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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Yale report really fails to contextualize that there’s an anti intellectual movement in the US and that that movement doesn’t need to be tolerated or accepted. I agree in the general truth that college shouldn’t be $100,000/year., but to be frank, conservatives’ gripes against higher ed are half fiction or self reports of their own incompetence (lack of conservative faculty). Grade inflation is a post-covid inflation that really isn’t that important, and broadly is a bigger issue for companies that refuse to train[/quote] You’re certainly right about the anti-intellectual movement (often wrong and absurd), but you’re mistaken to cavalierly dismiss criticisms of academia. It has lost the plot in some basic, foundational respects and requires substantial reform. [/quote] Such as? It’s really telling that people here are eating up the mission change when all it does is assert that Yale does what a community college could do. They seem a bit hellbent on ruining their brand more than anything. These academics would retreat back to their offices if they heard the idiocy of the public these days.[/quote] 1. Grade inflation. Current Harvard debate has been illuminating. 2. Rampant academic dishonesty/fraud. Students and profs. 3. Significant fraud/misrepresentation in admissions, esp. by wealthy international students. 4. Lack of meaningful oversight of faculty/course offerings and uneven (at best) application of institutional standards to faculty pedagogy. I could list another 5+….[/quote] Even if all that were true, why do you care? It's a free market. Go to an institution that suits you. Just don't bother with Harvard University if you think it's stinks.[/quote] Nonsensical question. Why do people care about any issues of public concern?[/quote] Okay, way to skip the question. No one's forcing you to send your kid to Harvard. Find a place where you can respect the education and provide that to your kid if you think it's better.[/quote] Are you seriously contending that we shouldn’t discuss top private universities’ issues on a discussion forum for colleges and universities? Because there are other choices? That’s the hill you want to die on? [/quote] Okay, it's interesting that you are referring to Harvard as a top university after all the accusations about how terrible it is. I don't know if you're the same poster complaining that it's not a good place for conservative views. I don't understand why Harvard University needs to be a great place for views that basically are anti-education, anti-high-level education, anti-science, anti-Research. If that's what you're looking for, go find it, but don't look for it at Harvard. Harvard is allowed to have respect for science research. [/quote] Yeah, you’re conflating multiple posters’ perspectives. I enumerated the list of problems above, none of which addressed political issues. I don’t support affirmative action for conservatives—silly and counterproductive. That said, a university’s core mission is to critically examine ideas of all stripes with equal rigor. I suspect that a politically homogeneous faculty makes that rather difficult.[/quote] Go ahead and examine conservative ideas that seem to want to destroy higher education and science. And I think they can reject ideas that are destructive to their core mission, which include supporting higher education and science research.[/quote] You don’t get it. Sry.[/quote]
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