APS Boundary tool--anyone get it to work yet?

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Is this what rich white people are obsessing about these days?

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, guys, this is the equivalent of shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. Not too long from now there won't be any seats for over a thousand kids. I have no faith in the SB's CIP that magically promises 1300 seats in 2022. We're all going to be screwed when that happens, so let's try to work together.

+1000. I also agree with the PP who suggested that they should put IB at Wakefield-- that would create socio-economic diversity without these awful boundary fights.

... will it? I think some families have used IB to get out of Wakefield. I agree that a coveted program could be a huge benefit.

I am the posted who thinks APS should consider sending IB program to Wakefield. I think Wakefield families used it to get out of Wakefield and also so their kids could be with other high-performing kids. I think parents from Yorktown used it to get their kids into a more diverse school district and/or to have their kids participate in an "exclusive" program. Now they can put their money where their mouth is on IB - that is, are they really in it for the program? If so, then you are getting white/rich kids/families to volunteer for or remain at Wakefield. Hopefully you are also doing outreach at Wakefield to make sure other kids know about the program, and hopefully feeder middle schools with high numbers of minorities and lower SES can also groom for it and maybe it would draw more of these kids eventually. That's a path to higher overall performance at all three high schools. Yorktown and WL will always perform well given the local demographics.

I am not opposed to your proposal but I believe at the last few meetings I watched online aps folks explained they couldn't just move ib out of wl because it was integrated into the entire curriculum. For example a wl teacher might teach one ib class along with other non ib subject classes. The would need to move the teachers over (provided teachers would even be willing to do something like that). Also I thought they put it in WL because it is in the middle of the county. Not that I think it would help draw more kids to wakefield. As long as there are ap level classes at wl for my kid I wouldn't be enthused about sending my kids across town not even looking at demographics.

If it were more of a tj which isn't easy to just create, I think more might consider traveling across town. But tj might be diverse but it selects out the smarter students more than an ib school does.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, guys, this is the equivalent of shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. Not too long from now there won't be any seats for over a thousand kids. I have no faith in the SB's CIP that magically promises 1300 seats in 2022. We're all going to be screwed when that happens, so let's try to work together.

+1000. I also agree with the PP who suggested that they should put IB at Wakefield-- that would create socio-economic diversity without these awful boundary fights.

... will it? I think some families have used IB to get out of Wakefield. I agree that a coveted program could be a huge benefit.

I am the posted who thinks APS should consider sending IB program to Wakefield. I think Wakefield families used it to get out of Wakefield and also so their kids could be with other high-performing kids. I think parents from Yorktown used it to get their kids into a more diverse school district and/or to have their kids participate in an "exclusive" program. Now they can put their money where their mouth is on IB - that is, are they really in it for the program? If so, then you are getting white/rich kids/families to volunteer for or remain at Wakefield. Hopefully you are also doing outreach at Wakefield to make sure other kids know about the program, and hopefully feeder middle schools with high numbers of minorities and lower SES can also groom for it and maybe it would draw more of these kids eventually. That's a path to higher overall performance at all three high schools. Yorktown and WL will always perform well given the local demographics.

I am not opposed to your proposal but I believe at the last few meetings I watched online aps folks explained they couldn't just move ib out of wl because it was integrated into the entire curriculum. For example a wl teacher might teach one ib class along with other non ib subject classes. The would need to move the teachers over (provided teachers would even be willing to do something like that). Also I thought they put it in WL because it is in the middle of the county. Not that I think it would help draw more kids to wakefield. As long as there are ap level classes at wl for my kid I wouldn't be enthused about sending my kids across town not even looking at demographics.

If it were more of a tj which isn't easy to just create, I think more might consider traveling across town. But tj might be diverse but it selects out the smarter students more than an ib school does.

NP. It is true that teachers need to be certified to teach IB, so the teachers would need to move to Wakefield (or a whole new set would need to be certified). However, it's not clear to me why this is an unworkable problem. Those teachers could be transferred to Wakefield, and some Wakefield teachers, presumably some with AP experience, could be transferred to W-L. Why not?

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There are children in south Arlington who never leave ESOL. IB isn't really a great fit for Wakefield.

