New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what the actual arrangement is between GA and MLSN? I guess I just wonder why MLSN would be interested in helping GA by leveraging their platform to help GA?

Pressure from US Soccer? Is there a financial incentive?

If a top boys ECNL program wanted to come over and not bring the girls would MLSN really turn them down?

I guess just asking for clarity if anyone has it.

ECNL has told clubs (and actually followed through on the threat) that if they change their boys ECNL teams to MLSN that they will take girls ECNL away.

To address MLSN + GA have partnered up to do the same thing to ECNL. This is why many people are saying that the legacy MLSN + girls ECNL clubs will be changing to GA soon.

ECNL controls both boys and girls side. MLSN and GA are totally and completely separate so I am still trying to figure out why MLSN is helping GA leverage the moves? The enemy of my enemy is my friend type of thing?

Not any more. MLSN and GA are working together with US Soccer enabling in the background.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/mlsnext/news/mls-next-announces-strategic-alliance-with-girls-academy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what the actual arrangement is between GA and MLSN? I guess I just wonder why MLSN would be interested in helping GA by leveraging their platform to help GA?

Pressure from US Soccer? Is there a financial incentive?

If a top boys ECNL program wanted to come over and not bring the girls would MLSN really turn them down?

I guess just asking for clarity if anyone has it.

ECNL has told clubs (and actually followed through on the threat) that if they change their boys ECNL teams to MLSN that they will take girls ECNL away.

To address MLSN + GA have partnered up to do the same thing to ECNL. This is why many people are saying that the legacy MLSN + girls ECNL clubs will be changing to GA soon.

ECNL controls both boys and girls side. MLSN and GA are totally and completely separate so I am still trying to figure out why MLSN is helping GA leverage the moves? The enemy of my enemy is my friend type of thing?

Correct MLSN are in different markets. But both share the same competitor which is ECNL.

To continue expanding MLSN needs to offer more than a high level boys league. GA is in the same boat. Together they make a better package deal to clubs than individually.

[Anonymous]

All this has been hashed out on here before, but MLS Next and GA were both formerly the U.S. Soccer Development Academy (DA). When the DA folded, MLS was already on firm footing as a professional league and was able to immediately bring in the former DA boys side and it became MLS Next nearly immediately.

The girls side of the DA did not have a pro league with stability at the time to help them. NWSL was just beginning to get to a place where they were able to just keep the lights on from one season to the next, so a group of youth clubs had prop up the girls side and The Girls Academy was formed. At that time some major DA clubs jumped to ECNL girls because no one really knew if the Girls Academy would even get off the ground.

Five years later, the GA is extremely healthy, U.S. Soccer is involved again making the Girls Academy a full-member of U.S. Soccer, MLS Next has partnered (again), and you are beginning to see changes.

All of this is only five years old. It’s not a finished product and there will be even more major changes over the next few years. I’m not saying the NWSL will get involved at some point, but that is certainly a possibility.

MLS Next is much better than ECNL boys. A completely different level. Legacy clubs that were former DA who moved there girls to ECNL during very uncertain times will not will not risk losing MLS Next. The ECNL knows this, which is why they have allowed these clubs keep the MLS Next/ECNL girls arrangement instead of demanding that they move their top boys teams to ECNL boys.

At some point if MLS Next clubs are told to move the girls from ECNL girls to GA it will happen and GA will be the new top dog. They already have the organization and framework in place.

Like others have said, ECNL has been playing this same game for years and the tables are about to turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this has been hashed out on here before, but MLS Next and GA were both formerly the U.S. Soccer Development Academy (DA). When the DA folded, MLS was already on firm footing as a professional league and was able to immediately bring in the former DA boys side and it became MLS Next nearly immediately.

The girls side of the DA did not have a pro league with stability at the time to help them. NWSL was just beginning to get to a place where they were able to just keep the lights on from one season to the next, so a group of youth clubs had prop up the girls side and The Girls Academy was formed. At that time some major DA clubs jumped to ECNL girls because no one really knew if the Girls Academy would even get off the ground.

