NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If you were offered fed by his speech that’s fine it wasn’t intended for you.

The reaction he got from his intended audience was overwhelmingly positive.

He’s a Christian, who gave a speech full of Christian values to a Christian college with Christian students. Both women and men were in the crowd and he got a standing ovation. If you’re offended it’s because you’re were the intended audience or you’re. It ready to come to terms with what he was saying is truth. He wasn’t saying that a women’s only purpose was to be in the kitchen as you might have seen in the 60 second edited clip of his full 20-30 min speech. He addressed men as well and said how important their role was as well. He spoke truth to the fact that most people will find more value in their family life than anything else because the people you love and care about are more important than any degree.

The only ones mad or pressed about this is the man-hating women who seem to be in abundance here and on social media, and the sycophantic men who are trying to preach feminism in order to try to get dates. Most everyone else who works, strives to be better and have a family see what he said as a basic truth and something they agree with in terms of values.

Those who disagree can have their viewpoint but it doesn’t matter, he wasn’t speaking to you or about you so you can go on knowing that. It doesn’t matter how many “I will chose the bear over the man” memes you post in your social media, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re not the one he or any of the people who likes his speech would be looking at for a relationship anyways

NP. Why is telling women they’re second class citizens to the men a Christian value to be proud of and promote? If your goal is more families and more Catholics; why spread this message?

A 60 clip of his full speech and that’s what you go? Try and watch the whole thing

The full thing cannot override the very pointed attack on the actual female students sitting right there.

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Anonymous wrote:Well his jersey is the number one selling jersey, so it means people don’t care about woke BS and support family values.

The city of KC doxxed him and no charges are being filed against the people who did and they’re getting fired at the very least.

Most men and married people are supporting what he said and we no issues.

So I hope he stays kicking in the NFL for a long time, but with a team in a city who won’t try to have him harmed.

Oh and this supposed mass exodus of women who are going to not watch the NFL now…ok…no women were anyways

Really? "Most women and married people are supporting what he said"? Where is that? I'm pretty sure you don't speak for "most women and married people."

Well I am a married feminist wife and mother and I have no issues with what he said.

Is it really so wrong for a woman to choose to stay at home and raise kids?

Are you Catholic?

No. I am an atheist.

Well, then you too uneducated to know how many things he said that are against the Catholic Church. Have you ever heard of staying in your lane?

Do not speak for Catholic women because his speech is blasphemous

I have studied catholic theology and used to be catholic myself.

Have you ever heard of not making assumptions and staying in your lane? You don’t speak for catholic women either.

No Jesus and the Church (to some extent do) and his speech was blasphemous. Natural family planning is not unnatural.

Did he actually say NFP is unnatural? But yeah, anyone familiar with Catholicism knows that he is not a mainstream Catholic. Opus Dei and Tridentines are their own thing …

His exact words: "No matter how you spin it, there is nothing natural about Catholic birth control."

WOW. this guy is loco. looking forward to whatever kind of very public meltdown he will have in the future: affair, gay, abuse, or substances. It’s not psychologically normal to embrace this kind of philosophy AND to see yourself as some kind of public crusader about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well his jersey is the number one selling jersey, so it means people don’t care about woke BS and support family values.

The city of KC doxxed him and no charges are being filed against the people who did and they’re getting fired at the very least.

Most men and married people are supporting what he said and we no issues.

So I hope he stays kicking in the NFL for a long time, but with a team in a city who won’t try to have him harmed.

Oh and this supposed mass exodus of women who are going to not watch the NFL now…ok…no women were anyways

What??

Are you some teenager just spouting off nonsense? What a ridiculous thing to say.

How ma y women you know watch the NFL? How many are going to stop watching because he said something they didn’t like? Those that do aren’t going to care or they just won’t support him.

Thinking the NFL is going to lose tons if money by women walking away is nonsense. It’s like women complaining the WNBA makes no money yet you don’t see them rushing to buy tickets.

The WNBA has sold out games and they are moving games to bigger venues to allow more tickets to be sold.

Also the NFL does not sell out games. Maybe 20% of stadium are sold out each Sunday.

What? No.
“Leaguewide, the percent of all ticketing inventory used grew from 96.7% to 98.6%”
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/01/15/nfl-attendance

And women are a huge percentage of the NFL’s audience.
“A study in 2021 by the SSRS Sports Poll confirmed that 46% of the NFL fan base was female, the highest of any professional sports league in the U.S.” This was before the Taylor Swift effect so it’s certainly higher now.
https://magazine.womenssuite.com/women-have-become-pro-footballs-lvii-most-important-fan-base/#:~:text=Women%20and%20girls%20made%20up%2046%%20of,under%20age%2035%20being%20women%20and%20girls.

