LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:So, why did they have to discuss it at all? Why did they have to pass a policy if it is law.
They could have just stated that it is law and they don't have to take any action.

State law required the school board to do this:

https://www.loudountimes.com/news/loudoun-school-board-passes-transgender-policy-8040/article_6a583872-faff-11eb-9a3f-e7f735eb41ab.html

Policy 8040 arose in response to Virginia House Bill 145 and Senate Bill 161 which were enacted by the 2020 Virginia General Assembly. The law requires school boards to adopt policies consistent with the Virginia Department of Education's Model Policies with the Treatment of Transgender Students in Public Elementary and Secondary Schools no later than the beginning of the 2021-2022 school year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The boy was described as gender fluid. This is different than gender non conforming. A boy can wear dresses and makeup and still identify as a boy. However with gender fluid their gender identity can shift between a boy and a girl. So if a boy labels himself as gender fluid then he can go into both the girls and boys bathroom depending on how he feels that particular day? What about kids that are non-binary?

This is all such a red herring anyway. The boy allegedly attacked 2 girls. I say allegedly because the first case is still pending investigation. One of those was in a classroom. This is an issue of a predatory teenage boy, not an issue of trans students and their right to the bathrooms or whether a STATE LAW is fair or not. He did this in a classroom, his gender identity and the rights of transgender students is quite literally irrelevant to this particular conversation. Bureaucratic red tape and policy loopholes created the opportunity for the 2nd incident, not transgender students or policy 8040.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The boy was described as gender fluid. This is different than gender non conforming. A boy can wear dresses and makeup and still identify as a boy. However with gender fluid their gender identity can shift between a boy and a girl. So if a boy labels himself as gender fluid then he can go into both the girls and boys bathroom depending on how he feels that particular day? What about kids that are non-binary?

This is all such a red herring anyway. The boy allegedly attacked 2 girls. I say allegedly because the first case is still pending investigation. One of those was in a classroom. This is an issue of a predatory teenage boy, not an issue of trans students and their right to the bathrooms or whether a STATE LAW is fair or not. He did this in a classroom, his gender identity and the rights of transgender students is quite literally irrelevant to this particular conversation. Bureaucratic red tape and policy loopholes created the opportunity for the 2nd incident, not transgender students or policy 8040.

I understand what you're saying and it's slightly off topic but this is a serious question. Are you ok if a boy identifies as gender fluid going into the girls locker room one day because he feels more like a girl then go into the boys locker room the next day because he feels like a boy that day? Under the school's transgender policy this is acceptable. Can't you see how much that differs from a transgender child who suffers from gender dysphoria wanting to use facilities that match their gender identity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The boy was described as gender fluid. This is different than gender non conforming. A boy can wear dresses and makeup and still identify as a boy. However with gender fluid their gender identity can shift between a boy and a girl. So if a boy labels himself as gender fluid then he can go into both the girls and boys bathroom depending on how he feels that particular day? What about kids that are non-binary?

This is all such a red herring anyway. The boy allegedly attacked 2 girls. I say allegedly because the first case is still pending investigation. One of those was in a classroom. This is an issue of a predatory teenage boy, not an issue of trans students and their right to the bathrooms or whether a STATE LAW is fair or not. He did this in a classroom, his gender identity and the rights of transgender students is quite literally irrelevant to this particular conversation. Bureaucratic red tape and policy loopholes created the opportunity for the 2nd incident, not transgender students or policy 8040.

I understand what you're saying and it's slightly off topic but this is a serious question. Are you ok if a boy identifies as gender fluid going into the girls locker room one day because he feels more like a girl then go into the boys locker room the next day because he feels like a boy that day? Under the school's transgender policy this is acceptable. Can't you see how much that differs from a transgender child who suffers from gender dysphoria wanting to use facilities that match their gender identity?

I in fact see no issue with that and have had students who are intersex (born with both male and female reproductive parts) and identify as gender fluid because they do have male and female aspects of their body and identity do this. Some weeks they dress more masculine, others more feminine. It is not an issue. It also has absolutely nothing to do with a student who is a sexual predator attacking girls in classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The boy was described as gender fluid. This is different than gender non conforming. A boy can wear dresses and makeup and still identify as a boy. However with gender fluid their gender identity can shift between a boy and a girl. So if a boy labels himself as gender fluid then he can go into both the girls and boys bathroom depending on how he feels that particular day? What about kids that are non-binary?

This is all such a red herring anyway. The boy allegedly attacked 2 girls. I say allegedly because the first case is still pending investigation. One of those was in a classroom. This is an issue of a predatory teenage boy, not an issue of trans students and their right to the bathrooms or whether a STATE LAW is fair or not. He did this in a classroom, his gender identity and the rights of transgender students is quite literally irrelevant to this particular conversation. Bureaucratic red tape and policy loopholes created the opportunity for the 2nd incident, not transgender students or policy 8040.

