A thread of optimism: why do you think Trump will win in 2020?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean jeez - Rasmussen (Rasmussen!) has Elizabeth Warren beating Trump in a general election

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html

Well, now if only "I have a plan" Warren can manage to secure the nomination in the Democratic primary race.

I find it hilarious, and a little sad, that democrats would point to current poll numbers as if it is meaningful in any way. What Democrats currently have is the euphoria of hope, thus far unexposed to any of the nasty infighting that will occur between now and the national convention to pick their nominee. What the voters have are not deep understandings of the candidates and their positions on issues, but fantastic idealized images of the perfect candidate that will defeat Trump. Look at this graph:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Remember when Beto was so rad and awesome? Remember when Kamala Harris was so inspirational, walking out of those hearings in protest, what strength! Maybe Warren is pounding down beer in her kitchen to demonstrate her down-to-earthiness, or maybe she is just trying to forget her embarrassment. What we do see is that the two leading candidates for the Democratic Party is an old socialist, and a guy who has lost every single presidential run he ever attempted, and whose biggest campaign efforts to date amounts to an apology tour.

Now I'm not saying that Democrats can't pull one out of the bag, but as of now, I'm pretty optimistic that Trump will win in 2020.

Almost as pathetic as the loser MAGA who tries to post obscure Trump approval numbers.

At least you agree it is pathetic. Who says we can't get along. I'm optimistic that we can! Just keep your composure when Trump wins in 2020.

Yeah, I don’t push poll numbers around myself. But at least I understand what probability and error rate mean.

Enjoy your delusions while you can!

There are so many trump voters who have some basic decency and they are all going against him. This guy says he actually jumped off trump train at Helsinki when Trump fawned over Putin and basically said he trusts Putin over Americans. I respect this guy.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/05/15/farmer-christopher-gibbs-trump-tariffs-china-sot-ath-vpx.cnn

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop talking about that cult thing...examine yourself first.

1) Funny enough, I am an independent, college-educated, woman and minority ... and the OP of this thread.

And we have heard of multiple similar posters during the thread -- perhaps you should listen a bit more about what results we see and appreciate.

2) Funny enough, I also favor, as a goal, both universal healthcare and comprehensive immigration reform. The problem is HOW. In both areas, what Dems are proposing is crazy -- abolishing the private healthcare that 200 million Americans have? That's a recipe for a major disaster. Promising free Medicare for all with no qualification or pay-in requirement? The country goes bankrupt. Abolish ICE? You must be kidding. Say merit-based systems are "racist"? That's racist itself. And on and on and on

About Universal healthcare: No democrat in the top rung(Biden,sanders,warren,harris,Mayor pete) have said they want to abolish private insurance. So get your facts straight. All of them want to expand medicare to include those who aren't covered and want 100% of people covered, counting all means of insurance. There should be a public option for people to fall back on if they lose their job, their jobs don't provide insurance etc. Its a shame that ONLY in America people go bankrupt paying for healthcare. Thats wrong WHEN THE WEALTHY ARE GETTING TAX CUT AFTER TAX CUT.

No one said there shouldn't be border control. THATS JUST A LIE PROPAGATED BY THE AUSTRALIAN CHANNEL. Some of them said ICE as it is Under trump has to be abolished and recreated in a way that serves Americans and still be compassionate to refugees. Know the difference and educate yourself.

Um.... Harris has come right out and said she would abolish private insurance.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/harris-private-insurance-medicare/index.html

Sanders has too....

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-damn-right-health-insurance-companies-should-be-eliminated

Not checking all the others, but since you got two wrong, it is hard to take you seriously.

Did you read the article at all. It says clearly she wants to reform private insurance as we know it. She says there shouldn't be for profit health insurance. DO YOU EVEN KNOW MOST INSURANCE COMPANIES are actually NOt for profit. You just don't have any credibility because you are LAZY.

Sanders has been saying that for 40 years. He isn't gonna be able to do it. Its like the conman promising Dreamers and illegals will be deported. HE CAN'T DO IT but he says that to satisfy the base.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are better today than in 2016, and hopefully a majority of Americans realize that.

What do you think? Is it a done deal that Trump will win again and be able to deliver 8 years of peace and prosperity?

Without equivocation, YOU ARE DUMBER than the orange pile of male bovine excrement presently occupying the White House

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are better today than in 2016, and hopefully a majority of Americans realize that.

What do you think? Is it a done deal that Trump will win again and be able to deliver 8 years of peace and prosperity?

Without equivocation, YOU ARE DUMBER than the orange pile of male bovine excrement presently occupying the White House

Oh PP, these people are too soft and don't like harsh words. Please be sensitive to their feelings. They can only dish out but can't take their own medicine.

[Anonymous]

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

+10000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No POC will vote for t-Rump in 2020. Same goes for women.

OMG, are you this out of touch?? I’m a woman who will be voting for Trump in 2020 and the vast majority of my female friends - some of them even minorities (gasp!) - have said they will be too. Your wishful thinking is getting you nowhere.

