Universities Really Are Messed Up (says Yale

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Anonymous wrote:Progressives avoid common sense in all aspects, especially education. And since they dominate all top colleges, this concern for reform will blow over as soon as the bullhorn brigades mobilize.

I would say the elite and leave it at that, conservatives and progressives have completely gone off the deep end when it comes to college. They stopped being about education long ago and just are just another mechanism of the elite to reinforce the caste system that exists in the US. Multi million dollar donors, questionable charities and so called commmuniity service, high priced consultants as a requirement on top of being a legacy and bastardizing sports that used to be available to all. Driving up the cost of college while pretending to help the lower income, and less we forget the ridiculous process of joining clubs onc you arrive on campus all while sucking the government dry and collecting billion dollar endowments. This farce must end.

Yeah, there are no conservatives in the universities, except for Liberty and the Neumann List schools.

The progressives and left own this mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Progressives avoid common sense in all aspects, especially education. And since they dominate all top colleges, this concern for reform will blow over as soon as the bullhorn brigades mobilize.

I would say the elite and leave it at that, conservatives and progressives have completely gone off the deep end when it comes to college. They stopped being about education long ago and just are just another mechanism of the elite to reinforce the caste system that exists in the US. Multi million dollar donors, questionable charities and so called commmuniity service, high priced consultants as a requirement on top of being a legacy and bastardizing sports that used to be available to all. Driving up the cost of college while pretending to help the lower income, and less we forget the ridiculous process of joining clubs onc you arrive on campus all while sucking the government dry and collecting billion dollar endowments. This farce must end.

Yeah, there are no conservatives in the universities, except for Liberty and the Neumann List schools.

The progressives and left own this mess.

Enjoy Liberty University!

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

Yeah, you’re conflating multiple posters’ perspectives.

I enumerated the list of problems above, none of which addressed political issues. I don’t support affirmative action for conservatives—silly and counterproductive.

That said, a university’s core mission is to critically examine ideas of all stripes with equal rigor. I suspect that a politically homogeneous faculty makes that rather difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

Yeah, you’re conflating multiple posters’ perspectives.

I enumerated the list of problems above, none of which addressed political issues. I don’t support affirmative action for conservatives—silly and counterproductive.

That said, a university’s core mission is to critically examine ideas of all stripes with equal rigor. I suspect that a politically homogeneous faculty makes that rather difficult.

Go ahead and examine conservative ideas that seem to want to destroy higher education and science. And I think they can reject ideas that are destructive to their core mission, which include supporting higher education and science research.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

Yeah, you’re conflating multiple posters’ perspectives.

I enumerated the list of problems above, none of which addressed political issues. I don’t support affirmative action for conservatives—silly and counterproductive.

That said, a university’s core mission is to critically examine ideas of all stripes with equal rigor. I suspect that a politically homogeneous faculty makes that rather difficult.

Go ahead and examine conservative ideas that seem to want to destroy higher education and science. And I think they can reject ideas that are destructive to their core mission, which include supporting higher education and science research.

You don’t get it. Sry.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

Yeah, you’re conflating multiple posters’ perspectives.

I enumerated the list of problems above, none of which addressed political issues. I don’t support affirmative action for conservatives—silly and counterproductive.

That said, a university’s core mission is to critically examine ideas of all stripes with equal rigor. I suspect that a politically homogeneous faculty makes that rather difficult.

Go ahead and examine conservative ideas that seem to want to destroy higher education and science. And I think they can reject ideas that are destructive to their core mission, which include supporting higher education and science research.

You don’t get it. Sry.

It's an anonymous forum and I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't support the destructive environment right now for science and science research at Harvard or anywhere else. And it's being done at the hands of conservatives and conservative voters. That's what I get.

It seems totally political. This one gets attacked. This one gets left alone. This one is somewhere in the middle and the calculation seems entirely political.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

He's not skipping the question. You are just asking a "why do you care so much" question. That is a nonsensical question in a debate. I might as well ask, why do you are so much that you are responding to his comments? Just move along.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

Which admissions preferences will go? Legacy? Athletics?

Athletics brings in a disproportionately high percentage of underrepresented groups, who might not otherwise attend a university.

That's not the gotcha answer you think it is.

And the rich families that get legacy admissions also fund a significant of school infrastructure that benefits all students, as well as funding significant numbers of scholarships to help poor and minority kids to attend college

Wait, you think athletes at these schools are disproportionately URM?
They are disproportionately white. and they are disproportionately affluent.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

"The committee offered dozens of recommendations, like expanding financial aid, reducing admissions preferences, zealously protecting free speech and adjusting grading policies."

Which admissions preferences will go? Legacy? Athletics?

and donors. they call all those out

At every school I have attended, my kids have attended, or family members have attended, the donors' money brought more benefits to the student population than anything your kid or my kid contributed.

Kerp your class warfare to yourself.

The universities would be far worse off without donor money from rich alumni.

If they want to donate a science lab or fund a bunch of scholarships for poor kids, let their own kids attend.

Seriously.

Money is pretty much what gives american universities the edge over universities in europe and asia.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

They are entitled to their views.
They are not entitled to tax dollars.
Those can come with strings attached.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

Yeah, you’re conflating multiple posters’ perspectives.

I enumerated the list of problems above, none of which addressed political issues. I don’t support affirmative action for conservatives—silly and counterproductive.

That said, a university’s core mission is to critically examine ideas of all stripes with equal rigor. I suspect that a politically homogeneous faculty makes that rather difficult.

Go ahead and examine conservative ideas that seem to want to destroy higher education and science. And I think they can reject ideas that are destructive to their core mission, which include supporting higher education and science research.

If harvard FA and gets too partisan, don't be surprised when the FO rolls around.

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Anonymous wrote:The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train

You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform.

Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.

1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating.

2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs.

3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students.

4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy.

I could list another 5+….

Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.

Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?

Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.

Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices?

That’s the hill you want to die on?

Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views.

I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research.

Yeah, you’re conflating multiple posters’ perspectives.

I enumerated the list of problems above, none of which addressed political issues. I don’t support affirmative action for conservatives—silly and counterproductive.

That said, a university’s core mission is to critically examine ideas of all stripes with equal rigor. I suspect that a politically homogeneous faculty makes that rather difficult.

Go ahead and examine conservative ideas that seem to want to destroy higher education and science. And I think they can reject ideas that are destructive to their core mission, which include supporting higher education and science research.

You don’t get it. Sry.

It's an anonymous forum and I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't support the destructive environment right now for science and science research at Harvard or anywhere else. And it's being done at the hands of conservatives and conservative voters. That's what I get.

It seems totally political. This one gets attacked. This one gets left alone. This one is somewhere in the middle and the calculation seems entirely political.

Of course its political. We don't expect the recipients of federal funding to be overly political and when they are, they draw the wrong kind of attention..

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We are now at a point where colleges that decide to be overly progressive will lose federal funding every time a republican is in the white house. So unless you think republicans will never win another election, colleges should probably stop being so ideologically one sided.