Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honesty is the best, I am certain that all the kids who found eligible were prepared for the tests one way or another, even with the new FxAT, no exception.

Interesting certitude, which would suggest you don't know the truly gifted population very well. Most don't have to prep and usually don't have the personalities for it. Best not make gross generalizations based on experience with your child.

+1

No prep al all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

I'm not the PP, but those "games" of critical thinking are very similar to the critical thinking skills NNAT/CoGAT testing for. I bet they also do analogy games, like "round is to ball, as ? is to block", etc. If the teacher didn't tell PP that's some kind prep for NNAT/CoGAT, it must be a big coincidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

I'm not the PP, but those "games" of critical thinking are very similar to the critical thinking skills NNAT/CoGAT testing for. I bet they also do analogy games, like "round is to ball, as ? is to block", etc. If the teacher didn't tell PP that's some kind prep for NNAT/CoGAT, it must be a big coincidence.

i feel sorry for the kids who need this help to do well on what should be an easy test, presumably so they can be pushed into a program that doesn't suit them. can't remember the first time i saw an analogy or logic problem on a test, but do remember I always thought they were fun and no big deal. the idea that i would have had to be prepped in advance to know how to do them is bizarre. i guess maybe it would help a kid with test anxiety, but otherwise why not just see what your kid can do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honesty is the best, I am certain that all the kids who found eligible were prepared for the tests one way or another, even with the new FxAT, no exception.

Interesting certitude, which would suggest you don't know the truly gifted population very well. Most don't have to prep and usually don't have the personalities for it. Best not make gross generalizations based on experience with your child.

+1

No prep al all.

Ditto. I didn't even know prep was an option until I read it on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

I'm not the PP, but those "games" of critical thinking are very similar to the critical thinking skills NNAT/CoGAT testing for. I bet they also do analogy games, like "round is to ball, as ? is to block", etc. If the teacher didn't tell PP that's some kind prep for NNAT/CoGAT, it must be a big coincidence.

i feel sorry for the kids who need this help to do well on what should be an easy test, presumably so they can be pushed into a program that doesn't suit them. can't remember the first time i saw an analogy or logic problem on a test, but do remember I always thought they were fun and no big deal. the idea that i would have had to be prepped in advance to know how to do them is bizarre. i guess maybe it would help a kid with test anxiety, but otherwise why not just see what your kid can do?

I was wondering the same- these types of games are considered challenge homework at ES and DC really likes them. I can't imagine paying someone to "prep" on these items.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

I'm not the PP, but those "games" of critical thinking are very similar to the critical thinking skills NNAT/CoGAT testing for. I bet they also do analogy games, like "round is to ball, as ? is to block", etc. If the teacher didn't tell PP that's some kind prep for NNAT/CoGAT, it must be a big coincidence.

i feel sorry for the kids who need this help to do well on what should be an easy test, presumably so they can be pushed into a program that doesn't suit them. can't remember the first time i saw an analogy or logic problem on a test, but do remember I always thought they were fun and no big deal. the idea that i would have had to be prepped in advance to know how to do them is bizarre. i guess maybe it would help a kid with test anxiety, but otherwise why not just see what your kid can do?

I was wondering the same- these types of games are considered challenge homework at ES and DC really likes them. I can't imagine paying someone to "prep" on these items.

Which school has these types of games as challenge homework?

[Anonymous]

Not the PP, but we are a military family and my kids have been in many schools. My children have encountered "games" like this as homework in schools all over the country, including on both coasts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

I'm not the PP, but those "games" of critical thinking are very similar to the critical thinking skills NNAT/CoGAT testing for. I bet they also do analogy games, like "round is to ball, as ? is to block", etc. If the teacher didn't tell PP that's some kind prep for NNAT/CoGAT, it must be a big coincidence.

i feel sorry for the kids who need this help to do well on what should be an easy test, presumably so they can be pushed into a program that doesn't suit them. can't remember the first time i saw an analogy or logic problem on a test, but do remember I always thought they were fun and no big deal. the idea that i would have had to be prepped in advance to know how to do them is bizarre. i guess maybe it would help a kid with test anxiety, but otherwise why not just see what your kid can do?

The tests were done and over with in October. FWIW, DS started working with the teacher a few months ago. It's totally naive to think that if I wanted to prep DS for the test I would do so by having him do mazes and puzzles. I can find much more organized prep mills around the area to prep him with the best of them...

I thought I was asking a reasonable question among reasonably well-intended people. I guess that having a regular tutor or going to Kumon is OK (and even advisable, if we are to believe the whole separate thread on the topic that is currently developing) if we are to prep for schoolwork. But to do something not directly related to tests or schoolwork just to provide an extra fun challenge to kids who may enjoy it, sounds like a pitiful thing to do, according to the above comment. Oh well, Kumon it will have to be then for next year

[Anonymous]

I laugh every time. The teacher told me if it meant so much, go and prep. Hey, prepping helps!

