. The talent used to be very concentrated. For the younger girls the talent is spread across 6-7 DA/ECNL teams.

A factor to consider here is where would these girls have gone to school without soccer? Many of them may have gone to same level school for other reasons (academics or connections of parents or their private high schools). McLean soccer is full of very well connected families and many of these families have many college options for their kids regardless of sports. Point being that lists like these don’t always tell the whole story especially when the application is very strong in other facets than sports.

This is not Varsity Blues. UNC, UVA, Georgetown, Princeton and Wisconsin do not recruit you unless you can help them win an NCAA title. If Obama's daughter couldn't get on Harvard or Princeton's team no matter how strong the Obama connections are. At this level, you need to be a stand out player. Obviously, academic institutions like Harvard, Columbia and Princeton require strong academics but connections only go so far. Playing and standing out on an elite ECNL team is the main driver. This is not about going to school. This is about going to school and playing for an elite NCAA DI team that will compete for the championship.

You need to throttle down a little bit. This isn't football or basketball we're talking about.
While you can use soccer as a hook to get into an Ivy or other top academic institution, you can't get in without being able to do the work (or least seem like you can do the work).
Winning a soccer championship doesn't move the needle much for an institution; therefore, schools (especially those with high academic standards)aren't going to go for a "riskier" athlete to play soccer no matter how elite their ECNL team was.

You are a complete moron. Please move on to other forums and try to educate. As for this forum, you have proven yourself to be inept at understanding college sports. Sorry but college coaches at most DI program are building programs to win titles. Some schools have to do so with other requirements, i.e. academics (Ivies, Stanford), Service (Service academies) or religion (ND and BYU). It is assumed that players can meet the basic qualifications but to get a sport on the team, they need to be able to play. Your comment that this kids would have gotten in without having played soccer at the ECNL level is asinine at best. Princeton, Harvard, Air Force, UNC, UVA and UW are not giving up a lot on the team because some applicant can kick a ball. The caches of these teams are flying out to to the ECNL/DA playoffs to find girls who can play. If the girls can meet the academic or other requirements then they get recruited. To assume that Dorrance at UNC is not recruiting to win another NCAA title just makes you foolish. Please go away.

College coaches want to win titles. Duh!

But here's the thing, if you think the ADs and admission departments are gonna let their women's soccer coaches run wild likes its Southwest Conferfence Football, and let in questionable students because they played on an ECNL team so they can win a soccer title, you're cracked. Moreover, there is a significant difference between being competitive in the Ivy League and competing for a women's national soccer championship --- Princeton clocked in with an RPI of 27, Columbia was the next closet in the 90s --- not exactly on the cusp of a championship, so I'm guessing the players their getting are not that great (relative to other schools).

But, please expert continue to name drop and name call as you educate the rest of us.

I would check the bios of those players before you start saying “they aren’t that great.” I believe Harvard has the #1 tds recruit in the country for next year. UPenn and Princeton are traditionally competitive nationally.

Geez. do you think its the soccer that's drawing the #1 tds to the school? Hint: It's not.

Harvard was able to translate their previous recruiting efforts into #153 ranking according to the NCAA website this year. Stellar.
And by the way, Harvard also opted to take 3 out of 7 players who are foreign this year --- nothing to do with ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:The McLean players absolutely used soccer to help them get in. They may be within the cohort of admitted students with respect to grades, test scores, etc., but the acceptance rates at these schools mean that without soccer, their chances of being admitted even as qualified applicants are slim. Harvard’s acceptance rate was under 5% this year, and every Ivy League school except one was under 10%. Soccer is how these smart and athletic girls distinguish themselves from all the thousands of other qualified applicants.

Right --- they want to get in to an Ivy League, being a great soccer player (provided they are competitive academically as well) is their differentiator.
Soccer alone won't get make up for any (very little) of their other application deficiencies.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people think of the Mclean commitment list? Few ECNL/DA clubs across the nation can match or exceed.