[Anonymous]

To the ones who remain uncritical and accepting of this AHole's speech..

This guy said a lot of things and maybe you agree with most of it and don't believe it was offensive. However, what he DID SAY EXACTLY was that:

Women have their place in the world and that is as a homemaker. Someone who should NOT have a career/NOT make a career an option and only aspire to be a mother and wife.

For this alone, it's offensive. There were women in this school who intend to use their degrees they just received to build a career. How do you actually defend his speech in the context of this? That it's a conservative Christian school is irrelevant because his speech was not just about Christianity but specifically demeaning all female students in the audience - he's suggesting they not only wasted their time but are garbage for even considering having a career.

I mean, it's not about his entire speech that matters. No matter how you slice it and dice it about whether what he said was on pointe about Christianity, his words about women are an indisputable insult to the female audience and that in itself is outrageous. That those who defend him don't even see this or care about this is what is wrong with our society.

[Anonymous]

Just asked my DH who is a sports fan and follows football and he has never heard of Butker. I can't believe someone like this was even asked to be a commencement speaker and that he is getting so much attention. I'm guessing he loves every minute of the attention...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well his jersey is the number one selling jersey, so it means people don’t care about woke BS and support family values.

The city of KC doxxed him and no charges are being filed against the people who did and they’re getting fired at the very least.

Most men and married people are supporting what he said and we no issues.

So I hope he stays kicking in the NFL for a long time, but with a team in a city who won’t try to have him harmed.

Oh and this supposed mass exodus of women who are going to not watch the NFL now…ok…no women were anyways

What??

Are you some teenager just spouting off nonsense? What a ridiculous thing to say.

How ma y women you know watch the NFL? How many are going to stop watching because he said something they didn’t like? Those that do aren’t going to care or they just won’t support him.

Thinking the NFL is going to lose tons if money by women walking away is nonsense. It’s like women complaining the WNBA makes no money yet you don’t see them rushing to buy tickets.

The WNBA has sold out games and they are moving games to bigger venues to allow more tickets to be sold.

Also the NFL does not sell out games. Maybe 20% of stadium are sold out each Sunday.

What? No.
“Leaguewide, the percent of all ticketing inventory used grew from 96.7% to 98.6%”
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/01/15/nfl-attendance

And women are a huge percentage of the NFL’s audience.
“A study in 2021 by the SSRS Sports Poll confirmed that 46% of the NFL fan base was female, the highest of any professional sports league in the U.S.” This was before the Taylor Swift effect so it’s certainly higher now.
https://magazine.womenssuite.com/women-have-become-pro-footballs-lvii-most-important-fan-base/#:~:text=Women%20and%20girls%20made%20up%2046%%20of,under%20age%2035%20being%20women%20and%20girls.

Thanks for the statistics, yes 100% is sold out so none are sold out, wow that's bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well his jersey is the number one selling jersey, so it means people don’t care about woke BS and support family values.

The city of KC doxxed him and no charges are being filed against the people who did and they’re getting fired at the very least.

Most men and married people are supporting what he said and we no issues.

So I hope he stays kicking in the NFL for a long time, but with a team in a city who won’t try to have him harmed.

Oh and this supposed mass exodus of women who are going to not watch the NFL now…ok…no women were anyways

What??

Are you some teenager just spouting off nonsense? What a ridiculous thing to say.

How ma y women you know watch the NFL? How many are going to stop watching because he said something they didn’t like? Those that do aren’t going to care or they just won’t support him.

Thinking the NFL is going to lose tons if money by women walking away is nonsense. It’s like women complaining the WNBA makes no money yet you don’t see them rushing to buy tickets.

The WNBA has sold out games and they are moving games to bigger venues to allow more tickets to be sold.

Also the NFL does not sell out games. Maybe 20% of stadium are sold out each Sunday.

What? No.
“Leaguewide, the percent of all ticketing inventory used grew from 96.7% to 98.6%”
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/01/15/nfl-attendance

And women are a huge percentage of the NFL’s audience.
“A study in 2021 by the SSRS Sports Poll confirmed that 46% of the NFL fan base was female, the highest of any professional sports league in the U.S.” This was before the Taylor Swift effect so it’s certainly higher now.
https://magazine.womenssuite.com/women-have-become-pro-footballs-lvii-most-important-fan-base/#:~:text=Women%20and%20girls%20made%20up%2046%%20of,under%20age%2035%20being%20women%20and%20girls.

