7/24/23 Trial of Usman Shahid -- driver who killed two Oakton teens

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Feels premature to criticize the defense attorney's arguments before we have a verdict. Maybe they'll prevail. Moreover, it's unclear if any of the people on this thread actually attended the trial.

My guess is that he advised Shahid to plead guilty but Shahid refused. It seems like he had nothing to work with and so he did his best to argue the 4 Runner driver is responsible, which is Shahid's only path to a not guilty verdict.

Was the 4 runner driver also a student at that high school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Feels premature to criticize the defense attorney's arguments before we have a verdict. Maybe they'll prevail. Moreover, it's unclear if any of the people on this thread actually attended the trial.

My guess is that he advised Shahid to plead guilty but Shahid refused. It seems like he had nothing to work with and so he did his best to argue the 4 Runner driver is responsible, which is Shahid's only path to a not guilty verdict.

Was the 4 runner driver also a student at that high school?

No; he's in his 50s I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Feels premature to criticize the defense attorney's arguments before we have a verdict. Maybe they'll prevail. Moreover, it's unclear if any of the people on this thread actually attended the trial.

My guess is that he advised Shahid to plead guilty but Shahid refused. It seems like he had nothing to work with and so he did his best to argue the 4 Runner driver is responsible, which is Shahid's only path to a not guilty verdict.

The attorney would have not been discussed had someone not posted about how great he was.

[Anonymous]

Don't poop on Greenspun. He's doing his job. I'm mad that Usman took this to trial. He didn't take responsibility for his actions. I'm sure he was only willing to plea to "no jail time" and the prosecution wasn't willing to give that deal given two teen girls died. A defense atty can't make a client plead guilty. The defense atty has to work with what their client allows.

It's a tough job psychologically (to be a crimal defenseatty). I thought about doing it, but wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I helped guilty people go free. Too much catholic guilt in me. Lots of catholic prosecutors because they grew up with clear black and white thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't poop on Greenspun. He's doing his job. I'm mad that Usman took this to trial. He didn't take responsibility for his actions. I'm sure he was only willing to plea to "no jail time" and the prosecution wasn't willing to give that deal given two teen girls died. A defense atty can't make a client plead guilty. The defense atty has to work with what their client allows.

It's a tough job psychologically (to be a crimal defenseatty). I thought about doing it, but wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I helped guilty people go free. Too much catholic guilt in me. Lots of catholic prosecutors because they grew up with clear black and white thinking.

He’s a very popular lawyer, all the other lawyers are stoping to talk to him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't poop on Greenspun. He's doing his job. I'm mad that Usman took this to trial. He didn't take responsibility for his actions. I'm sure he was only willing to plea to "no jail time" and the prosecution wasn't willing to give that deal given two teen girls died. A defense atty can't make a client plead guilty. The defense atty has to work with what their client allows.

It's a tough job psychologically (to be a crimal defenseatty). I thought about doing it, but wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I helped guilty people go free. Too much catholic guilt in me. Lots of catholic prosecutors because they grew up with clear black and white thinking.

thus.

Don't attorney's have rights on which clients to take and which not to? I don't understand why I am supposed to be impressed by some guy just because he's willing to throw darts at a wall blindly and hope they hit.

[Anonymous]

It's also very clear you are trying to give him publicity. It's backfiring. Just like this case.

[Anonymous]

I assume if the defense attorney were less skilled this would already be over by now. At least one juror wasn’t ready to wrap it up in an hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't poop on Greenspun. He's doing his job. I'm mad that Usman took this to trial. He didn't take responsibility for his actions. I'm sure he was only willing to plea to "no jail time" and the prosecution wasn't willing to give that deal given two teen girls died. A defense atty can't make a client plead guilty. The defense atty has to work with what their client allows.

It's a tough job psychologically (to be a crimal defenseatty). I thought about doing it, but wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I helped guilty people go free. Too much catholic guilt in me. Lots of catholic prosecutors because they grew up with clear black and white thinking.

thus.

Don't attorney's have rights on which clients to take and which not to? I don't understand why I am supposed to be impressed by some guy just because he's willing to throw darts at a wall blindly and hope they hit.

He's not blindly throwing darts. Every person has the RIGHT to a defense. While Oakton's speed is a huge factor in this case, it's not the only factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's also very clear you are trying to give him publicity. It's backfiring. Just like this case.

RUBBISH. You are talking to multiple people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's also very clear you are trying to give him publicity. It's backfiring. Just like this case.

RUBBISH. You are talking to multiple people.

Touchy touchy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are very few who know the conversation that occurred between Greenspun and his client (and parents who I assume are paying the bill)

But we can have a pretty good idea, if he's a high end defense atty whose main concern is not for the victims and their families...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are very few who know the conversation that occurred between Greenspun and his client (and parents who I assume are paying the bill)

But we can have a pretty good idea, if he's a high end defense atty whose main concern is not for the victims and their families...

The parents would not be privy to the conversations.

And, ethically, the defense attorney’s job is to be concerned with his client’s best interests and constitutional rights. That’s a foundational part of our country. The defendant has the right to counsel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't poop on Greenspun. He's doing his job. I'm mad that Usman took this to trial. He didn't take responsibility for his actions. I'm sure he was only willing to plea to "no jail time" and the prosecution wasn't willing to give that deal given two teen girls died. A defense atty can't make a client plead guilty. The defense atty has to work with what their client allows.

It's a tough job psychologically (to be a crimal defenseatty). I thought about doing it, but wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I helped guilty people go free. Too much catholic guilt in me. Lots of catholic prosecutors because they grew up with clear black and white thinking.

thus.

Don't attorney's have rights on which clients to take and which not to? I don't understand why I am supposed to be impressed by some guy just because he's willing to throw darts at a wall blindly and hope they hit.

He's not blindly throwing darts. Every person has the RIGHT to a defense. While Oakton's speed is a huge factor in this case, it's not the only factor.

Let's think. What are the odds that if you drive 80+ mph in an area that has crosswalks and intersections you might kill or injure someone? Oh well, so innocent some people died. Let's try to get the killer off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are very few who know the conversation that occurred between Greenspun and his client (and parents who I assume are paying the bill)

But we can have a pretty good idea, if he's a high end defense atty whose main concern is not for the victims and their families...

That is not what defense attorneys do. Everyone knows this. Do you need some more coffee? Or some lunch?