Aleigh Gambone University of North Carolina Chapel Hill McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Angela Caloia Harvard University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cayla White University of Virginia McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Courtney Brown Troy University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ella Gantman Princeton University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Faith Lee Air Force Academy McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Gabriella Nastasi Morehead State University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Holly Weber Virginia Tech University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Isabella DeLew Cornell University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Jordan Beverina Columbia University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Julia Leas Georgetown University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Kendall Robertson Rice University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Macy Monticello University of Wisconsin McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Mia Pham James Madison University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Nora O'Connor New Jersey Institute of Technology McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Rebekah Myers Elon University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Serena Pham University of Alabama McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Claire Kaplan Hamilton College McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Danielle Soto Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Margaux Ameer Tufts University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ashley Hong Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cadyn Westhoff Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Samantha Odeh Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Sophie Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Zoe Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL

Congratulations to those girls. This is an example of a super team formed when there were only 2 club options for top level soccer in the area. The talent used to be very concentrated. For the younger girls the talent is spread across 6-7 DA/ECNL teams.

A factor to consider here is where would these girls have gone to school without soccer? Many of them may have gone to same level school for other reasons (academics or connections of parents or their private high schools). McLean soccer is full of very well connected families and many of these families have many college options for their kids regardless of sports. Point being that lists like these don’t always tell the whole story especially when the application is very strong in other facets than sports.

This is not Varsity Blues. UNC, UVA, Georgetown, Princeton and Wisconsin do not recruit you unless you can help them win an NCAA title. If Obama's daughter couldn't get on Harvard or Princeton's team no matter how strong the Obama connections are. At this level, you need to be a stand out player. Obviously, academic institutions like Harvard, Columbia and Princeton require strong academics but connections only go so far. Playing and standing out on an elite ECNL team is the main driver. This is not about going to school. This is about going to school and playing for an elite NCAA DI team that will compete for the championship.

You need to throttle down a little bit. This isn't football or basketball we're talking about.
While you can use soccer as a hook to get into an Ivy or other top academic institution, you can't get in without being able to do the work (or least seem like you can do the work).
Winning a soccer championship doesn't move the needle much for an institution; therefore, schools (especially those with high academic standards)aren't going to go for a "riskier" athlete to play soccer no matter how elite their ECNL team was.

You are a complete moron. Please move on to other forums and try to educate. As for this forum, you have proven yourself to be inept at understanding college sports. Sorry but college coaches at most DI program are building programs to win titles. Some schools have to do so with other requirements, i.e. academics (Ivies, Stanford), Service (Service academies) or religion (ND and BYU). It is assumed that players can meet the basic qualifications but to get a sport on the team, they need to be able to play. Your comment that this kids would have gotten in without having played soccer at the ECNL level is asinine at best. Princeton, Harvard, Air Force, UNC, UVA and UW are not giving up a lot on the team because some applicant can kick a ball. The caches of these teams are flying out to to the ECNL/DA playoffs to find girls who can play. If the girls can meet the academic or other requirements then they get recruited. To assume that Dorrance at UNC is not recruiting to win another NCAA title just makes you foolish. Please go away.

College coaches want to win titles. Duh!

But here's the thing, if you think the ADs and admission departments are gonna let their women's soccer coaches run wild likes its Southwest Conferfence Football, and let in questionable students because they played on an ECNL team so they can win a soccer title, you're cracked. Moreover, there is a significant difference between being competitive in the Ivy League and competing for a women's national soccer championship --- Princeton clocked in with an RPI of 27, Columbia was the next closet in the 90s --- not exactly on the cusp of a championship, so I'm guessing the players their getting are not that great (relative to other schools).

But, please expert continue to name drop and name call as you educate the rest of us.

I assume that you are the same DB because every time you write, it is just complete nonsense. You obviously did not go to an Ivy League school given you inability to understand anything that was explained above.