Thanks for the statistics, yes 100% is sold out so none are sold out, wow that's bad.

Also filled seats and ticket sales are different in the NFL. Google empty seats NFL.

Reason: People don't give up season tickets even when they don't go to games because if they decide to go again getting new season tickets mean they give up better seats. Also Vivid Seats and other resellers buy tickets but can't sell all of them so they are technically "sold" by the NFL reporting but nobody is "in the seat".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you were offered fed by his speech that’s fine it wasn’t intended for you.

The reaction he got from his intended audience was overwhelmingly positive.

He’s a Christian, who gave a speech full of Christian values to a Christian college with Christian students. Both women and men were in the crowd and he got a standing ovation. If you’re offended it’s because you’re were the intended audience or you’re. It ready to come to terms with what he was saying is truth. He wasn’t saying that a women’s only purpose was to be in the kitchen as you might have seen in the 60 second edited clip of his full 20-30 min speech. He addressed men as well and said how important their role was as well. He spoke truth to the fact that most people will find more value in their family life than anything else because the people you love and care about are more important than any degree.

The only ones mad or pressed about this is the man-hating women who seem to be in abundance here and on social media, and the sycophantic men who are trying to preach feminism in order to try to get dates. Most everyone else who works, strives to be better and have a family see what he said as a basic truth and something they agree with in terms of values.

Those who disagree can have their viewpoint but it doesn’t matter, he wasn’t speaking to you or about you so you can go on knowing that. It doesn’t matter how many “I will chose the bear over the man” memes you post in your social media, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re not the one he or any of the people who likes his speech would be looking at for a relationship anyways

I am a Catholic and he was speaking to Catholic women and he spoke against the Catholic Church and Catholic teachings so yes, it is my place and my lane to point out where he is wrong and blasphemous.

These crazy nut jobs are always trying to Bogart the Catholic Church because it has so much money and power. Good Catholic women and men will not allow that.

Please give exact quotes for his blasphemy.

Unlike most on this thread, I read the entire speech, found here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2024/05/15/heres-harrison-butkers-controversial-commencement-speech-in-full/?sh=371843c17937

His views are not mainstream U.S. Catholic views, and they are not mine. But they are neither heretical or blasphemous, and he is entitled to them.

I posted above what I thought was the most questionable thing he said: "...when you embrace tradition, success, worldly and spiritual will follow."

I posted above and the line I found most questionable was this:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just asked my DH who is a sports fan and follows football and he has never heard of Butker. I can't believe someone like this was even asked to be a commencement speaker and that he is getting so much attention. I'm guessing he loves every minute of the attention...

There is a whole book written about how weird kickers are and how they are not "part of the team". They don't practice with the team the same way other players do. They are often former soccer players. They generally are not allowed to be tackled so their work outs are different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the ones who remain uncritical and accepting of this AHole's speech..

This guy said a lot of things and maybe you agree with most of it and don't believe it was offensive. However, what he DID SAY EXACTLY was that:

Women have their place in the world and that is as a homemaker. Someone who should NOT have a career/NOT make a career an option and only aspire to be a mother and wife.

For this alone, it's offensive. There were women in this school who intend to use their degrees they just received to build a career. How do you actually defend his speech in the context of this? That it's a conservative Christian school is irrelevant because his speech was not just about Christianity but specifically demeaning all female students in the audience - he's suggesting they not only wasted their time but are garbage for even considering having a career.

I mean, it's not about his entire speech that matters. No matter how you slice it and dice it about whether what he said was on pointe about Christianity, his words about women are an indisputable insult to the female audience and that in itself is outrageous. That those who defend him don't even see this or care about this is what is wrong with our society.

Lol! You say this is what he said EXACTLY. Then you proceed to give no quotations from the speech but rather your takeaways. He did not say what you say he did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the ones who remain uncritical and accepting of this AHole's speech..

This guy said a lot of things and maybe you agree with most of it and don't believe it was offensive. However, what he DID SAY EXACTLY was that:

Women have their place in the world and that is as a homemaker. Someone who should NOT have a career/NOT make a career an option and only aspire to be a mother and wife.

For this alone, it's offensive. There were women in this school who intend to use their degrees they just received to build a career. How do you actually defend his speech in the context of this? That it's a conservative Christian school is irrelevant because his speech was not just about Christianity but specifically demeaning all female students in the audience - he's suggesting they not only wasted their time but are garbage for even considering having a career.