I understand what you're saying and it's slightly off topic but this is a serious question. Are you ok if a boy identifies as gender fluid going into the girls locker room one day because he feels more like a girl then go into the boys locker room the next day because he feels like a boy that day? Under the school's transgender policy this is acceptable. Can't you see how much that differs from a transgender child who suffers from gender dysphoria wanting to use facilities that match their gender identity?

I in fact see no issue with that and have had students who are intersex (born with both male and female reproductive parts) and identify as gender fluid because they do have male and female aspects of their body and identity do this. Some weeks they dress more masculine, others more feminine. It is not an issue. It also has absolutely nothing to do with a student who is a sexual predator attacking girls in classrooms.

Intersex people have a biological condition and most of them do not flip flop between different gender identities. These medical conditions are also quite rare. The truth is there is no biological basis for someone who is gender fluid. It is very different from someone who suffers from gender dysphoria from a young age. And I understand it is off topic but wanted to show the issues with a broad transgender policy that allows self ID with no documentation required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The boy was described as gender fluid. This is different than gender non conforming. A boy can wear dresses and makeup and still identify as a boy. However with gender fluid their gender identity can shift between a boy and a girl. So if a boy labels himself as gender fluid then he can go into both the girls and boys bathroom depending on how he feels that particular day? What about kids that are non-binary?

This is all such a red herring anyway. The boy allegedly attacked 2 girls. I say allegedly because the first case is still pending investigation. One of those was in a classroom. This is an issue of a predatory teenage boy, not an issue of trans students and their right to the bathrooms or whether a STATE LAW is fair or not. He did this in a classroom, his gender identity and the rights of transgender students is quite literally irrelevant to this particular conversation. Bureaucratic red tape and policy loopholes created the opportunity for the 2nd incident, not transgender students or policy 8040.

I understand what you're saying and it's slightly off topic but this is a serious question. Are you ok if a boy identifies as gender fluid going into the girls locker room one day because he feels more like a girl then go into the boys locker room the next day because he feels like a boy that day? Under the school's transgender policy this is acceptable. Can't you see how much that differs from a transgender child who suffers from gender dysphoria wanting to use facilities that match their gender identity?

I in fact see no issue with that and have had students who are intersex (born with both male and female reproductive parts) and identify as gender fluid because they do have male and female aspects of their body and identity do this. Some weeks they dress more masculine, others more feminine. It is not an issue. It also has absolutely nothing to do with a student who is a sexual predator attacking girls in classrooms.

Intersex people have a biological condition and most of them do not flip flop between different gender identities. These medical conditions are also quite rare. The truth is there is no biological basis for someone who is gender fluid. It is very different from someone who suffers from gender dysphoria from a young age. And I understand it is off topic but wanted to show the issues with a broad transgender policy that allows self ID with no documentation required.

There is no issue with how kids identify. A teenager’s gender identity doesn’t impact anyone else. And it is not related to sexual assault. These students are so much more likely to be assaulted that they rarely even go to the gendered bathrooms. They go to the single stall all gender restrooms with a locking door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The boy was described as gender fluid. This is different than gender non conforming. A boy can wear dresses and makeup and still identify as a boy. However with gender fluid their gender identity can shift between a boy and a girl. So if a boy labels himself as gender fluid then he can go into both the girls and boys bathroom depending on how he feels that particular day? What about kids that are non-binary?

This is all such a red herring anyway. The boy allegedly attacked 2 girls. I say allegedly because the first case is still pending investigation. One of those was in a classroom. This is an issue of a predatory teenage boy, not an issue of trans students and their right to the bathrooms or whether a STATE LAW is fair or not. He did this in a classroom, his gender identity and the rights of transgender students is quite literally irrelevant to this particular conversation. Bureaucratic red tape and policy loopholes created the opportunity for the 2nd incident, not transgender students or policy 8040.

I understand what you're saying and it's slightly off topic but this is a serious question. Are you ok if a boy identifies as gender fluid going into the girls locker room one day because he feels more like a girl then go into the boys locker room the next day because he feels like a boy that day? Under the school's transgender policy this is acceptable. Can't you see how much that differs from a transgender child who suffers from gender dysphoria wanting to use facilities that match their gender identity?

I in fact see no issue with that and have had students who are intersex (born with both male and female reproductive parts) and identify as gender fluid because they do have male and female aspects of their body and identity do this. Some weeks they dress more masculine, others more feminine. It is not an issue. It also has absolutely nothing to do with a student who is a sexual predator attacking girls in classrooms.