Just to refresh, jacka$$, you said that most of the kids at McLean could probably get into the same schools w/o having played elite soccer. You argued that they have grades, contacts, legacy, etc. I am not disagreeing with your conclusion. My point is that these girls want to play competitive soccer. You don't do ECNL if you don't want to play competitive soccer. McLean ECNL helped them land on the teams at the school where they are committed. Had they night played for McLean ECNL and instead played for Stoddert or some other NCSL or CCL team, it is unlikely they would have landed on the soccer teams at these schools. They might have been admitted but not with a spot on the soccer team. Do you understand now? Harvard, Columbia, UVA, UNC, Rice and other schools are not accepting kids who don't have stellar academics no matter how good on the soccer field they are. Now if the kids have stellar academics and can play at a high level, they will get recruited.

By the way, I am no expert but just using common sense.

You assume and you are wrong, but I'm guessing you get that a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people think of the Mclean commitment list? Few ECNL/DA clubs across the nation can match or exceed.

Aleigh Gambone University of North Carolina Chapel Hill McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Angela Caloia Harvard University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cayla White University of Virginia McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Courtney Brown Troy University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ella Gantman Princeton University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Faith Lee Air Force Academy McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Gabriella Nastasi Morehead State University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Holly Weber Virginia Tech University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Isabella DeLew Cornell University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Jordan Beverina Columbia University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Julia Leas Georgetown University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Kendall Robertson Rice University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Macy Monticello University of Wisconsin McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Mia Pham James Madison University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Nora O'Connor New Jersey Institute of Technology McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Rebekah Myers Elon University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Serena Pham University of Alabama McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Claire Kaplan Hamilton College McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Danielle Soto Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Margaux Ameer Tufts University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ashley Hong Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cadyn Westhoff Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Samantha Odeh Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Sophie Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Zoe Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL

Congratulations to those girls. This is an example of a super team formed when there were only 2 club options for top level soccer in the area. The talent used to be very concentrated. For the younger girls the talent is spread across 6-7 DA/ECNL teams.

A factor to consider here is where would these girls have gone to school without soccer? Many of them may have gone to same level school for other reasons (academics or connections of parents or their private high schools). McLean soccer is full of very well connected families and many of these families have many college options for their kids regardless of sports. Point being that lists like these don’t always tell the whole story especially when the application is very strong in other facets than sports.

This is not Varsity Blues. UNC, UVA, Georgetown, Princeton and Wisconsin do not recruit you unless you can help them win an NCAA title. If Obama's daughter couldn't get on Harvard or Princeton's team no matter how strong the Obama connections are. At this level, you need to be a stand out player. Obviously, academic institutions like Harvard, Columbia and Princeton require strong academics but connections only go so far. Playing and standing out on an elite ECNL team is the main driver. This is not about going to school. This is about going to school and playing for an elite NCAA DI team that will compete for the championship.

You need to throttle down a little bit. This isn't football or basketball we're talking about.
While you can use soccer as a hook to get into an Ivy or other top academic institution, you can't get in without being able to do the work (or least seem like you can do the work).
Winning a soccer championship doesn't move the needle much for an institution; therefore, schools (especially those with high academic standards)aren't going to go for a "riskier" athlete to play soccer no matter how elite their ECNL team was.

You are a complete moron. Please move on to other forums and try to educate. As for this forum, you have proven yourself to be inept at understanding college sports. Sorry but college coaches at most DI program are building programs to win titles. Some schools have to do so with other requirements, i.e. academics (Ivies, Stanford), Service (Service academies) or religion (ND and BYU). It is assumed that players can meet the basic qualifications but to get a sport on the team, they need to be able to play. Your comment that this kids would have gotten in without having played soccer at the ECNL level is asinine at best. Princeton, Harvard, Air Force, UNC, UVA and UW are not giving up a lot on the team because some applicant can kick a ball. The caches of these teams are flying out to to the ECNL/DA playoffs to find girls who can play. If the girls can meet the academic or other requirements then they get recruited. To assume that Dorrance at UNC is not recruiting to win another NCAA title just makes you foolish. Please go away.

