Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone redone WISC after 1 year and encountered a change in results?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A GBRS of 8 is hard to overcome.

WISC score of lower to mid 130 easily nullify it.

So can high WISC scores overcome anything?

[Anonymous]

Yes. I've never heard of a kid with a WISC full scale over 130 (with verbal comprehension OR perceptual reasoning at least in the 120's) being denied on appeal. The GBRS is basically discarded for kids who achieve those kind of scores. Basically, CogAt, NNAT, and GBRS all approximate ability, but WISC is a true measure of IQ. If we could afford it, the county would administer the WISC to all of the kids.

[Anonymous]

PS I'm referring above to kids with extraordinarily low GBRS scores. A kid with a GBRS above 10 will get in with a lower full scale WISC (about 125+) generally speaking.

[Anonymous]

i don't think you know what you are talking about. 125+ WISC doesn't just get kids into the program. please tell us about your extraordinary experience with this. there are kids with 135 total cogat scores who are denied. so a 125+ wisc doesn't seem compelling enough to get them in.

[Anonymous]

PP is just making assumptions based on the very limited data available on this board

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i don't think you know what you are talking about. 125+ WISC doesn't just get kids into the program. please tell us about your extraordinary experience with this. there are kids with 135 total cogat scores who are denied. so a 125+ wisc doesn't seem compelling enough to get them in.

Really? Read the appeals thread from last year. The consensus was that 126+ was a winner. Tons of kids in the mid to high 120's got in, including mine.

[Anonymous]

yes, and i'm sure they're all 'thriving'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Basically, CogAt, NNAT, and GBRS all approximate ability, but WISC is a true measure of IQ. If we could afford it, the county would administer the WISC to all of the kids.

"Whether or not IQ tests are an accurate measure of intelligence is open to debate. It is difficult to define exactly what constitutes intelligence; it may be the case that IQ scores represent a very specific type of intelligence."

[Anonymous]

yes, the specific type of intelligence that makes you smart.

[Anonymous]

And what exactly does "smart" mean? I've seen kids with WISC scores over 120 who are just avg kids - do well in some areas but need help in others.

[Anonymous]

120's are not at all uncommon in this area. That is why parents get into such an uproar because they can't imagine how their 95-97th percentile child isn't AAP eligible. When 10-15% of FCPS students test in the 98th percentile and up, those 120's kids get edged out, but typically do great at the top of the class in general ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:120's are not at all uncommon in this area. That is why parents get into such an uproar because they can't imagine how their 95-97th percentile child isn't AAP eligible. When 10-15% of FCPS students test in the 98th percentile and up, those 120's kids get edged out, but typically do great at the top of the class in general ed.

If Local Level IV is available, these kids will often do well there, too. Some of these 120s kids' parents of these kids may get snarky about the 135+ kids not going to Local Level IV but opting for the Center, though.

[Anonymous]

LLIV is not an option at every school. For example, AAP Centers do not have LLIV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LLIV is not an option at every school. For example, AAP Centers do not have LLIV.

There are more schools with Local Level IV than AAP Centers.