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11/26/2022 03:09

Subject: Re:Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.

https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

In other words, you’ve been proven to be wrong and have no rebuttal. You did “get excited” and asked for the overall admission data, which I provided and which all supports my initial point. The 21% EA number is actual data and not “horseshit.” It may not confirm to your worldview, but that doesn’t make it any less of a fact.

How have I been proven wrong? You presented a number in a completely misleading way and you knew it. That’s why you immediately pivoted to other schools.

I have no rebuttal because what is the point about arguing over these schools. If you’re going to waste time doing it, just do it in an intellectually honest way.

Other PP. I still have not seen a verified overall acceptance rate for Auburn for fall 2022/class of 2026. The 71% figure is for fall 2021/class of 2025.

According to this it was 43.74% for 2022.

https://auburn.edu/administration/ir/factbook/enrollment-demographics/historical-summaries/freshman-admission.html

The trend is what is important. This web site is kind of interesting — you can select states and years for enrollment and compare. If you pick DC/MD/VA, and compare 2019 to 2022, the number of undergraduates enrolling at Auburn increased from 492 to 540. Almost 10% in 3 years. In 2013, it was 421 (almost 30%). That’s enrolled, not just applied. I didn’t check every state, but every state I looked at had increased.

https://auburn.edu/administration/ir/factbook/enrollment-demographics/total-enrollment/by-state.html