LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:So, why hold hearings? Just say this is a law and we are required to do this. And, I guess I don't understand how the legisllature can say this is the law and you have to pass it. It' is either the law or it is not. Could someone please explain that to me?

Here is Section 22.1-23.3. Treatment of transgender students; policies. from the Code of Virginia

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/22.1-23.3

Subsection B says:

B. Each school board shall adopt policies that are consistent with but may be more comprehensive than the model policies developed by the Department of Education pursuant to subsection A.

Here is policy 8040 that was drafted in order to comply with this law:

https://loudounnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Draft-POLICY_-8040-Rights-of-Transgender-Students-5-6-21.pdf

You will note that Section 22.1-23.3 is law. Policy 8040 is a "policy". Policies are methods of implementing laws. The school board had some flexibility in the policy and that was the purpose of debating it, but ultimately it needed to pass a policy that complied with the law.

[Anonymous]

Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

[Anonymous]

Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

It is really irrelevant to this discussion. If the bathroom in which the assault occurred has doors, they obviously didn't prevent it. If it doesn't have doors, I am not sure what difference it would have made. Doors provide privacy, not necessarily protection from an unexpected attacker.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

doors? no idea.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

It is really irrelevant to this discussion. If the bathroom in which the assault occurred has doors, they obviously didn't prevent it. If it doesn't have doors, I am not sure what difference it would have made. Doors provide privacy, not necessarily protection from an unexpected attacker.

Stalled bathrooms don't usually have locking outer doors. A private locked bathroom provides an individual with the ability to be locked in. These question are relevant to the discussion and the actions after the assault. Regardless of who the attacker was, the attack happened in the bathroom. Families weren't informed about it.

If they had been informed that a attack occurred, while due process takes place, how do they know whether the attacker remains at the school? The attacker could have been a woman. It doesn't matter. My question involves feeling safe in a school bathroom.

Perhaps you haven't been the victim of sexual assault, but I have and it happened on an elevator. That confined space was a painful and vulnerable place for me for a while. It's confined. It might not be rational, but once you experience something like this in a particular space, whether it is a classroom or a bathroom, you have to figure out how to cope in those spaces. Isolated spaces can make you feel vulnerable, particularly a bathroom, so I was wondering if everyone has access to a private bathroom if they want it. That's it.

You won't allow my question to be answered to spite me because you think I have a political agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

doors? no idea.

Until LCPS explains what it's going to do to keep girls safe when using the restroom, particularly cis gendered girls, I would remove my daughter from that school system.

I have seen video coverage of statements by officials, but nothing about adding security in the bathrooms, or reviewing bathroom policy. Really, I saw nothing thus far offered by officials except they are asking the legislature to change the law so that AFTER an alleged sexual assault occurs, the student can be removed right away pending the investigation. Rather than merely sending the student off to a different school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

doors? no idea.

Until LCPS explains what it's going to do to keep girls safe when using the restroom, particularly cis gendered girls, I would remove my daughter from that school system.

I have seen video coverage of statements by officials, but nothing about adding security in the bathrooms, or reviewing bathroom policy. Really, I saw nothing thus far offered by officials except they are asking the legislature to change the law so that AFTER an alleged sexual assault occurs, the student can be removed right away pending the investigation. Rather than merely sending the student off to a different school.

OK, bye! So you don't have kids in LCPS? Are you even a parent?

Girls are no more or less "safe" with this policy. The policy didn't exist on 5/28. It didn't pass until months later.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

It is really irrelevant to this discussion. If the bathroom in which the assault occurred has doors, they obviously didn't prevent it. If it doesn't have doors, I am not sure what difference it would have made. Doors provide privacy, not necessarily protection from an unexpected attacker.

Stalled bathrooms don't usually have locking outer doors. A private locked bathroom provides an individual with the ability to be locked in. These question are relevant to the discussion and the actions after the assault. Regardless of who the attacker was, the attack happened in the bathroom. Families weren't informed about it.

If they had been informed that a attack occurred, while due process takes place, how do they know whether the attacker remains at the school? The attacker could have been a woman. It doesn't matter. My question involves feeling safe in a school bathroom.