College coaches want to win titles. Duh!

But here's the thing, if you think the ADs and admission departments are gonna let their women's soccer coaches run wild likes its Southwest Conferfence Football, and let in questionable students because they played on an ECNL team so they can win a soccer title, you're cracked. Moreover, there is a significant difference between being competitive in the Ivy League and competing for a women's national soccer championship --- Princeton clocked in with an RPI of 27, Columbia was the next closet in the 90s --- not exactly on the cusp of a championship, so I'm guessing the players their getting are not that great (relative to other schools).

But, please expert continue to name drop and name call as you educate the rest of us.

I assume that you are the same DB because every time you write, it is just complete nonsense. You obviously did not go to an Ivy League school given you inability to understand anything that was explained above.

Just to refresh, jacka$$, you said that most of the kids at McLean could probably get into the same schools w/o having played elite soccer. You argued that they have grades, contacts, legacy, etc. I am not disagreeing with your conclusion. My point is that these girls want to play competitive soccer. You don't do ECNL if you don't want to play competitive soccer. McLean ECNL helped them land on the teams at the school where they are committed. Had they night played for McLean ECNL and instead played for Stoddert or some other NCSL or CCL team, it is unlikely they would have landed on the soccer teams at these schools. They might have been admitted but not with a spot on the soccer team. Do you understand now? Harvard, Columbia, UVA, UNC, Rice and other schools are not accepting kids who don't have stellar academics no matter how good on the soccer field they are. Now if the kids have stellar academics and can play at a high level, they will get recruited.

By the way, I am no expert but just using common sense.

So you have no knowledge of the college acceptance and soccer recruiting process. Thanks for posting.

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But the conclusion is spot on, newbie, I believe you are on the wrong forum. Look for the rec forum where they discuss snacks and juice boxes.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people think of the Mclean commitment list? Few ECNL/DA clubs across the nation can match or exceed.

Aleigh Gambone University of North Carolina Chapel Hill McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Angela Caloia Harvard University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cayla White University of Virginia McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Courtney Brown Troy University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ella Gantman Princeton University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Faith Lee Air Force Academy McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Gabriella Nastasi Morehead State University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Holly Weber Virginia Tech University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Isabella DeLew Cornell University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Jordan Beverina Columbia University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Julia Leas Georgetown University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Kendall Robertson Rice University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Macy Monticello University of Wisconsin McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Mia Pham James Madison University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Nora O'Connor New Jersey Institute of Technology McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Rebekah Myers Elon University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Serena Pham University of Alabama McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Claire Kaplan Hamilton College McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Danielle Soto Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Margaux Ameer Tufts University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ashley Hong Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cadyn Westhoff Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Samantha Odeh Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Sophie Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Zoe Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL

Congratulations to those girls. This is an example of a super team formed when there were only 2 club options for top level soccer in the area. The talent used to be very concentrated. For the younger girls the talent is spread across 6-7 DA/ECNL teams.

A factor to consider here is where would these girls have gone to school without soccer? Many of them may have gone to same level school for other reasons (academics or connections of parents or their private high schools). McLean soccer is full of very well connected families and many of these families have many college options for their kids regardless of sports. Point being that lists like these don’t always tell the whole story especially when the application is very strong in other facets than sports.

This is not Varsity Blues. UNC, UVA, Georgetown, Princeton and Wisconsin do not recruit you unless you can help them win an NCAA title. If Obama's daughter couldn't get on Harvard or Princeton's team no matter how strong the Obama connections are. At this level, you need to be a stand out player. Obviously, academic institutions like Harvard, Columbia and Princeton require strong academics but connections only go so far. Playing and standing out on an elite ECNL team is the main driver. This is not about going to school. This is about going to school and playing for an elite NCAA DI team that will compete for the championship.