Intersex people have a biological condition and most of them do not flip flop between different gender identities. These medical conditions are also quite rare. The truth is there is no biological basis for someone who is gender fluid. It is very different from someone who suffers from gender dysphoria from a young age. And I understand it is off topic but wanted to show the issues with a broad transgender policy that allows self ID with no documentation required.

There is no issue with how kids identify. A teenager’s gender identity doesn’t impact anyone else. And it is not related to sexual assault. These students are so much more likely to be assaulted that they rarely even go to the gendered bathrooms. They go to the single stall all gender restrooms with a locking door.

Do all schools have single-stall bathrooms with locking doors?

[Anonymous]

Again, the issue is that girls feel threatened or unsafe in the restroom because a boy (dressed however) is there, she can’t call out or tell for fear of being transphobic. That’s the problem. And boys are stronger and more likely to commit assault. So what are girls supposed to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, the issue is that girls feel threatened or unsafe in the restroom because a boy (dressed however) is there, she can’t call out or tell for fear of being transphobic. That’s the problem. And boys are stronger and more likely to commit assault. So what are girls supposed to do?

Having three daughters I know that nothing has changed from 10,20 or 100 years ago...they still will always fear "no one will believe them".suffering in silence..where are the feminists now to fight for them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The boy was described as gender fluid. This is different than gender non conforming. A boy can wear dresses and makeup and still identify as a boy. However with gender fluid their gender identity can shift between a boy and a girl. So if a boy labels himself as gender fluid then he can go into both the girls and boys bathroom depending on how he feels that particular day? What about kids that are non-binary?

This is all such a red herring anyway. The boy allegedly attacked 2 girls. I say allegedly because the first case is still pending investigation. One of those was in a classroom. This is an issue of a predatory teenage boy, not an issue of trans students and their right to the bathrooms or whether a STATE LAW is fair or not. He did this in a classroom, his gender identity and the rights of transgender students is quite literally irrelevant to this particular conversation. Bureaucratic red tape and policy loopholes created the opportunity for the 2nd incident, not transgender students or policy 8040.

Yup. If you oppose transgender girls using girls bathrooms go start a new thread. It's off-topic here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, the issue is that girls feel threatened or unsafe in the restroom because a boy (dressed however) is there, she can’t call out or tell for fear of being transphobic. That’s the problem. And boys are stronger and more likely to commit assault. So what are girls supposed to do?

Go start a new thread. It's irrelevant here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know what wasn't covered by ABC, CBS, and NBC the other night? The Loudoun County School Board covered up the reported sexual assault of a 9th grade girl to pass a transgender bathroom policy:

Louder once more for the folks in the back. LCPS didn’t have a choice. It is Virginia state law that they must do this. Even if the truth had come out fully that night, they still didn’t have a choice. JFC how many times do we have to explain this? Take it up with your state legislators.

+1. They’re as stupid as they are malicious.

It's willful ignorance.

[jsteele]

As I and other posters have repeatedly pointed out, the two sexual assaults being discussed in this thread do not involve transgender students. The repeated posts about transgender issues are distracting from the main topic of discussion. Due to these repeated disruptions, I am going to start removing all posts addressing transgender topics. Feel free to start a thread to discuss those topics, but do no do it in this thread.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:As I and other posters have repeatedly pointed out, the two sexual assaults being discussed in this thread do not involve transgender students. The repeated posts about transgender issues are distracting from the main topic of discussion. Due to these repeated disruptions, I am going to start removing all posts addressing transgender topics. Feel free to start a thread to discuss those topics, but do no do it in this thread.

Thank you!

The transgender policy didn't exist on May 28th. It wasn't passed until months later. This predator assaulted victims wherever he could - empty classroom, girls bathroom pre-policy. It's irrelevant and off-topic here.

Also, it's pretty disgusting that some posters are trying to exploit these assaults to make some other political point. Rather than have any compassion for the trauma these girls experienced, they are very willing to graphically recount their assaults - just for their own purposes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know what wasn't covered by ABC, CBS, and NBC the other night? The Loudoun County School Board covered up the reported sexual assault of a 9th grade girl to pass a transgender bathroom policy:

Louder once more for the folks in the back. LCPS didn’t have a choice. It is Virginia state law that they must do this. Even if the truth had come out fully that night, they still didn’t have a choice. JFC how many times do we have to explain this? Take it up with your state legislators.

+1. They’re as stupid as they are malicious.

It's willful ignorance.

So, why hold hearings? Just say this is a law and we are required to do this. And, I guess I don't understand how the legisllature can say this is the law and you have to pass it. It' is either the law or it is not. Could someone please explain that to me?