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Anonymous wrote:The county's Committed affordable units does not equal- increase in FARMS.
The county's commitment to affordable housing does not increase the concentration of poverty, or harm the schools.
(if the county is also increasing density- that can harm the schools.)
CAF's improve school outcome b/c they greatly increase housing stability- meaning that students stay in the same apt instead of moving constantly and thereby switching schools.

I see your Google alert finally went off.

It does when you turn one and two bedrooms into two and three bedrooms. It does when you build new CAF's on top of what was once a parking lot, or where a church once stood. The market rate units (MARKs) are NOT being torn down. They are still occupied, even after the rent goes up marginally to a rate that is no longer classified "affordable." Still there, occupied by somebody, plus all the new units. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I do not believe that the children who live in AH harm schools, but corralling them all into a handful of planning units absolutely DOES concentrate poverty. Businesses don't want to locate there. And it destablizies the middle class neighborhoods that are zoned to the same schools. My neighbors here in south Arlington are not afraid of poor kids. They are not afraid of ESL kids. They just think EVERYONE does better in economically integrated neighborhoods and schools, and unlike those who live in CAFs they have the option to move. And they do, and mostly to the walk zones around W-L, fueling overcrowding at ES, MS, and HS levels.

I get it, you have interests to protect. It's not like the CEO's of these non-profits live in the neighborhoods in which they build. They're over in 22207, if they live in Arlington at all. And the money they raise and the power they wield also emanates from 22207. You want Arlington to be affordable for your household staff, but you're not going to invite them to live in accessory dwelling units above your garage, or heaven forbid, send their kids to the same school as yours. That would be a bridge too far. I get it, it's a pretty sweet deal you have going on. You build, build, build, with no risk. There is literally no downside. If you fuck it up, the county comes along to bail you out. It's not like they're going to let a grandmother and the three blind triplets who are her wards get thrown into the street. You are too essential to fail. There's no competition, because you've spent decades making inroads into every single corner of the county government. And you don't want to risk the considerable ire of your neighbors and fuck up a good thing by advocating for integration. Heaven forbid.

I live this everyday. The kids who live in AH are my child's classmates and friends. They are wonderful, bright kids who are trying so hard and enjoying enormous success. I love them. I welcome them. But they don't want to be rezoned to Wakefield any more than your kids do. They want to be at the "best" and most diverse school in Arlington, too. They didn't sacrifice so much to come here just to limit their child's educational opportunities. There just isn't a large enough cohort of high-achieving kids ("high-achieving" as measured by test scores like the SOLs and SATs) at Wakefield yet to ensure that their opportunity won't be limited by a move to Wakefield. Want to take Latin? Nope, sorry we don't have enough kids interested. Want engineering? Nope, sorry, but may be you can get on a bus and take some classes off campus. AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH COHORT IF YOU SCARE ALL THE MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES OUT OF SOUTH ARLINGTON by engineering a school into economic apartheid. We're not here to be your alternative to a pressure-cooker environment. You don't get to have all the choices. You want something other than your zoned school with a more "welcoming" atmosphere? Pony up for an alternative private school.

In summary, you are a lying liar who lies. Housing Policy is School Policy. We all know it, and now we have the map to prove it. And while many will not care, at least they can't pretend that they don't know any longer.

[Anonymous]

^^^ I think I know who this is, and I love it when they come here and lay the smack down.

[Anonymous]

Would you please list the names of the people in 22207 who are building up these units before you launch such a long ass diatribe?

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I have been waiting for that. Truth.

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Anonymous wrote:There are children in south Arlington who never leave ESOL. IB isn't really a great fit for Wakefield.

It's not supposed to be a "great fit." It's supposed to relieve overcrowding at W-L.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you please list the names of the people in 22207 who are building up these units before you launch such a long ass diatribe?

Np- look it up yourself. It's not a secret or even some hidden conspiracy. It's just the Arlington status quo.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, guys, this is the equivalent of shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. Not too long from now there won't be any seats for over a thousand kids. I have no faith in the SB's CIP that magically promises 1300 seats in 2022. We're all going to be screwed when that happens, so let's try to work together.

+1000. I also agree with the PP who suggested that they should put IB at Wakefield-- that would create socio-economic diversity without these awful boundary fights.

... will it? I think some families have used IB to get out of Wakefield. I agree that a coveted program could be a huge benefit.

