FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Scary to think these consultants are drawing map boundaries with the main priority being a balance in FARMS percentages. People who don’t live or commute in the area but making adjustments based on a map and likely informed by what google maps says for drive times.
I think it is cost savings that are at the top of the list. The number of students per capita is high in Fairfax county- and has been for decades. It costs more as a result. They are squeezed. Reducing bussing costs is one way. Reducing programs is another.

If I were in charge, I would seriously think about going to AP only and pick the same three languages to be offered at each high school and the same x variety of AP classes offered. That would also help reduce costs and keep everyone in their local school. Streamline everything.


Any theoretical bus “savings” would be swamped by even a year of senior grandfathering. It’s not even close. To have real savings from transportation cost would require a significant number of buses to come off the road entirely. A bus driving an extra mile or two in a day is not going to save any real money.

I wish they hired a legitimate firm to do the analysis, rather than some fly by night rubber stamp shop.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind
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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is my house is closer to Oakton and Madison and I am zone for Falls Church High school which is the furthest one. Each day I have to drive 15-20 minutes on route 50 on this crazy traffic whereas I can go to Madison and Oakton within 10 minutes. The logistic doesn't make sense at all.


They have to work with the fact that schools are located where they are located, and may not be ideally situated. You are close to Jackson MS, the feeder to Falls Church HS, even if other HS may be closer.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


It’s not just the number of families that will be impacted, it’s the intensity at which these parents will seethe at the school board F’ing with their kids.

You’re right, maybe certain school board members are too old to care about future political ambitions, but any that do will have an army of parents working doggedly against them in any future campaign.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.


DP. I guess we’ll find out. The party isn’t going to be too happy when this ends up costing them the house of delegates, the state senate, or the governorship. Could see the party taking it out directly on those who caused the margins to move enough to allow the flip.

Also, don’t forget intensity. The families who see a slight change in farms at their schools will largely be indifferent. Directly impacted families will be much more intense in their hatred.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.


DP. I guess we’ll find out. The party isn’t going to be too happy when this ends up costing them the house of delegates, the state senate, or the governorship. Could see the party taking it out directly on those who caused the margins to move enough to allow the flip.

Also, don’t forget intensity. The families who see a slight change in farms at their schools will largely be indifferent. Directly impacted families will be much more intense in their hatred.


Yet a different poster. As far as I can tell, it's the non-parent aging population who drives election results in Fairfax County. 50+ people who fondly remember FCPS vote straight blue ballot (for a good chunk of the county, there are exceptions) no matter what.

This won't change a thing for those people. They won't care.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.


DP. I guess we’ll find out. The party isn’t going to be too happy when this ends up costing them the house of delegates, the state senate, or the governorship. Could see the party taking it out directly on those who caused the margins to move enough to allow the flip.

Also, don’t forget intensity. The families who see a slight change in farms at their schools will largely be indifferent. Directly impacted families will be much more intense in their hatred.


Yet a different poster. As far as I can tell, it's the non-parent aging population who drives election results in Fairfax County. 50+ people who fondly remember FCPS vote straight blue ballot (for a good chunk of the county, there are exceptions) no matter what.

This won't change a thing for those people. They won't care.


Perhaps. Let’s see if the board’s gamble pays off for its members.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.


DP. I guess we’ll find out. The party isn’t going to be too happy when this ends up costing them the house of delegates, the state senate, or the governorship. Could see the party taking it out directly on those who caused the margins to move enough to allow the flip.

Also, don’t forget intensity. The families who see a slight change in farms at their schools will largely be indifferent. Directly impacted families will be much more intense in their hatred.


I’m mindful of the “intensity” factor but what experience suggests is that the people who care deeply about a school-related issue tend to think others care equally or can be readily persuaded to care equally. And that’s usually not how it works here. You should not under-estimate the indifference of others to your concerns or the frequency with which they simply vote a straight-party ballot.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.


DP. I guess we’ll find out. The party isn’t going to be too happy when this ends up costing them the house of delegates, the state senate, or the governorship. Could see the party taking it out directly on those who caused the margins to move enough to allow the flip.

Also, don’t forget intensity. The families who see a slight change in farms at their schools will largely be indifferent. Directly impacted families will be much more intense in their hatred.


I’m mindful of the “intensity” factor but what experience suggests is that the people who care deeply about a school-related issue tend to think others care equally or can be readily persuaded to care equally. And that’s usually not how it works here. You should not under-estimate the indifference of others to your concerns or the frequency with which they simply vote a straight-party ballot.



Fair enough. I think a Trump win would ensure enough D pushback next year to make this less of an issue.

But a Harris win plus the boundary announcement in summer of 2025 is going to significantly up the odds of another R governor and an R house of delegates and R state senate.

Let’s not forget that education is the reason that Youngkin won the governorship.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.


