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Anonymous wrote:When Claudio Reyna unveiled the U.S. Soccer curriculum, he warned against "overdribbling." A bunch of coaches muttered that it seemed like a strange thing to discourage. He pointed out that if you watch Barcelona, you don't see a bunch of people taking 10 touches on the ball. It's one- or two-touch, then pass.

All things in moderation, really.


Obviously, you did not read the prior link with Thierry Henry (Barcelona player) and Mia Hamm...that is true with Barcelona UNTIL they are in top third attacking portion of the field. Then- they let their forwards do their thing- take in players, etc.


Take it up with Reyna.

Henry passed brilliantly with the Red Bulls, FWIW.


Red Bulls vs Barcelona. Seriously? MLS is where the come out to pasture.


If you didn't see Henry with the Red Bulls, it's your loss.

In any case, neither Barcelona nor the Red Bulls is the team I think of when I think of Henry. I've got a different jersey with his name on it.

Back to the point -- hey, take it up with Claudio Reyna, who also finished his career with the Red Bulls.

And I agree with those who think "one-touch" is a little extreme at early ages. So is never passing the ball.


Our top scorer at U-9 also has most of the assists and is well-liked and looked up to by his teammates. If he can't take it in or a player is wide open--he dishes the ball off. When the team is up by a lot---even if he has a wide open shot he'll dish it off to a teammate that doesn't have many goals. Unfortunately- there are a few kids that will never (as if their life depended on it) pass the ball to him- even when he's wide open in front of the goal. I later heard there are some parents telling their kids not to pass to him. Parents are pissed he scores 90% of the teams goals even when he creates them himself. That is so piss poor.

I don't get that mentality since I grew up as a low-scoring--but very high assists-midfielder on a top (multiple state and region titles) and loved that our striker would put it in the net. We were a team and she was just as genuine and didn't have a chip on her shoulder. Anyone who had played the sport knows it takes every player on the field to make it.

Every successful striker (like the one outlined above) in his younger years will get called a ball hog at some point. Nature of the beast. The true ball hogs are the ones that try to replicate but always lose it and never pass.
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It's funny when you're called out for posting anonymously by someone who's doing the same.

But to give one example without naming names, Eddie actually questioned the placement of one parent's child at a board meeting when the parent started asking questions. If you know people active in the club, you should be able to find out to whom I'm referencing, And if you don't know anyone active in the club, that would explain a lot about why you think Eddie is so great.

In the travel program, there are numerous other examples of players being placed on teams either above or below where they should have been based on the parent's relationship with Eddie and the other professional staff. You can tell if an AGC had a good relationship with Eddie by seeing if their child is playing on a team above their level.
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Anonymous wrote:When Claudio Reyna unveiled the U.S. Soccer curriculum, he warned against "overdribbling." A bunch of coaches muttered that it seemed like a strange thing to discourage. He pointed out that if you watch Barcelona, you don't see a bunch of people taking 10 touches on the ball. It's one- or two-touch, then pass.

All things in moderation, really.


Obviously, you did not read the prior link with Thierry Henry (Barcelona player) and Mia Hamm...that is true with Barcelona UNTIL they are in top third attacking portion of the field. Then- they let their forwards do their thing- take in players, etc.


Yep. They get it up field and hand it off to Messi and let him perform his magic (which includes lots of dribbling).


No, barca has their pick of every gifted child in the world. So they take the kids that already have a technical base and a ridiculous touch, then indoctrinate them in their pressing/quick passing style. They don't have to focus on teaching players to take people on because they find players that can already do it. The U.S. is not yet a soccer country where the players learn the game at home from the time they can walk. To look at barca and say that is what we must do at the same age is to completely ignore the differences in culture and reality.
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Anonymous wrote:When Claudio Reyna unveiled the U.S. Soccer curriculum, he warned against "overdribbling." A bunch of coaches muttered that it seemed like a strange thing to discourage. He pointed out that if you watch Barcelona, you don't see a bunch of people taking 10 touches on the ball. It's one- or two-touch, then pass.

All things in moderation, really.