[Anonymous]

WISC:
Verbal Comprehension --138 -- 99% - Very Superior
Perpetual Organization --131 -- 98% - Very Superior
Working Memory --126 -- 96% - Superior
Processing Speed --128 -- 97% - Superior

Full Scale -- 140-- 99.6% - Very Superior


NNAT: 135 (99%)
FxAT: 83%
GBRS: 13

What are the chances on appeal??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

I'm not the PP, but those "games" of critical thinking are very similar to the critical thinking skills NNAT/CoGAT testing for. I bet they also do analogy games, like "round is to ball, as ? is to block", etc. If the teacher didn't tell PP that's some kind prep for NNAT/CoGAT, it must be a big coincidence.

i feel sorry for the kids who need this help to do well on what should be an easy test, presumably so they can be pushed into a program that doesn't suit them. can't remember the first time i saw an analogy or logic problem on a test, but do remember I always thought they were fun and no big deal. the idea that i would have had to be prepped in advance to know how to do them is bizarre. i guess maybe it would help a kid with test anxiety, but otherwise why not just see what your kid can do?

The tests were done and over with in October. FWIW, DS started working with the teacher a few months ago. It's totally naive to think that if I wanted to prep DS for the test I would do so by having him do mazes and puzzles. I can find much more organized prep mills around the area to prep him with the best of them...

I thought I was asking a reasonable question among reasonably well-intended people. I guess that having a regular tutor or going to Kumon is OK (and even advisable, if we are to believe the whole separate thread on the topic that is currently developing) if we are to prep for schoolwork. But to do something not directly related to tests or schoolwork just to provide an extra fun challenge to kids who may enjoy it, sounds like a pitiful thing to do, according to the above comment. Oh well, Kumon it will have to be then for next year

It's not that it is pitiful, it is just that I was wondering why you don't just play games with your child yourself, or invite another child over so they can play together. I was just confused about the idea of paying a former teacher to do this.

[Anonymous]

Approaching 100.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sounds fishy to me. We did nothing related to school work, but here are some work samples? Of what, completed puzzles?

Yes, puzzles, logic problems (Tom is taller that Paul but shorter than Jack...), mazes, these kinds of things. Nothing to do with tests or schoolwork, but still indicative of DS's interests and thought process. What do you find fishy about it?

This is the first time I've heard of hiring someone to play games with a child. How did you go about finding someone to do this and what was the end goal of the sessions?

I'm not the PP, but those "games" of critical thinking are very similar to the critical thinking skills NNAT/CoGAT testing for. I bet they also do analogy games, like "round is to ball, as ? is to block", etc. If the teacher didn't tell PP that's some kind prep for NNAT/CoGAT, it must be a big coincidence.

i feel sorry for the kids who need this help to do well on what should be an easy test, presumably so they can be pushed into a program that doesn't suit them. can't remember the first time i saw an analogy or logic problem on a test, but do remember I always thought they were fun and no big deal. the idea that i would have had to be prepped in advance to know how to do them is bizarre. i guess maybe it would help a kid with test anxiety, but otherwise why not just see what your kid can do?

The tests were done and over with in October. FWIW, DS started working with the teacher a few months ago. It's totally naive to think that if I wanted to prep DS for the test I would do so by having him do mazes and puzzles. I can find much more organized prep mills around the area to prep him with the best of them...

I thought I was asking a reasonable question among reasonably well-intended people. I guess that having a regular tutor or going to Kumon is OK (and even advisable, if we are to believe the whole separate thread on the topic that is currently developing) if we are to prep for schoolwork. But to do something not directly related to tests or schoolwork just to provide an extra fun challenge to kids who may enjoy it, sounds like a pitiful thing to do, according to the above comment. Oh well, Kumon it will have to be then for next year

It's not a pitiful thing, I just dfon't understand why you had to hire someone to do it. Sounds like you're trying to have this two ways: I just hired the person to play puzzles and word games and oh by the way can I use the work products to to get into AAP? It's not really tutoring with a traditional tutor. More like an untraditional tutor I guess.

[Anonymous]

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The tests were done and over with in October. FWIW, DS started working with the teacher a few months ago. It's totally naive to think that if I wanted to prep DS for the test I would do so by having him do mazes and puzzles. I can find much more organized prep mills around the area to prep him with the best of them...

I thought I was asking a reasonable question among reasonably well-intended people. I guess that having a regular tutor or going to Kumon is OK (and even advisable, if we are to believe the whole separate thread on the topic that is currently developing) if we are to prep for schoolwork. But to do something not directly related to tests or schoolwork just to provide an extra fun challenge to kids who may enjoy it, sounds like a pitiful thing to do, according to the above comment. Oh well, Kumon it will have to be then for next year

I think the questions here kind answered your question. The same reactions might come from the appeal committee. Nobody can tell you what to do with your DC, but general rule of thumb, any kind of tutoring on the same grade level, including Kumon, are not good supporting material for AAP. If DC is in above grade level learning from some institition, that's another story.