I am the posted who thinks APS should consider sending IB program to Wakefield. I think Wakefield families used it to get out of Wakefield and also so their kids could be with other high-performing kids. I think parents from Yorktown used it to get their kids into a more diverse school district and/or to have their kids participate in an "exclusive" program. Now they can put their money where their mouth is on IB - that is, are they really in it for the program? If so, then you are getting white/rich kids/families to volunteer for or remain at Wakefield. Hopefully you are also doing outreach at Wakefield to make sure other kids know about the program, and hopefully feeder middle schools with high numbers of minorities and lower SES can also groom for it and maybe it would draw more of these kids eventually. That's a path to higher overall performance at all three high schools. Yorktown and WL will always perform well given the local demographics.

I am not opposed to your proposal but I believe at the last few meetings I watched online aps folks explained they couldn't just move ib out of wl because it was integrated into the entire curriculum. For example a wl teacher might teach one ib class along with other non ib subject classes. The would need to move the teachers over (provided teachers would even be willing to do something like that). Also I thought they put it in WL because it is in the middle of the county. Not that I think it would help draw more kids to wakefield. As long as there are ap level classes at wl for my kid I wouldn't be enthused about sending my kids across town not even looking at demographics.

If it were more of a tj which isn't easy to just create, I think more might consider traveling across town. But tj might be diverse but it selects out the smarter students more than an ib school does.

I was under the impression that the IB program originated at W-L (mid-late 90s?) because the faculty and W-L community requested the program, not because APS was pushing for it. If that's the case (anyone can correct me if I'm wrong), it becomes more difficult to justify moving the program to another school.

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Anonymous wrote:There are children in south Arlington who never leave ESOL. IB isn't really a great fit for Wakefield.

It's not like those kids are killing AP exams so it really doesn't matter.

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Anonymous wrote:There are children in south Arlington who never leave ESOL. IB isn't really a great fit for Wakefield.

It's not like those kids are killing AP exams so it really doesn't matter.

My point was that an liberal arts comprehensive program wasn't a great fit for existing community. Something math/science related would make more sense.

[Anonymous]

Ha. I'm the one who posted that affordable housing is not the cause of high Farms rates. I don't profit from it, nor do I live in 22207, but I do wholeheartedly support AH policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys, guys, this is the equivalent of shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic. Not too long from now there won't be any seats for over a thousand kids. I have no faith in the SB's CIP that magically promises 1300 seats in 2022. We're all going to be screwed when that happens, so let's try to work together.

+1000. I also agree with the PP who suggested that they should put IB at Wakefield-- that would create socio-economic diversity without these awful boundary fights.

... will it? I think some families have used IB to get out of Wakefield. I agree that a coveted program could be a huge benefit.

I am the posted who thinks APS should consider sending IB program to Wakefield. I think Wakefield families used it to get out of Wakefield and also so their kids could be with other high-performing kids. I think parents from Yorktown used it to get their kids into a more diverse school district and/or to have their kids participate in an "exclusive" program. Now they can put their money where their mouth is on IB - that is, are they really in it for the program? If so, then you are getting white/rich kids/families to volunteer for or remain at Wakefield. Hopefully you are also doing outreach at Wakefield to make sure other kids know about the program, and hopefully feeder middle schools with high numbers of minorities and lower SES can also groom for it and maybe it would draw more of these kids eventually. That's a path to higher overall performance at all three high schools. Yorktown and WL will always perform well given the local demographics.

I am not opposed to your proposal but I believe at the last few meetings I watched online aps folks explained they couldn't just move ib out of wl because it was integrated into the entire curriculum. For example a wl teacher might teach one ib class along with other non ib subject classes. The would need to move the teachers over (provided teachers would even be willing to do something like that). Also I thought they put it in WL because it is in the middle of the county. Not that I think it would help draw more kids to wakefield. As long as there are ap level classes at wl for my kid I wouldn't be enthused about sending my kids across town not even looking at demographics.

If it were more of a tj which isn't easy to just create, I think more might consider traveling across town. But tj might be diverse but it selects out the smarter students more than an ib school does.

I was under the impression that the IB program originated at W-L (mid-late 90s?) because the faculty and W-L community requested the program, not because APS was pushing for it. If that's the case (anyone can correct me if I'm wrong), it becomes more difficult to justify moving the program to another school.

Interesting historical note, but pretty sure the community and faculty are different now. Also I'd remind everyone that H-B was set up for students who were "bright but bored" and look what it's become. Things evolve over time.