Karl Frisch and the Stupidity of Dunn Loring ES

[Anonymous]

I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Blah, blah, blah…I’m so tired of hearing people say this lots some brilliant novel idea or remotely possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Blah, blah, blah…I’m so tired of hearing people say this lots some brilliant novel idea or remotely possible.

Ok, Karl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Blah, blah, blah…I’m so tired of hearing people say this lots some brilliant novel idea or remotely possible.

Ok, Karl.

An even stupider comment. I think the Dunn Loring boondoggle is ridiculous and I wish the other members would kill it. Doesn’t mean I think the “FCPS should be split” comment is insightful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Blah, blah, blah…I’m so tired of hearing people say this lots some brilliant novel idea or remotely possible.

Ok, Karl.

An even stupider comment. I think the Dunn Loring boondoggle is ridiculous and I wish the other members would kill it. Doesn’t mean I think the “FCPS should be split” comment is insightful.

Karl woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

[Anonymous]

Its state law, fools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Blah, blah, blah…I’m so tired of hearing people say this lots some brilliant novel idea or remotely possible.

DP. You could have a single district but allocate money fairly to each region and also push more of the responsibility to regional superintendents. Right now decisions get made for political reasons by School Board members who have no real knowledge of most parts of the county.

Sizemore-Heizer is a good example. She really only cares about Lake Braddock and to a far lesser extent Woodson. That was the case when she was an at-large member and even more so the case now that she represents Braddock. She knows and cares next to nothing about Chantilly, Tysons, etc. It just gums up the system to have people like her involved in making county-wide decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so stupid. None of these schools are overcrowded. There was supposed to be a boundary study in the Fall of 2020 to figure out how to alleviate overcrowding at Shrevewood (and it probably would have just sent one neighborhood of kids to Stenwood instead), but it was cancelled due to the Covid shutdown and Karl F'ing Frisch took advantage of that to propose the Dunn Loring School (which nobody asked for or wanted). Post-Covid, Shrevewood was no longer under capacity. Then, post AAP changes at the school, it became even LESS crowded. This new school is totally unnecessary. What a huge waste of money. I'm sure that Western Fairfax County would prefer that you build them a new high school.

I'm not sure that Dunn Loring is necessary at this point, but let's be clear that the funding for Dunn Loring would be way less than is needed for a high school. I encourage you to check out the latest CIP estimates.

Those 10 elementary schools add up to 89% capacity utilization in the most recent CIP out year for SY28-29. Timberlane is listed under Mclean instead o Falls Church. Fairhill id Falls Church pyramid and the other 2 non Marshall are Madison CIP. Frankly anything with those 10 or Westbriar should have Colvin Run, Wolf Trap, and Springhill in the mix.

Then there is the 600k boundary consultant project so why is FCPS bothering with this nonsense? So what could go into Dunn Loring that is sensible? You can;t review Regions since stuff like Marshall and Chantilly are in the same region. No geographic sense. But that region has Chantilly and Marshall so there are 2 major capacity/program problems.

Both have set bricks and mortar square footage, trailers, modulars. And each has out of boundary student academies which use up how much square footage? Those facts are not disclosed by FCPS so why not consider new square footage for instruction at Dunn Loring for academy courses? Another optiion is to move rando immersion programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frisch snookered people into thinking they were going to renovate the old Dunn Loring building. Instead, they plan to tear it down. So much for his alleged commitment to environmentalism and retrofitting existing buildings. He's an ass.

Why do people still keep voting for this d*ck? He's done nothing good for the school system, definitely nothing good for his district. Everyone I know hates him. I hope there is a better progressive candidate when he's up again (is that this year???)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so stupid. None of these schools are overcrowded. There was supposed to be a boundary study in the Fall of 2020 to figure out how to alleviate overcrowding at Shrevewood (and it probably would have just sent one neighborhood of kids to Stenwood instead), but it was cancelled due to the Covid shutdown and Karl F'ing Frisch took advantage of that to propose the Dunn Loring School (which nobody asked for or wanted). Post-Covid, Shrevewood was no longer under capacity. Then, post AAP changes at the school, it became even LESS crowded. This new school is totally unnecessary. What a huge waste of money. I'm sure that Western Fairfax County would prefer that you build them a new high school.

Honest question: what are the capacity issues that necessitate a western high? Once centreville gets built out none of those schools are overcapacity in the slightest.

DP but I have a child that is going to be on the bus for 40 minutes to get to Oakton because Chantilly is overcrowded. I would love to at a minimum be rezoned to Chantilly. My kid's ES is zoned to three different high schools. Her middle school is zoned to FOUR different high schools. It's horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Do you know where Dunn Loring School even is? It's on Gallows Rd. You can get to it directly from Tysons. Very easily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Do you know where Dunn Loring School even is? It's on Gallows Rd. You can get to it directly from Tysons. Very easily.

DP. Dunn Loring site is in Vienna at the intersection of Idylwood and Gallows.

It's not far from the southern part of Tysons, but that's not where the residential growth in Tysons is occurring. The residential growth in Tysons is either north of 123 or east of the Beltway, or both.