You need to throttle down a little bit. This isn't football or basketball we're talking about.
While you can use soccer as a hook to get into an Ivy or other top academic institution, you can't get in without being able to do the work (or least seem like you can do the work).
Winning a soccer championship doesn't move the needle much for an institution; therefore, schools (especially those with high academic standards)aren't going to go for a "riskier" athlete to play soccer no matter how elite their ECNL team was.

You are a complete moron. Please move on to other forums and try to educate. As for this forum, you have proven yourself to be inept at understanding college sports. Sorry but college coaches at most DI program are building programs to win titles. Some schools have to do so with other requirements, i.e. academics (Ivies, Stanford), Service (Service academies) or religion (ND and BYU). It is assumed that players can meet the basic qualifications but to get a sport on the team, they need to be able to play. Your comment that this kids would have gotten in without having played soccer at the ECNL level is asinine at best. Princeton, Harvard, Air Force, UNC, UVA and UW are not giving up a lot on the team because some applicant can kick a ball. The caches of these teams are flying out to to the ECNL/DA playoffs to find girls who can play. If the girls can meet the academic or other requirements then they get recruited. To assume that Dorrance at UNC is not recruiting to win another NCAA title just makes you foolish. Please go away.

College coaches want to win titles. Duh!

But here's the thing, if you think the ADs and admission departments are gonna let their women's soccer coaches run wild likes its Southwest Conferfence Football, and let in questionable students because they played on an ECNL team so they can win a soccer title, you're cracked. Moreover, there is a significant difference between being competitive in the Ivy League and competing for a women's national soccer championship --- Princeton clocked in with an RPI of 27, Columbia was the next closet in the 90s --- not exactly on the cusp of a championship, so I'm guessing the players their getting are not that great (relative to other schools).

But, please expert continue to name drop and name call as you educate the rest of us.

I would check the bios of those players before you start saying “they aren’t that great.” I believe Harvard has the #1 tds recruit in the country for next year. UPenn and Princeton are traditionally competitive nationally.

Geez. do you think its the soccer that's drawing the #1 tds to the school? Hint: It's not.

Harvard was able to translate their previous recruiting efforts into #153 ranking according to the NCAA website this year. Stellar.
And by the way, Harvard also opted to take 3 out of 7 players who are foreign this year --- nothing to do with ECNL.

What’s your point? Ivy League programs aren’t competing for national championships?

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Anonymous wrote:We are happy at FCV. If DA, coaches rotate so you get a variety, including Bobby. He’s a great coach. Don’t let the board trolls fool you. He’s not a friend though, he’s a coach. He does keep it light sometimes, he does kick it around with the girls including demonstrations. Some like him, some don’t. It varies. He’s not a National Team coach because he can’t coach. MU parents are bitter. I’ve seen many, many that were not offered and begin disrespecting the club and coaches.

Christian, Bobby, Marvin, Emma, Gus are all exceptional coaches with more history of playing and coaching education than ANY club in DMV.

What is the story with him telling a player they were an embarrassment to the DA? I heard Gus yells curse words at his players. Are these stories true or made up by the trolls?

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LMAO - OMG. Now you are flat out lying to protect FCV. Hundreds of parents have seen this behavior from the FCV coaches. Do not believe anything the FCV cheerleaders tell you.

100s? If both parents were in attendance, that’s 50 players. Almost 3 teams were at a game where this mystery statement was made? C’mon.

DP. The OP meant the behavior isn't one isolated incident but a pattern of behavior. You can see it as a negative or positive, but the coaching at FCV includes some...polarizing tactics. That meaning some parents are on board with it and others despise it.

The "mystery statement" on being embarassing was actually yelled in frustration because the Spiirt girls were playing tough defense in the 1st half of that game, Bobby wanted more goals but they weren't coming. There was also a comment in the same vein to an FCV player on the bench at halftime overheard by players on both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people think of the Mclean commitment list? Few ECNL/DA clubs across the nation can match or exceed.