I mean, it's not about his entire speech that matters. No matter how you slice it and dice it about whether what he said was on pointe about Christianity, his words about women are an indisputable insult to the female audience and that in itself is outrageous. That those who defend him don't even see this or care about this is what is wrong with our society.

That is NOT exactly what he said.

Here is what he said, emphasis added:

“ How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, [/b]but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.”

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“ I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say[b] that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the ones who remain uncritical and accepting of this AHole's speech..

This guy said a lot of things and maybe you agree with most of it and don't believe it was offensive. However, what he DID SAY EXACTLY was that:

Women have their place in the world and that is as a homemaker. Someone who should NOT have a career/NOT make a career an option and only aspire to be a mother and wife.

For this alone, it's offensive. There were women in this school who intend to use their degrees they just received to build a career. How do you actually defend his speech in the context of this? That it's a conservative Christian school is irrelevant because his speech was not just about Christianity but specifically demeaning all female students in the audience - he's suggesting they not only wasted their time but are garbage for even considering having a career.

I mean, it's not about his entire speech that matters. No matter how you slice it and dice it about whether what he said was on pointe about Christianity, his words about women are an indisputable insult to the female audience and that in itself is outrageous. That those who defend him don't even see this or care about this is what is wrong with our society.

That is NOT exactly what he said.

Here is what he said, emphasis added:

“ How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, [/b]but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.”

***
“ I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say[b] that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

As a woman who was once 21 and as the mother of a 21 y.o. female college student, I can guarantee you that the last thing the vast majority of college-educated women that age are thinking about is marriage and children. Who is he to speak for the "majority" of women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you were offered fed by his speech that’s fine it wasn’t intended for you.

The reaction he got from his intended audience was overwhelmingly positive.

He’s a Christian, who gave a speech full of Christian values to a Christian college with Christian students. Both women and men were in the crowd and he got a standing ovation. If you’re offended it’s because you’re were the intended audience or you’re. It ready to come to terms with what he was saying is truth. He wasn’t saying that a women’s only purpose was to be in the kitchen as you might have seen in the 60 second edited clip of his full 20-30 min speech. He addressed men as well and said how important their role was as well. He spoke truth to the fact that most people will find more value in their family life than anything else because the people you love and care about are more important than any degree.

The only ones mad or pressed about this is the man-hating women who seem to be in abundance here and on social media, and the sycophantic men who are trying to preach feminism in order to try to get dates. Most everyone else who works, strives to be better and have a family see what he said as a basic truth and something they agree with in terms of values.

Those who disagree can have their viewpoint but it doesn’t matter, he wasn’t speaking to you or about you so you can go on knowing that. It doesn’t matter how many “I will chose the bear over the man” memes you post in your social media, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re not the one he or any of the people who likes his speech would be looking at for a relationship anyways

I am a Catholic and he was speaking to Catholic women and he spoke against the Catholic Church and Catholic teachings so yes, it is my place and my lane to point out where he is wrong and blasphemous.

These crazy nut jobs are always trying to Bogart the Catholic Church because it has so much money and power. Good Catholic women and men will not allow that.

Please give exact quotes for his blasphemy.

Unlike most on this thread, I read the entire speech, found here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2024/05/15/heres-harrison-butkers-controversial-commencement-speech-in-full/?sh=371843c17937

His views are not mainstream U.S. Catholic views, and they are not mine. But they are neither heretical or blasphemous, and he is entitled to them.

I posted above what I thought was the most questionable thing he said: "...when you embrace tradition, success, worldly and spiritual will follow."

I posted above and the line I found most questionable was this:

I am not posting from a secular standpoint I am posting from a Catholic standpoint.

1. I don't need quoteS to prove blasphemy, I only need 1. You don't have to be 51% wrong to be wrong. Propaganda depends on a bunch of untruths engulfed in truths so you can't decern between the 2. You only 1 blasphemous statement for it to be blasphemy. You keep pointing to truths to prove his speech was a good one. There are truths, of course, that is a requirement of propaganda

The blasphemy is that he said life began for his wife when she married him. Actually, life starts at conception, also the most important day in her life was her baptism not her marriage to him. She is called to serve god not her husband.