DP. I guess we’ll find out. The party isn’t going to be too happy when this ends up costing them the house of delegates, the state senate, or the governorship. Could see the party taking it out directly on those who caused the margins to move enough to allow the flip.

Also, don’t forget intensity. The families who see a slight change in farms at their schools will largely be indifferent. Directly impacted families will be much more intense in their hatred.


I’m mindful of the “intensity” factor but what experience suggests is that the people who care deeply about a school-related issue tend to think others care equally or can be readily persuaded to care equally. And that’s usually not how it works here. You should not under-estimate the indifference of others to your concerns or the frequency with which they simply vote a straight-party ballot.



Fair enough. I think a Trump win would ensure enough D pushback next year to make this less of an issue.

But a Harris win plus the boundary announcement in summer of 2025 is going to significantly up the odds of another R governor and an R house of delegates and R state senate.

Let’s not forget that education is the reason that Youngkin won the governorship.


Not a PP.

The thing is, do we think the individual SB members care about the govenorship or whether some exburb flips R? Probably not. Their careers are still safe, even if they try to run for BOS or house.
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Anonymous wrote:Saw this linked in the weekly newsletter. Looks like draft scenarios will be out in the April/May timeframe.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D9UJD64C86AD/$file/FCPS%20Project%20Planning%20Presentation_FINAL%2010-08-24.pdf


Just took a look at this. It looks like with the boundary scenario tool they are using when they shift boundaries it reports potential enrollment, FARMS %, special ed %, race, and home language (Slide 23). If they are looking for socioeconomic rebalancing, this tool will do it for them.



You do understand that data scientists can customize tools and dashboards to address whatever concerns an individual school board has, right? They're not going to use the same exact tool they used for Omaha in Fairfax County.


DP. The consultants were quite clear they’d be using the same software tool, developed by another company, that they’ve used on prior engagements. Whether they deploy the tool differently or focus on different outputs is a separate question.


They also agreed with Dunne that this will affect virtually every pyramid.


Which is why I don't expect it to pass. Every board member voting yes is willingly giving up any future in politics. Traditionally, the school board is a stepping stone and the members have made decisions with that in mind


If that were the case, then they never would have started down this road. I don't think they're collectively smart enough to understand the significant damage they're doing to their political aspirations. Parents won't forget this.


It’s also possible you’re exaggerating the political fallout or that fewer of the current SB members have political ambitions than their predecessors.


Lets look at Dunne. He's young and seems ambitions. The biggest issue in his district is MVHS. Using a school in Ft Hunt to fix that issue creates a neighborhood of voters angry about their kids' education and their property values. By moving any one of those schools to MVHS, he's also made West Potomac (already at 40% FARMS) that much worse and angered other voters. Since attendance islands seem to be something that the review is supposed to fix, what are the odds that FHES loses their island?


OK, let’s look at Dunne. He’s a Democrat in one of the most Democratic districts in a Democratic county. He spends some time on the School Board, and increases his name recognition.

Let’s also assume, just for the sake of argument, that as part of this boundary review the Fort Hunt attendance island goes away and FHES gets moved to MVHS. You have some people at FHES happy that the school is wealthier and some people at MVHS happier that FCPS has stopped treating it like a pariah and is willing to redistrict kids there. Conversely, you have some other people unhappy about getting moved to MVHS and a whole bunch of other people indifferent because none of this affects them directly.

So if Storck were to step down from the BOS and Dunne were to run he still gets the benefits of name recognition even if there are some PO’d parents. It doesn’t seem like a political career-killer by any stretch.


DP. I guess we’ll find out. The party isn’t going to be too happy when this ends up costing them the house of delegates, the state senate, or the governorship. Could see the party taking it out directly on those who caused the margins to move enough to allow the flip.

Also, don’t forget intensity. The families who see a slight change in farms at their schools will largely be indifferent. Directly impacted families will be much more intense in their hatred.


I’m mindful of the “intensity” factor but what experience suggests is that the people who care deeply about a school-related issue tend to think others care equally or can be readily persuaded to care equally. And that’s usually not how it works here. You should not under-estimate the indifference of others to your concerns or the frequency with which they simply vote a straight-party ballot.



Fair enough. I think a Trump win would ensure enough D pushback next year to make this less of an issue.

But a Harris win plus the boundary announcement in summer of 2025 is going to significantly up the odds of another R governor and an R house of delegates and R state senate.

Let’s not forget that education is the reason that Youngkin won the governorship.


Not a PP.

The thing is, do we think the individual SB members care about the govenorship or whether some exburb flips R? Probably not. Their careers are still safe, even if they try to run for BOS or house.


You’re probably right. Which is why the other side can just sit back and wait for this to play out, then push through vouchers.

It’s a great strategy that the Fairfax Dems are playing right into.
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