Aleigh Gambone University of North Carolina Chapel Hill McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Angela Caloia Harvard University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cayla White University of Virginia McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Courtney Brown Troy University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ella Gantman Princeton University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Faith Lee Air Force Academy McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Gabriella Nastasi Morehead State University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Holly Weber Virginia Tech University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Isabella DeLew Cornell University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Jordan Beverina Columbia University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Julia Leas Georgetown University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Kendall Robertson Rice University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Macy Monticello University of Wisconsin McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Mia Pham James Madison University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Nora O'Connor New Jersey Institute of Technology McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Rebekah Myers Elon University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Serena Pham University of Alabama McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Claire Kaplan Hamilton College McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Danielle Soto Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Margaux Ameer Tufts University McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Ashley Hong Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Cadyn Westhoff Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Samantha Odeh Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Sophie Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL
Zoe Tran Uncommitted McLean YSA U18/19 ECNL

Congratulations to those girls. This is an example of a super team formed when there were only 2 club options for top level soccer in the area. The talent used to be very concentrated. For the younger girls the talent is spread across 6-7 DA/ECNL teams.

A factor to consider here is where would these girls have gone to school without soccer? Many of them may have gone to same level school for other reasons (academics or connections of parents or their private high schools). McLean soccer is full of very well connected families and many of these families have many college options for their kids regardless of sports. Point being that lists like these don’t always tell the whole story especially when the application is very strong in other facets than sports.

This is not Varsity Blues. UNC, UVA, Georgetown, Princeton and Wisconsin do not recruit you unless you can help them win an NCAA title. If Obama's daughter couldn't get on Harvard or Princeton's team no matter how strong the Obama connections are. At this level, you need to be a stand out player. Obviously, academic institutions like Harvard, Columbia and Princeton require strong academics but connections only go so far. Playing and standing out on an elite ECNL team is the main driver. This is not about going to school. This is about going to school and playing for an elite NCAA DI team that will compete for the championship.

You need to throttle down a little bit. This isn't football or basketball we're talking about.
While you can use soccer as a hook to get into an Ivy or other top academic institution, you can't get in without being able to do the work (or least seem like you can do the work).
Winning a soccer championship doesn't move the needle much for an institution; therefore, schools (especially those with high academic standards)aren't going to go for a "riskier" athlete to play soccer no matter how elite their ECNL team was.

You are a complete moron. Please move on to other forums and try to educate. As for this forum, you have proven yourself to be inept at understanding college sports. Sorry but college coaches at most DI program are building programs to win titles. Some schools have to do so with other requirements, i.e. academics (Ivies, Stanford), Service (Service academies) or religion (ND and BYU). It is assumed that players can meet the basic qualifications but to get a sport on the team, they need to be able to play. Your comment that this kids would have gotten in without having played soccer at the ECNL level is asinine at best. Princeton, Harvard, Air Force, UNC, UVA and UW are not giving up a lot on the team because some applicant can kick a ball. The caches of these teams are flying out to to the ECNL/DA playoffs to find girls who can play. If the girls can meet the academic or other requirements then they get recruited. To assume that Dorrance at UNC is not recruiting to win another NCAA title just makes you foolish. Please go away.

College coaches want to win titles. Duh!

But here's the thing, if you think the ADs and admission departments are gonna let their women's soccer coaches run wild likes its Southwest Conferfence Football, and let in questionable students because they played on an ECNL team so they can win a soccer title, you're cracked. Moreover, there is a significant difference between being competitive in the Ivy League and competing for a women's national soccer championship --- Princeton clocked in with an RPI of 27, Columbia was the next closet in the 90s --- not exactly on the cusp of a championship, so I'm guessing the players their getting are not that great (relative to other schools).

But, please expert continue to name drop and name call as you educate the rest of us.

I would check the bios of those players before you start saying “they aren’t that great.” I believe Harvard has the #1 tds recruit in the country for next year. UPenn and Princeton are traditionally competitive nationally.

Geez. do you think its the soccer that's drawing the #1 tds to the school? Hint: It's not.

