3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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OMG - this family is beautiful! Truly lovely and perfect - each one of them.

So sad and such a terrible terrible loss for this to happen to a family like that.

Yes, what a lovely looking family. Thank you for posting, I should send them a sympathy card to their church.

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt Endocrinology will be subject of major lawsuit.

Then so should the gun manufacturer and retail store.

Testosterone therapy likely played a part here

Complete speculation. I’m a female on very high levels of testosterone and I’ve never even raised my voice since taking T, let alone murdered children.

Testosterone is known to cause aggression and rage. Combine that with mental illness and a vendetta against a group and you have a potentially toxic combination. If this school was targeted by the shooter because it was a Christian school then it should be considered a hate crime.

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It has the appearance of a revenge killing by a member of that community.

Revenge is something you take out on an individual who wronged you. This 28 year old was planning to kill little as many innocent little kids as possible.

Np. I think you can seek revenge on an institution. If the entire power structure of an institution supported (or did not stop) ongoing abuse to an individual, then the individual can seek to cause as much harm as possible against the institution and people who supported it.

You can also seek revenge on someone by hurting what they love the most.

You're really making some assumptions there. Or can you supply a link that supports this narrative?

I was simply replying to the poster who said revenge can only be sought directly against a person who harmed you. I don’t agree. It has nothing to do with this specific incident and have to injection to someone reporting it as off topic to Jeff

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the first (genetically) female mass shooter in history? Or one of the first? Good god, I wonder what lead to this. Was this person on testosterone treatment? Female mass shooters are almost unheard of.

There have been a few. He’s the second trans mass shooter. Both have been trans men.

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Anonymous wrote:Australian here with a child who will be in elementary school in a few years- what I see of the USA horrifies me. Serious question, does anyone with school aged children think of moving countries to avoid the possibility of their child getting shot every time they go to school? Or do you take other measures such as sending your child to a school with heavy security where this is less likely to happen? I honestly don’t know what I would do if I lived in the USA.

Yes, all the time. Can't wait to leave.

+1. my oldest kid was accepted by University in Europe (and colleges in the US) and is about to accept the offer. younger kid will follow in due time, just hoping she survives US at this point. i totally gave up the idea that we can reach a reasonable compromise. nothing was done after multiple elementary school classes were wiped out in the past ten years. actually laws were passed to make guns even more available, like conceal carry without permit to any idiot who breathes. people here are just nuts, brainwashed since birth.

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His youngest son is near the age of the victims. I wonder if Rep Ogles is able to empathize. This should be part of his opponent's campaign material.

Not sure about posting these photos - these are young kids who aren't responsible for their parent's political views.

Pretty sure the rep posted it as a public Christmas card

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Our country is nuts and I want assault weapons to be banned. But, put in perspective, it is still extremely unlikely that my child will be killed in a mass shooting.

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https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale/

The shooter was a biological female and is referred to as such throughout the video. I will not be calling her "him."

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His youngest son is near the age of the victims. I wonder if Rep Ogles is able to empathize. This should be part of his opponent's campaign material.

Not sure about posting these photos - these are young kids who aren't responsible for their parent's political views.

Pretty sure the rep posted it as a public Christmas card

Their parents should not have posed them with guns and put them into a publicly distributed Christmas card like all the other MAGAs. I don't hold the kids responsible, it's the crazy parents who do this.

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Anonymous wrote:We don't ban cars when drunk drivers kill people while driving. We need more mental health institutions in the USA.

That's because cars have a legitimate purpose which doesn't involve killing people.

An AR-15 has no legitimate purpose in the hands of a civilian.

Let's point out that there are constant safety upgrades to cars. They are heavily controlled by the government. If a car defect causes a death, the manufacturer can be criminally charged and also sued. No such laws exist for gun manufacturers. If a gun blows up in the shooter's face due to metal fatigue or poor manufacturing, you cannot sue the gun manufacturer, they are exempt from consumer safety laws. Republicans have exempted them from accountability.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please tell me what the "doors" comment is about? I just found the thread but don't want to have to read 31 pg.

The Uvalde shooter entered the school through an unsecured side door. Some say it was "propped open" and others say it was just unlocked.