Obviously, you did not read the prior link with Thierry Henry (Barcelona player) and Mia Hamm...that is true with Barcelona UNTIL they are in top third attacking portion of the field. Then- they let their forwards do their thing- take in players, etc.


Yep. They get it up field and hand it off to Messi and let him perform his magic (which includes lots of dribbling).


No, barca has their pick of every gifted child in the world. So they take the kids that already have a technical base and a ridiculous touch, then indoctrinate them in their pressing/quick passing style. They don't have to focus on teaching players to take people on because they find players that can already do it. The U.S. is not yet a soccer country where the players learn the game at home from the time they can walk. To look at barca and say that is what we must do at the same age is to completely ignore the differences in culture and reality.


So how is the US culture of forcing passing at the U-8 level teaching our kids to take people on?

The hot bed of woman's soccer in the 80s was local and they are still some of the best US women players of all time. This was before the big clubs turned into factories.
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Anonymous wrote:It's funny when you're called out for posting anonymously by someone who's doing the same.

But to give one example without naming names, Eddie actually questioned the placement of one parent's child at a board meeting when the parent started asking questions. If you know people active in the club, you should be able to find out to whom I'm referencing, And if you don't know anyone active in the club, that would explain a lot about why you think Eddie is so great.

In the travel program, there are numerous other examples of players being placed on teams either above or below where they should have been based on the parent's relationship with Eddie and the other professional staff. You can tell if an AGC had a good relationship with Eddie by seeing if their child is playing on a team above their level.


You'd be hard pressed to find a club where this doesn't happen. It certainly happens at our club too.
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Anonymous wrote:When Claudio Reyna unveiled the U.S. Soccer curriculum, he warned against "overdribbling." A bunch of coaches muttered that it seemed like a strange thing to discourage. He pointed out that if you watch Barcelona, you don't see a bunch of people taking 10 touches on the ball. It's one- or two-touch, then pass.

All things in moderation, really.


Obviously, you did not read the prior link with Thierry Henry (Barcelona player) and Mia Hamm...that is true with Barcelona UNTIL they are in top third attacking portion of the field. Then- they let their forwards do their thing- take in players, etc.


Yep. They get it up field and hand it off to Messi and let him perform his magic (which includes lots of dribbling).


No, barca has their pick of every gifted child in the world. So they take the kids that already have a technical base and a ridiculous touch, then indoctrinate them in their pressing/quick passing style. They don't have to focus on teaching players to take people on because they find players that can already do it. The U.S. is not yet a soccer country where the players learn the game at home from the time they can walk. To look at barca and say that is what we must do at the same age is to completely ignore the differences in culture and reality.


So how is the US culture of forcing passing at the U-8 level teaching our kids to take people on?

The hot bed of woman's soccer in the 80s was local and they are still some of the best US women players of all time. This was before the big clubs turned into factories.


Did not disagree with you, just did t feel like searching back for the "moderation" post. The point is barca work on what they do at young ages because the kids they select learn to take people on when they are younger. Kids in the U.S. don't get that at home. Most American sports are coach down, pass first sports. So kids get to soccer and have to be taught the things that kids elsewhere get much earlier.
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Anonymous wrote:So how is the US culture of forcing passing at the U-8 level teaching our kids to take people on?


No such thing as one "US culture." Everyone's doing it differently.

I think you need *some* passing. Otherwise, you're still playing magnetball at U8. Then the big kids who can win the ball out of a scrum will excel, while the kids who are developing actual skills will be left out. If you're at least giving the *option* of passing, you might be able to get kids to spread out a little so it's a game of skill.
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We should encourage kids to play with flair. That can mean flicking a perfectly weighted through-ball into space or executing a top-speed Maradona with two defenders hanging on your back (I only dream of this). There's more to flair and creativity than seeing the player directly in front of you and trying to dribble past her. A curving bicycle kick every now and then can be devastatingly creative, too. We need to broaden our idea of what it means to play beautiful soccer and what the youngest players should do in games to develop. I'm weary of seeing one or two kids on a team dribble to the touchline and launch a poorly angled shot while five defenders converge and the kid's teammates twiddle their thumbs and wish they could touch the ball sometime.
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Pass the popcorn (and the scotch), this is getting interesting.
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Anonymous wrote: Just out of curiosity exactly who played soccer on an elite college team???