Harvard was able to translate their previous recruiting efforts into #153 ranking according to the NCAA website this year. Stellar.
And by the way, Harvard also opted to take 3 out of 7 players who are foreign this year --- nothing to do with ECNL.

What’s your point? Ivy League programs aren’t competing for national championships?

This just isn't true. Several Ivy league teams have done quite well and are getting closer.

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From season the most recent season (!st column is Ranking)


27 Princeton Ivy League 11-4-2 6-1-0 0-0-0 5-3-2 0-0-0
68 Penn Ivy League 13-2-1 6-1-0 1-0-0 6-1-1 0-0-0
95 Columbia Ivy League 8-7-1 4-4-1 0-0-0 4-3-0 0-0-0
115 Dartmouth Ivy League 10-5-2 4-3-1 0-0-0 6-2-1 0-0-0
153 Harvard Ivy League 7-7-1 2-5-1 0-0-0 5-2-0 0-0-0
178 Yale Ivy League 7-9-1 4-5-1 0-0-0 3-4-0 0-0-0
190 Brown Ivy League 8-8-1 1-5-0 0-0-0 7-3-1 0-0-0
279 Cornell Ivy League 1-13-1 1-7-0 0-0-0 0-5-1 0-1-0


Src: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-women/d1/ncaa-womens-soccer-rpi

Of course, all these schools want to win a National Championship and believe at the start of the year they can do it.

Just like Vanderbilt wants to win a football national championship at the beginning of the season. Just like Rice wants to win men's basketball national championship.

Every schools wants to win. How much they leeway they are given in pursuing that championship varies school and sport.

For the Ivies, winning is not the first priority.

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I see this all the time. McLean-type parents pushing their average travel player to continue on into ECNL -- which takes anyone now -- under some pretense that their DD is begging for more soccer and just loves it. Never mind that she has never been really the top of any team, she is at least on an ECNL team and has a chance for that Ivy ...

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Millions of girls playing soccer now, ecnl, da, and other good teams and players all teams are all over the place (and growing) from under represented areas. The number of college teams is not growing much, if at all. Every school has a global reach nowadays with globalization, so you're competing with international players potentially for a spot on the soccer team. Best of luck.

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From season the most recent season (!st column is Ranking)


27 Princeton Ivy League 11-4-2 6-1-0 0-0-0 5-3-2 0-0-0
68 Penn Ivy League 13-2-1 6-1-0 1-0-0 6-1-1 0-0-0
95 Columbia Ivy League 8-7-1 4-4-1 0-0-0 4-3-0 0-0-0
115 Dartmouth Ivy League 10-5-2 4-3-1 0-0-0 6-2-1 0-0-0
153 Harvard Ivy League 7-7-1 2-5-1 0-0-0 5-2-0 0-0-0
178 Yale Ivy League 7-9-1 4-5-1 0-0-0 3-4-0 0-0-0
190 Brown Ivy League 8-8-1 1-5-0 0-0-0 7-3-1 0-0-0
279 Cornell Ivy League 1-13-1 1-7-0 0-0-0 0-5-1 0-1-0


Src: https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-women/d1/ncaa-womens-soccer-rpi

Of course, all these schools want to win a National Championship and believe at the start of the year they can do it.

Just like Vanderbilt wants to win a football national championship at the beginning of the season. Just like Rice wants to win men's basketball national championship.

Every schools wants to win. How much they leeway they are given in pursuing that championship varies school and sport.

For the Ivies, winning is not the first priority.

Are you still pitching this? No one said anything about elite academic institutions lowering criteria to recruit elite athletes. Please get off of this position. The reality is that every Ivy League coach needs to show wins. You only win if you have top talent. at elite schools, top talent needs to also have top academic credentials. On the questionnaire of every school, you have to list GPA and PSAT/SAT score. If a prospective recruit's academics are in the range the caches will dig further. Playing ECNL/DA or a State Cup team will peak interest. They will then watch a video. If they really like you they might come see you play ata showcase. But it all starts with the academics. Thatis a given. Please get with the program.