Perhaps you haven't been the victim of sexual assault, but I have and it happened on an elevator. That confined space was a painful and vulnerable place for me for a while. It's confined. It might not be rational, but once you experience something like this in a particular space, whether it is a classroom or a bathroom, you have to figure out how to cope in those spaces. Isolated spaces can make you feel vulnerable, particularly a bathroom, so I was wondering if everyone has access to a private bathroom if they want it. That's it.

You won't allow my question to be answered to spite me because you think I have a political agenda.

Your question was, "Do all schools have single-stall bathrooms with locking doors?" What do you mean by "all schools"? All schools in LCPS, all schools in VA, or what?

Policy 8040 says:

Taking into account existing school facilities, administrators should take steps to designate gender-inclusive or single-user restrooms commensurate with the size of the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

You’re ignoring that other assaults have taken place on boys by boys in boys locker rooms (Tuscarora) and this student assaulted the 2nd victim in a classroom. Bathrooms aren’t the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

doors? no idea.

Until LCPS explains what it's going to do to keep girls safe when using the restroom, particularly cis gendered girls, I would remove my daughter from that school system.

I have seen video coverage of statements by officials, but nothing about adding security in the bathrooms, or reviewing bathroom policy. Really, I saw nothing thus far offered by officials except they are asking the legislature to change the law so that AFTER an alleged sexual assault occurs, the student can be removed right away pending the investigation. Rather than merely sending the student off to a different school.

OK, bye! So you don't have kids in LCPS? Are you even a parent?

Girls are no more or less "safe" with this policy. The policy didn't exist on 5/28. It didn't pass until months later.

This is relevant to ALL Loudoun taxpayers, childless and private school enrolled included. When childless and private schoolers are exempt from taxes funding the school, then and ONLY then can you pull the parent card.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

You’re ignoring that other assaults have taken place on boys by boys in boys locker rooms (Tuscarora) and this student assaulted the 2nd victim in a classroom. Bathrooms aren’t the issue.

So you bring in facts not related to this particular discussion and it's on topic but nothing else is?

The information is that a boy (not a trans woman) assaulted a girl in a bathroom. The policy wasn't in effect, so I guess the boy was in the bathroom and wasn't supposed to be, correct?

If the case has nothing to do with the rights of trans students or the bathroom policy, which I don't think it does, then why are you so hell-bent on attacking anyone who asks a question. The truth is that the only reason the policy is implicated is because of rabid people like you who would rather victim shame and disparage parents with legitimate concerns to support an agenda that isn't even implicated here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasnt it a boy who was arrested for allegedly forcibly sodomizing a girl in a girl's bathroom at the high school on May 28th?

What am I not understanding here? I'm confused

Yes, but what do doors have to do with that?

doors? no idea.

Until LCPS explains what it's going to do to keep girls safe when using the restroom, particularly cis gendered girls, I would remove my daughter from that school system.

I have seen video coverage of statements by officials, but nothing about adding security in the bathrooms, or reviewing bathroom policy. Really, I saw nothing thus far offered by officials except they are asking the legislature to change the law so that AFTER an alleged sexual assault occurs, the student can be removed right away pending the investigation. Rather than merely sending the student off to a different school.

OK, bye! So you don't have kids in LCPS? Are you even a parent?

Girls are no more or less "safe" with this policy. The policy didn't exist on 5/28. It didn't pass until months later.

This is relevant to ALL Loudoun taxpayers, childless and private school enrolled included. When childless and private schoolers are exempt from taxes funding the school, then and ONLY then can you pull the parent card.

Just curious why you’re posting on DCUM if you don’t even have kids.

Let me guess you are part of a “grassroots” organization?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, in a discussion about accountability for an assault that happened in a BATHROOM, you won't allow a question about whether all students have access to private locked bathroom at every school? How is that off topic?

You’re ignoring that other assaults have taken place on boys by boys in boys locker rooms (Tuscarora) and this student assaulted the 2nd victim in a classroom. Bathrooms aren’t the issue.

This case involves a girl. The forcible sodomy rape allegedly happened in a bathroom on May 28th, for which the boy has been arrested. Mere "groping" allegedly occurred in a classroom. There's a HUGE difference!!!

Forcible sodomy vs. groping