Why are Northern Kids Flocking to Southern Universities?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

You can say this about Atlanta area, Austin area… DMV isn’t special.

Nonsense. It’s a border area.

Still silly for DMVers to so haughtily proclaim their northernness when the rest of the country wouldn’t think of them as Northern.

It's because so many of them are not even American, much less Northern.

Nice. A healthy portion of xenophobia to go with your turkey.

My point stands.

Feeling pretty Southern now I guess.

Both sides of my family fought for the United States, so not quite. I take it yours did also?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

You can say this about Atlanta area, Austin area… DMV isn’t special.

Nonsense. It’s a border area.

Still silly for DMVers to so haughtily proclaim their northernness when the rest of the country wouldn’t think of them as Northern.

It's because so many of them are not even American, much less Northern.

Nice. A healthy portion of xenophobia to go with your turkey.

My point stands.

Feeling pretty Southern now I guess.

Both sides of my family fought for the United States, so not quite. I take it yours did also?

No. Mine are immigrants but that makes me no less American than you.

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Anonymous wrote:For us it’s mostly about the money. Child can go to a better school in the south for a cheaper price. The schools are all pretty liberal so I don’t really pay much attention to the politics. They’ll be pretty isolated. But I understand those who feel differently. For me, it’s just not as important of a factor than education and affordability. I wouldn’t mind a school in the NE part of the county but it’s just too darn expensive. And I haven’t been able to talk my child into OH, PA, MI, etc. In the SE, they can get home easily and seems like a better option then flying West.

What do you mean by "better school" in the south for a cheaper price? What state schools are you comparing?

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A lot of kids from my kids' high school are going to southern schools. All the ones I know personally either got full rides or full tuition scholarships. Most people I know aren't really into all the "top this or top that" stuff and just want a degree. They can get into some really good schools, but choose free instead. Many of the kids in our area have seen folks struggle to pay off loans and know how hard that is, so they aren't willing to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

+ another--grew up here and have lived here most of my life. Never even gave any thought to whether we were northern or southern, nor have I ever heard any friends from this area make any comments to that effect.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

You can say this about Atlanta area, Austin area… DMV isn’t special.

Nonsense. It’s a border area.

Still silly for DMVers to so haughtily proclaim their northernness when the rest of the country wouldn’t think of them as Northern.

It's because so many of them are not even American, much less Northern.

Nice. A healthy portion of xenophobia to go with your turkey.

My point stands.

Just because someone is foreign born doesn’t mean they aren’t American.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

+ another--grew up here and have lived here most of my life. Never even gave any thought to whether we were northern or southern, nor have I ever heard any friends from this area make any comments to that effect.

Well apparently people on DCUM are very, very keen to let you know that they and their kids are "Northern." Hence the title of this post, and other comments like it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

Northern Virginia is very very similar to the atlanta suburbs!

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My kids were interested only in Ivy, MIT, and Stanford. Nothing against others and my H did MD/MBA at Duke. Listen to your children.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids were interested only in Ivy, MIT, and Stanford. Nothing against others and my H did MD/MBA at Duke. Listen to your children.

Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

Also Delmarva is a specific designation for the peninsula, not a substitute for “DMV”.

totally aware

I specifically said Delmarva - I lived in DE for 8 years

DE is one of the most racially segregated and outwardly racist states.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

Also Delmarva is a specific designation for the peninsula, not a substitute for “DMV”.

totally aware

I specifically said Delmarva - I lived in DE for 8 years

DE is one of the most racially segregated and outwardly racist states.

I wasn’t suggesting people go live there. It was just whether it was northern or southern.

Fwiw, my neighborhood was diverse as were the schools I attended across the line in MD before attending the parochial hs I had been told I was going to all along for the better academics (we moved into DE right before I started - 2 miles east)

Like VA, there is a big difference between northern DE and southern DE (Sussex, where the beaches are). Slower lower is where you are more likely to see confederate flags

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Anonymous wrote:Ok? Other than being in VA, the northern VA burbs are not like the rest of the south in any way.

That said, I grew up in Delmarva and live in (I have lived in all 3), which most people know as the mid-Atlantic. I think most would consider it neutral territory.

Northern Virginia is very very similar to the atlanta suburbs!

Nova suburbs are more similar to Atlanta suburbs than they are to Bostonian suburbs

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People choose colleges primarily based on economics, rank, and majors offered. If there is really any increased movement south, then it's probably because they can get more school for the money.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a well-respected, albeit large, university in the Northeast. I cannot fault these kids who want to attend a flagship school in the south with (gasp) an SEC football team. Living in DC, I’ve had an opportunity to accompany co-workers and friends to “real” college football games and it’s a game changer (for lack of a better word). School spirit oozes from those schools and it completely permeates everything about the college experience. Then, after college, it gives graduates something to bond over. You don’t have that with the SUNY schools, for example.