Yay! one woman and a bunch of her stories make a great statistics. But thats not the case in 2018 and the average of polls has him at less than 43%.

Keep on living in your bubble with your meaningless polls. They've served you so well in the past.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Just play with his approval interface. You see it hits 43% and it goes down, again and again. So he has a ceiling of 43% but he also has a floor of 37%. So his "poorly educated" base returns his love and won't convict him even if he shot someone on 5th avenue.

But 43% isn't gonna win him the 2020 election. more than 50% swear they won't vote for him. Thats a big problem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/441103-poll-55-say-they-wouldnt-vote-for-trump-in-2020

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop talking about that cult thing...examine yourself first.

1) Funny enough, I am an independent, college-educated, woman and minority ... and the OP of this thread.

And we have heard of multiple similar posters during the thread -- perhaps you should listen a bit more about what results we see and appreciate.

2) Funny enough, I also favor, as a goal, both universal healthcare and comprehensive immigration reform. The problem is HOW. In both areas, what Dems are proposing is crazy -- abolishing the private healthcare that 200 million Americans have? That's a recipe for a major disaster. Promising free Medicare for all with no qualification or pay-in requirement? The country goes bankrupt. Abolish ICE? You must be kidding. Say merit-based systems are "racist"? That's racist itself. And on and on and on

About Universal healthcare: No democrat in the top rung(Biden,sanders,warren,harris,Mayor pete) have said they want to abolish private insurance. So get your facts straight. All of them want to expand medicare to include those who aren't covered and want 100% of people covered, counting all means of insurance. There should be a public option for people to fall back on if they lose their job, their jobs don't provide insurance etc. Its a shame that ONLY in America people go bankrupt paying for healthcare. Thats wrong WHEN THE WEALTHY ARE GETTING TAX CUT AFTER TAX CUT.

No one said there shouldn't be border control. THATS JUST A LIE PROPAGATED BY THE AUSTRALIAN CHANNEL. Some of them said ICE as it is Under trump has to be abolished and recreated in a way that serves Americans and still be compassionate to refugees. Know the difference and educate yourself.

Um.... Harris has come right out and said she would abolish private insurance.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/harris-private-insurance-medicare/index.html

Sanders has too....

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-damn-right-health-insurance-companies-should-be-eliminated

Not checking all the others, but since you got two wrong, it is hard to take you seriously.

+1.

Apparently the cult member doesn't realize which cult he joined

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No POC will vote for t-Rump in 2020. Same goes for women.

OMG, are you this out of touch?? I’m a woman who will be voting for Trump in 2020 and the vast majority of my female friends - some of them even minorities (gasp!) - have said they will be too. Your wishful thinking is getting you nowhere.

Yay! one woman and a bunch of her stories make a great statistics. But thats not the case in 2018 and the average of polls has him at less than 43%.

Keep on living in your bubble with your meaningless polls. They've served you so well in the past.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Just play with his approval interface. You see it hits 43% and it goes down, again and again. So he has a ceiling of 43% but he also has a floor of 37%. So his "poorly educated" base returns his love and won't convict him even if he shot someone on 5th avenue.

But 43% isn't gonna win him the 2020 election. more than 50% swear they won't vote for him. Thats a big problem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/441103-poll-55-say-they-wouldnt-vote-for-trump-in-2020

PP, Many trumpsters here don't like any stats, polls, numbers, probability. None of that is equal to their biased hunch. Let them be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are better today than in 2016, and hopefully a majority of Americans realize that.

What do you think? Is it a done deal that Trump will win again and be able to deliver 8 years of peace and prosperity?

Without equivocation, YOU ARE DUMBER than the orange pile of male bovine excrement presently occupying the White House

Thank you for the compliment.

I am switching sides because, as we have seen in this whole thread, on side is capable of reasoning and civility and the other, well, seems to have other talents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop talking about that cult thing...examine yourself first.

1) Funny enough, I am an independent, college-educated, woman and minority ... and the OP of this thread.

And we have heard of multiple similar posters during the thread -- perhaps you should listen a bit more about what results we see and appreciate.

2) Funny enough, I also favor, as a goal, both universal healthcare and comprehensive immigration reform. The problem is HOW. In both areas, what Dems are proposing is crazy -- abolishing the private healthcare that 200 million Americans have? That's a recipe for a major disaster. Promising free Medicare for all with no qualification or pay-in requirement? The country goes bankrupt. Abolish ICE? You must be kidding. Say merit-based systems are "racist"? That's racist itself. And on and on and on

About Universal healthcare: No democrat in the top rung(Biden,sanders,warren,harris,Mayor pete) have said they want to abolish private insurance. So get your facts straight. All of them want to expand medicare to include those who aren't covered and want 100% of people covered, counting all means of insurance. There should be a public option for people to fall back on if they lose their job, their jobs don't provide insurance etc. Its a shame that ONLY in America people go bankrupt paying for healthcare. Thats wrong WHEN THE WEALTHY ARE GETTING TAX CUT AFTER TAX CUT.