Everyone can shut up about the doors in this case as Nashville Police Chief John Drake said in a press conference today that the shooter shot through a door to gain entrance.
https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale/

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the first (genetically) female mass shooter in history? Or one of the first? Good god, I wonder what lead to this. Was this person on testosterone treatment? Female mass shooters are almost unheard of.

One of the earliest school shootings (1979) was carried out by a Female.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the first (genetically) female mass shooter in history? Or one of the first? Good god, I wonder what lead to this. Was this person on testosterone treatment? Female mass shooters are almost unheard of.

One of the earliest school shootings (1979) was carried out by a Female.

An entire generation has grown up without being familiar with "I Don't Like Monday's".

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Just saw this news and I am kinda shaken even though at this point I shouldn't be I guess.

My question is, how many shootings like this have to happen in conservative states like TX and TN before they finally ban guns?

The Answer? Sadly...a LOT more blood. Until the children of 90% of gun rights activists are dead, nothing will change. It's a lot of blood, and it's very sad.

But this is clear to me now. Uvalde changed nothing, and this poor little Christian school may change nothing. Too few dead. It sounds horrible and it IS horrible but what else am i supposed to think at this point?

Gun violence in schools is like a regularly scheduled disaster at this point.

Sandyhook was the turning point. When we did nothing in reaction to that, it was a decision that we'll just let school kids die forever so as not to interfere with some Americans' desire to own a shit ton of guns without having to do paperwork.

And the dead children's parents were tormented by scums like A-hole Jones and his supporters for years, and no scumbag republicans said a word.

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Anonymous wrote:Children die for the 2nd Amendment. The GOP has decided to sacrifice our young for men to pretend to be the punisher.

We have their thoughts and prayers. Doesn't that stop bullets or do they just call fake news when children actually die?

Per the perusal of Foxnews comments every time something like this happens, it's:

-That we don't have enough armed guards at schools ("lots of retired veterans would be happy to guard schools!") ignoring that we have mass shootings with armed guards anyways, and at other locations besides schools including concerts, malls, movie theaters, workplaces, churches, and on and on
-That we don't arm teachers (most teachers don't want to be armed, I know many of them and they have enough to worry about let alone carrying a loaded gun that kids could easily get ahold of)
-That it's our lack of family values as a country/society in the USA that is to blame (specifically democratic erosion of traditional family values)... basically a "shrug, can't do nothing about that till we have better morals!" response that is useless
-We have enough gun laws, more won't do anything

blah blah blah. Conservatives have absolutely nothing helpful to say and it keeps happening and rinse and repeat.

Tbh I just pray it happens at schools filled with the kids of Republican elites. Then only way they change their tune is when it happens to them. They don’t give a f#ck about anyone else.

That said, I wish for a world with strong gun control and an absence of school shootings.

Wow. Just wow.

Yes, I am also shocked at how ghoulish the Republican elites conduct themselves. Democrats have been begging for 20 years for sensible gun reforms and the Republicans just grow more extreme, egged on by our lunatic Supreme Court.

If we are going to have a country with mass shootings, I’m going to pray that it mostly affects those who enable it to happen and block good-faith reforms. Reap what you sow, and all that.

Multiple posters on this thread have literally said they hope the dead children have Republican parents, and you're calling Republicans "ghoulish?" I've never seen/heard Republicans hoping for dead children.

Maybe not but can you name any Republicans who would trade their right to a gun for the life of one child?

Apparently no one can name a Republican who would give up their second Amendment rights if it saved the life of one child. Pretty clear that Republicans value guns more than children.

I'm a Republican. I will give up my rights to ever own a gun, if a woman who was about to abort her baby instead committed to carry the baby to term. Is that what you are looking for? Or just a public figure/politician?

and then allow her child to live a crappy life of someone unwanted?

So the child can be shot in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans: "It's a mental health issue"

Me: "FINE then let's ADDRESS IT by providing robust access to desperately needed mental health services in this country since many Americans can't get the help they need, along with finding ways to address mental health for those who need it but aren't seeking it out, along with ensuring we have mental health screenings for prospective gun owners."

Republicans: *crickets*

No, the R's answer is "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.. no one owes you anything".

Like that idiot Boebert who lined up for welfare than deny others the help?