His heresy was much more alarming. Saying NFP is not natural, saying ivf is disordered (which has a specific meaning in Catholicism, has nothing to do with having a disorder), he says priest should not be friends with their congregation (WTF), he said you can't be pro-choice and Catholic.. you can .. you can be divorced and Catholic, have premarital sex and be catholic, be for the death penalty and be Catholic

I could go on and on and on... but I don't have to... because as we know propaganda is always a bunch of truths wrapped around lies/heresy/blasphemy ... to blind the ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the ones who remain uncritical and accepting of this AHole's speech..

This guy said a lot of things and maybe you agree with most of it and don't believe it was offensive. However, what he DID SAY EXACTLY was that:

Women have their place in the world and that is as a homemaker. Someone who should NOT have a career/NOT make a career an option and only aspire to be a mother and wife.

For this alone, it's offensive. There were women in this school who intend to use their degrees they just received to build a career. How do you actually defend his speech in the context of this? That it's a conservative Christian school is irrelevant because his speech was not just about Christianity but specifically demeaning all female students in the audience - he's suggesting they not only wasted their time but are garbage for even considering having a career.

I mean, it's not about his entire speech that matters. No matter how you slice it and dice it about whether what he said was on pointe about Christianity, his words about women are an indisputable insult to the female audience and that in itself is outrageous. That those who defend him don't even see this or care about this is what is wrong with our society.

That is NOT exactly what he said.

Here is what he said, emphasis added:

“ How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, [/b]but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.”

***
“ I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say[b] that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

I notice that you left out the diabolical lies sentence just beforehand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you were offered fed by his speech that’s fine it wasn’t intended for you.

The reaction he got from his intended audience was overwhelmingly positive.

He’s a Christian, who gave a speech full of Christian values to a Christian college with Christian students. Both women and men were in the crowd and he got a standing ovation. If you’re offended it’s because you’re were the intended audience or you’re. It ready to come to terms with what he was saying is truth. He wasn’t saying that a women’s only purpose was to be in the kitchen as you might have seen in the 60 second edited clip of his full 20-30 min speech. He addressed men as well and said how important their role was as well. He spoke truth to the fact that most people will find more value in their family life than anything else because the people you love and care about are more important than any degree.

The only ones mad or pressed about this is the man-hating women who seem to be in abundance here and on social media, and the sycophantic men who are trying to preach feminism in order to try to get dates. Most everyone else who works, strives to be better and have a family see what he said as a basic truth and something they agree with in terms of values.

Those who disagree can have their viewpoint but it doesn’t matter, he wasn’t speaking to you or about you so you can go on knowing that. It doesn’t matter how many “I will chose the bear over the man” memes you post in your social media, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re not the one he or any of the people who likes his speech would be looking at for a relationship anyways

I am a Catholic and he was speaking to Catholic women and he spoke against the Catholic Church and Catholic teachings so yes, it is my place and my lane to point out where he is wrong and blasphemous.

These crazy nut jobs are always trying to Bogart the Catholic Church because it has so much money and power. Good Catholic women and men will not allow that.

Please give exact quotes for his blasphemy.

Unlike most on this thread, I read the entire speech, found here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2024/05/15/heres-harrison-butkers-controversial-commencement-speech-in-full/?sh=371843c17937

His views are not mainstream U.S. Catholic views, and they are not mine. But they are neither heretical or blasphemous, and he is entitled to them.

I posted above what I thought was the most questionable thing he said: "...when you embrace tradition, success, worldly and spiritual will follow."

I posted above and the line I found most questionable was this:

I am not posting from a secular standpoint I am posting from a Catholic standpoint.

1. I don't need quoteS to prove blasphemy, I only need 1. You don't have to be 51% wrong to be wrong. Propaganda depends on a bunch of untruths engulfed in truths so you can't decern between the 2. You only 1 blasphemous statement for it to be blasphemy. You keep pointing to truths to prove his speech was a good one. There are truths, of course, that is a requirement of propaganda

The blasphemy is that he said life began for his wife when she married him. Actually, life starts at conception, also the most important day in her life was her baptism not her marriage to him. She is called to serve god not her husband.

His heresy was much more alarming. Saying NFP is not natural, saying ivf is disordered (which has a specific meaning in Catholicism, has nothing to do with having a disorder), he says priest should not be friends with their congregation (WTF), he said you can't be pro-choice and Catholic.. you can .. you can be divorced and Catholic, have premarital sex and be catholic, be for the death penalty and be Catholic

I could go on and on and on... but I don't have to... because as we know propaganda is always a bunch of truths wrapped around lies/heresy/blasphemy ... to blind the ignorant.

And embolden the fascists.