No one said there shouldn't be border control. THATS JUST A LIE PROPAGATED BY THE AUSTRALIAN CHANNEL. Some of them said ICE as it is Under trump has to be abolished and recreated in a way that serves Americans and still be compassionate to refugees. Know the difference and educate yourself.

Um.... Harris has come right out and said she would abolish private insurance.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/harris-private-insurance-medicare/index.html

Sanders has too....

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-damn-right-health-insurance-companies-should-be-eliminated

Not checking all the others, but since you got two wrong, it is hard to take you seriously.

+1.

Apparently the cult member doesn't realize which cult he joined

Except the PP and you have Reading comprehension issues. Harris only says she wants to reform the "FOR PROFIT Insurance companies. In America Medicare is the largest insurer, followed by non-profit insurnace companies such as BCBS, Medicaid etc. the share of FOR PROFIT insurance companies aren't big. Why would you want FOR PROFIT insurance companies that profit by not paying for patients when they are sick?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are better today than in 2016, and hopefully a majority of Americans realize that.

What do you think? Is it a done deal that Trump will win again and be able to deliver 8 years of peace and prosperity?

Without equivocation, YOU ARE DUMBER than the orange pile of male bovine excrement presently occupying the White House

Thank you for the compliment.

I am switching sides because, as we have seen in this whole thread, on side is capable of reasoning and civility and the other, well, seems to have other talents.

Not PP. Really? You are a conned Trumpster from the beginning. We know you. Trying to pulla con job doesn't like the same way your master pulled a fast one on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are better today than in 2016, and hopefully a majority of Americans realize that.

What do you think? Is it a done deal that Trump will win again and be able to deliver 8 years of peace and prosperity?

Without equivocation, YOU ARE DUMBER than the orange pile of male bovine excrement presently occupying the White House

Thank you for the compliment.

I am switching sides because, as we have seen in this whole thread, on side is capable of reasoning and civility and the other, well, seems to have other talents.

Civility from the party of the name calling juvenile, tweeting like mad from the white house. Yeah right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

And yet he lost by 3 million votes. He just got lucky in 3 states to be selected by EC. If not for Comey reopening email case 10 days before elections, he would be toast.

Can you do yourself a favor and find out how many Romney to Hillary and McCain to Hillary voters are there? Because its more than a wash as he still ended up with 3 million negative.
I am not surprised you are math challenged. But the Australian channel is injurious to your intelligence and basic decency. They don;t care about America. The Australian billionaire just laughs all the way to the bank thanking stupid Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently Democrats feel insane trolling after drawing Trump supporters in will change their minds.

We aren't supporting him because we love his charisma, we are supporting his policies despite his charisma.

Democrats created the foundation of the corruption you are obstructing the federal government from correcting. This will cause a chain reaction causing one group of voters to double down invisible to Coastal Elites.

Meh.

Yeah that’s the problem. You don’t care about any decency, civility, decorum of high office, corruption, fraud, lies and attack on democracy or even being a Russia puppet . Then what morals you have ? The so called party of morals.

But for the unpopular tax cuts for the rich and harassing of brown refugees THERE is nothing he has done. Everything is just a pie in the sky, reality TV marketing. No wall has been built but he lies about it. Chinese trade deficit is at the highest but he lies that its great. I can go on and on.

Have some shame and basic integrity, otherwise you are just whores selling your soul to the conman.

DP: Reported this stupid and hateful post

There is no hate in that post but just truth. You can’t handle truth. I am sad the country has come down to this. It is sadness at the so much lies, hate and corruption coming from the highest office. Why don’t you be honest for a minute ? Would you be OK if Obama did all that Drumof is doing? If not, then you are the issue.

IMO you are, using your own language, the whore selling your soul to the conman. Remember who was the President while the Russian interference took place? Remember who helped create and ignore ISIS? Remember who promoted anti-police rethoric and violence that resulted in dozens of cop deaths and increased murder rates in dozens of cities? Remember who stole health insurance from millions of Americans and imposed heavy fines on millions more for not being able to afford crazy high premiums?

Yup, Obama.

No wonder so many voters didn't want a Dem third term.

PP, you can't take any moral high ground here. Obama was called racist names and harassed by the supremacists JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Imagine if Obama is like Trump, you think he could come anywhere close to even be selected by the EC? No chance. But the republicans, so called moral people, didn't care two hoots about a morally depraved man becoming president. People like you lose all credibility as long as you support Trump. No amount of trying to explain away Trump is gonna work simply because he is tweeting crap and destroying any defense you could build for him.

I do not want my America to be represented by such a person, democrat or republican. period. Why do you want us to be represented by a crook? I mean, we have many decent people. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, any one of them will represent America better. BUT NOT THIS MAN.

OMG, don't you read your own newspapers? Where do you get your "news and analysis" from - CNN?

Here. Discover why 8-9 million Americans who voted Obama twice chose to vote Trump in 2016.

You may learn a thing or two:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html

A couple more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/27/opinion/trumps-formidable-2020-tailwind.html

Next time someone like McCain or Romney becomes a candidate, be true to your word and give them a chance instead of insulting them the typical Dem way, will you?