It's very easy to find out. Hint: Stanford. Check their media guides if you like.

Whether you're related to Eddie or just using a Disqus account that's connected to her Facebook page, please reconsider what you're doing and ask yourself if it's fair to Eddie, much less the Board members against whom you have an unfounded grudge. Do you think it reflects well on Eddie when it looks like someone in his family (considering girlfriend and girlfriend's mom as family) is smearing everyone on anonymous message boards? No.

And please don't pretend you're speaking for some majority of parents. There are a few thousand families in this club, most of whom have better things to do than argue here.

Whatever grudge you have, it's not fair to the rest of those parents for you to be here spreading nonsense about the club and its volunteers. And it's certainly not fair to Eddie, a great guy and a terrific technical director who will missed in Vienna.
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Anonymous wrote: Just out of curiosity exactly who played soccer on an elite college team???


It's very easy to find out. Hint: Stanford. Check their media guides if you like.

Whether you're related to Eddie or just using a Disqus account that's connected to her Facebook page, please reconsider what you're doing and ask yourself if it's fair to Eddie, much less the Board members against whom you have an unfounded grudge. Do you think it reflects well on Eddie when it looks like someone in his family (considering girlfriend and girlfriend's mom as family) is smearing everyone on anonymous message boards? No.

And please don't pretend you're speaking for some majority of parents. There are a few thousand families in this club, most of whom have better things to do than argue here.

Whatever grudge you have, it's not fair to the rest of those parents for you to be here spreading nonsense about the club and its volunteers. And it's certainly not fair to Eddie, a great guy and a terrific technical director who will missed in Vienna.
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Each and every individual that I have referenced, specifically the ones creating the "news release" know exactly what I'm talking about. They will never admit to the calculated campaign that they have taken part in. You've asked several times, what would they have to gain!? Control to run the club to their liking. Regardless of what a professional in tune with the trends of the youth soccer has to offer. I urge anyone considering accepting a position at vys, realize what it actually is that they are looking for. A puppet to run things the way that they want. if you do not see eye to eye with the BOD, you will be stopped in your tracks And bullied By a group acting like a bunch of middle schoolers with too much control.
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Interesting news here: Lee-Mount Vernon is taking Annandale's place in the Club Champions League --

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/lee-mount-vernon-sc-joins-club-champions-league/?loc=psw

I'm a little surprised. Lee-Mount Vernon is a nice club that does a lot of things the right way. Interesting to see their ambitions changing.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting news here: Lee-Mount Vernon is taking Annandale's place in the Club Champions League --

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/lee-mount-vernon-sc-joins-club-champions-league/?loc=psw

I'm a little surprised. Lee-Mount Vernon is a nice club that does a lot of things the right way. Interesting to see their ambitions changing.

Why did Annandale leave, anyone know? I'm still not sure what I think about CCL or whether it offers anything better than WAGS/NCSL plus regional leagues at the older ages would. Same for ASL--it's all so confusing trying to keep track of the various leagues nowadays.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting news here: Lee-Mount Vernon is taking Annandale's place in the Club Champions League --

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/lee-mount-vernon-sc-joins-club-champions-league/?loc=psw

I'm a little surprised. Lee-Mount Vernon is a nice club that does a lot of things the right way. Interesting to see their ambitions changing.


Interesting. In my (albeit limited) experience, the quality of play of the L-MV teams was not that high.
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting news here: Lee-Mount Vernon is taking Annandale's place in the Club Champions League --

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/lee-mount-vernon-sc-joins-club-champions-league/?loc=psw

I'm a little surprised. Lee-Mount Vernon is a nice club that does a lot of things the right way. Interesting to see their ambitions changing.

Why did Annandale leave, anyone know? I'm still not sure what I think about CCL or whether it offers anything better than WAGS/NCSL plus regional leagues at the older ages would. Same for ASL--it's all so confusing trying to keep track of the various leagues nowadays.


I definitely think that at the younger ages a lot of the strongest teams are not in CCL.
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