So no one from those areas will end up at Dunn Loring. If they build this 900-seat school, and then have to back-fill it (because all the schools closest to Dunn Loring are under-enrolled), they'll have to reshuffle kids all over the place to justify building the wrong school in the wrong location. Leaving Spring Hill out of the list of 10 schools under consideration just shows they haven't a clue what they are doing (as Spring Hill serves part of Tysons and will probably be over 1000 kids again at some point).

Of all the elementary schools in that area, the ones that will send the most kids to Dunn Loring will be Freedom Hill and Stenwood. Freedom Hill could pick up some kids from Westbriar, but this will gut Stenwood.

Anyone with a brain knows this is a complete boondoggle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Do you know where Dunn Loring School even is? It's on Gallows Rd. You can get to it directly from Tysons. Very easily.

DP. Dunn Loring site is in Vienna at the intersection of Idylwood and Gallows.

It's not far from the southern part of Tysons, but that's not where the residential growth in Tysons is occurring. The residential growth in Tysons is either north of 123 or east of the Beltway, or both.

So no one from those areas will end up at Dunn Loring. If they build this 900-seat school, and then have to back-fill it (because all the schools closest to Dunn Loring are under-enrolled), they'll have to reshuffle kids all over the place to justify building the wrong school in the wrong location. Leaving Spring Hill out of the list of 10 schools under consideration just shows they haven't a clue what they are doing (as Spring Hill serves part of Tysons and will probably be over 1000 kids again at some point).

Of all the elementary schools in that area, the ones that will send the most kids to Dunn Loring will be Freedom Hill and Stenwood. Freedom Hill could pick up some kids from Westbriar, but this will gut Stenwood.

Anyone with a brain knows this is a complete boondoggle.

Looking at the CIP, it’s odd that Spring Hill and Pine Spring aren’t in the study. Dunn Loring would likely absorb much of Stenwood’s existing boundaries as well as the Idylwood corridor up to 7 where the apartments and townhouses are currently split between Freedom Hill, Lemon Road, and Shrevewood. This would allow Freedom Hill’s boundaries to remain outside the Beltway and into Spring Hill’s Tysons territory (along with Westbriar), Shrevewood’s boundaries to remain inside the Beltway, and Stenwoods to shift south toward 50, both relieving Pine Spring and Timber Lane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frisch snookered people into thinking they were going to renovate the old Dunn Loring building. Instead, they plan to tear it down. So much for his alleged commitment to environmentalism and retrofitting existing buildings. He's an ass.

Why do people still keep voting for this d*ck? He's done nothing good for the school system, definitely nothing good for his district. Everyone I know hates him. I hope there is a better progressive candidate when he's up again (is that this year???)

His purpose on the school board os to fundraise from out of state donors, mostly from California, to support far left wing causes and candidates.

He has zero interest in actual school issues, except those that appeal to out of state donors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live near Tysons and there is no way to get to Dunn Loring easily. Thats just not going to happen.

This is the trouble with giving an elected school board so much power - these people don't know anything, use the school board as a political entry point and have no business managing billions of dollars.

At the very list FCPS should be split up into 2 or 3 different school districts. It's far too big to manage as it is.

Do you know where Dunn Loring School even is? It's on Gallows Rd. You can get to it directly from Tysons. Very easily.

DP. Dunn Loring site is in Vienna at the intersection of Idylwood and Gallows.

It's not far from the southern part of Tysons, but that's not where the residential growth in Tysons is occurring. The residential growth in Tysons is either north of 123 or east of the Beltway, or both.

So no one from those areas will end up at Dunn Loring. If they build this 900-seat school, and then have to back-fill it (because all the schools closest to Dunn Loring are under-enrolled), they'll have to reshuffle kids all over the place to justify building the wrong school in the wrong location. Leaving Spring Hill out of the list of 10 schools under consideration just shows they haven't a clue what they are doing (as Spring Hill serves part of Tysons and will probably be over 1000 kids again at some point).

Of all the elementary schools in that area, the ones that will send the most kids to Dunn Loring will be Freedom Hill and Stenwood. Freedom Hill could pick up some kids from Westbriar, but this will gut Stenwood.

Anyone with a brain knows this is a complete boondoggle.

Looking at the CIP, it’s odd that Spring Hill and Pine Spring aren’t in the study. Dunn Loring would likely absorb much of Stenwood’s existing boundaries as well as the Idylwood corridor up to 7 where the apartments and townhouses are currently split between Freedom Hill, Lemon Road, and Shrevewood. This would allow Freedom Hill’s boundaries to remain outside the Beltway and into Spring Hill’s Tysons territory (along with Westbriar), Shrevewood’s boundaries to remain inside the Beltway, and Stenwoods to shift south toward 50, both relieving Pine Spring and Timber Lane.

It’s odd to talk about “relief” when you’re just moving kids out of under-enrolled schools. And if you move kids out of Pine Spring you may be creating a split feeder where none existed previously.

Frisch is an idiot and he has a bunch of people in Facilities jumping through unnecessary hoops to make him look slightly less idiotic.