Um, have you ever been to a football game at Michigan or Notre Dame or Wisconsin or Ohio State? It's a "real" college football experience just like in the SEC, except the students may have to bundle up (which is hardly a big deal).

The PP wasn't talking about those schools. They were talking about schools like SUNY schools. Sure, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Ohio State provide great football experiences. Many students pick those schools for the football fan experience. They are also much harder to get into than the Southern schools being discussed, so I'm not sure how their football culture is relevant.

What? None of those schools are harder to get into than UT Austin or North Carolina. After this year, you can add Georgia, Georgia Tech and Florida to that list, too. Probably some others. Last year, Auburn’s early acceptance rate was 25%.

Why don’t you share the overall acceptance rate for auburn with the class?

Auburn had an overall acceptance rate last year of 71%. Ohio State has an acceptance rate of 68%. OSU sends a lot of students to their “regional” campuses, which makes their acceptance rate for the main campus look lower.

Auburn received 150% more applications last year than 2 years before, and their enrollment has increased by 25% since 2012.

https://www.al.com/educationlab/2022/08/see-auburn-universitys-record-maybe-amount-of-students-hit-campus-for-first-week-of-2022-semester.html

Meanwhile, OSU got a lot of applications, but their enrollment has fallen.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/ohio-state-university-enrollment-reaches-number-not-seen-in-years/

Ohio State University’s total student enrollment is the lowest it has been since 2016, according to the university’s enrollment reports from the past decade. In other metrics, too, the university is coming up short of recent years’ record-breaking highs, while total ethnic minority enrollment is the highest it’s ever been.

With this fall semester’s 15-day enrollment tallying 65,795 students across all levels and campuses, the midwestern school known for its larger-than-life state presence is down nearly 2,000 students from 2021. The lower enrollment follows a trend born out of the COVID-19 pandemic; Ohio State’s highest total enrollment was in 2019 with 68,262 students. Since then, numbers across education levels have continued to fall — but not quite as starkly as in 2022.



https://www.niche.com/colleges/the-ohio-state-university/admissions/

You see? You could make your argument without the completely misleading 21% early acceptance rate.

Now let’s compare the 65000 students at Ohio state with the 24000
at auburn.

Interesting that you questioned the premise, but now want to move the goal posts when the facts don't support your argument. You stated the listed midwestern universities are harder to get into than southern universities across the board. That's just not true. If you really want to change the subject, I could point out that the OSU early acceptance rate was 64% (vs. Auburn's 25%), but OSU still ended up with a declining number of students who actually enrolled. That tells me that students are still applying to OSU, but choosing to attend elsewhere after they take a closer look. The point is that Auburn is on the upswing, and OSU on the down.

Of course, you picked Auburn to dispute. You didn't even attempt to question the acceptance rates at the other schools I listed. Want to compare Texas to Michigan? Michigan accepts 47% of in state and 22% of OOS students vs. Texas at 10% in state (for non-auto admit, who have to be in the top 6% of their HS class; if you count them the overall acceptance rate is 31%), and 8% for OOS. North Carolina is 43% in state and 8% OOS. Not to mention the 17% overall acceptance rate at Georgia Tech and the 40% acceptance rate at both Georgia and Florida (last year, they got even more applications this year). By the way, Wisconsin is at 57%. You threw in Notre Dame, which isn't a state university, so not really a good comparison, but the ND 19% acceptance rate is still higher than Georgia Tech and Texas and NC OOS. If you want to make real apples to apples comparisons, look at Emory (19%), Vanderbilt (11%), or Duke (8%).

You realize more than one person can post to the thread? I just called out your BS 21% number. Of course i picked it out because it was total horsesh*t.

I can’t get too excited over fighting over which random state school is better than the other.

In other words, you’ve been proven to be wrong and have no rebuttal. You did “get excited” and asked for the overall admission data, which I provided and which all supports my initial point. The 21% EA number is actual data and not “horseshit.” It may not confirm to your worldview, but that doesn’t make it any less of a fact.

How have I been proven wrong? You presented a number in a completely misleading way and you knew it. That’s why you immediately pivoted to other schools.

I have no rebuttal because what is the point about arguing over these schools. If you’re going to waste time doing it, just do it in an intellectually honest way.

Other PP. I still have not seen a verified overall acceptance rate for Auburn for fall 2022/class of 2026. The 71% figure is for fall 2021/class of 2025.

According to this it was 43.74% for 2022.

https://auburn.edu/administration/ir/factbook/enrollment-demographics/historical-summaries/freshman-admission.html