Five years later, the GA is extremely healthy, U.S. Soccer is involved again making the Girls Academy a full-member of U.S. Soccer, MLS Next has partnered (again), and you are beginning to see changes.

All of this is only five years old. It’s not a finished product and there will be even more major changes over the next few years. I’m not saying the NWSL will get involved at some point, but that is certainly a possibility.

MLS Next is much better than ECNL boys. A completely different level. Legacy clubs that were former DA who moved there girls to ECNL during very uncertain times will not will not risk losing MLS Next. The ECNL knows this, which is why they have allowed these clubs keep the MLS Next/ECNL girls arrangement instead of demanding that they move their top boys teams to ECNL boys.

At some point if MLS Next clubs are told to move the girls from ECNL girls to GA it will happen and GA will be the new top dog. They already have the organization and framework in place.

Like others have said, ECNL has been playing this same game for years and the tables are about to turn.

How many MLSN clubs have ECNL girls at this point? Any of the big boys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this has been hashed out on here before, but MLS Next and GA were both formerly the U.S. Soccer Development Academy (DA). When the DA folded, MLS was already on firm footing as a professional league and was able to immediately bring in the former DA boys side and it became MLS Next nearly immediately.

The girls side of the DA did not have a pro league with stability at the time to help them. NWSL was just beginning to get to a place where they were able to just keep the lights on from one season to the next, so a group of youth clubs had prop up the girls side and The Girls Academy was formed. At that time some major DA clubs jumped to ECNL girls because no one really knew if the Girls Academy would even get off the ground.

Five years later, the GA is extremely healthy, U.S. Soccer is involved again making the Girls Academy a full-member of U.S. Soccer, MLS Next has partnered (again), and you are beginning to see changes.

All of this is only five years old. It’s not a finished product and there will be even more major changes over the next few years. I’m not saying the NWSL will get involved at some point, but that is certainly a possibility.

MLS Next is much better than ECNL boys. A completely different level. Legacy clubs that were former DA who moved there girls to ECNL during very uncertain times will not will not risk losing MLS Next. The ECNL knows this, which is why they have allowed these clubs keep the MLS Next/ECNL girls arrangement instead of demanding that they move their top boys teams to ECNL boys.

At some point if MLS Next clubs are told to move the girls from ECNL girls to GA it will happen and GA will be the new top dog. They already have the organization and framework in place.

Like others have said, ECNL has been playing this same game for years and the tables are about to turn.

How many MLSN clubs have ECNL girls at this point? Any of the big boys?

There are several, but what is your definition of "big boys"

[Anonymous]

There are probably more, but some of the big ones are:

St. Louis Scott Gallagher
FC Delco
Bethesda
PDA
Indy Eleven
SD Surf (I think)

Some of the clubs that moved from ECNL to GA this year, like Kings Hammer and Midwest United were former DA who moved to ECNL girls and continued to play boys MLS Next. Up until now the ECNL has been able to use the “we kicked them out” line, which is complete fabricated. That won’t hold up if the big boys start coming over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are probably more, but some of the big ones are:

St. Louis Scott Gallagher
FC Delco
Bethesda
PDA
Indy Eleven
SD Surf (I think)

Some of the clubs that moved from ECNL to GA this year, like Kings Hammer and Midwest United were former DA who moved to ECNL girls and continued to play boys MLS Next. Up until now the ECNL has been able to use the “we kicked them out” line, which is complete fabricated. That won’t hold up if the big boys start coming over.

If even half of those teams came to GA it would be a pretty big shift. Going to be an interesting next few years…………

[Anonymous]

Another interesting list to compile would be the top clubs that have ECNL boys and girls but want to make to move to MLSN. Imagine that’s where quite a few pickups for GA happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this has been hashed out on here before, but MLS Next and GA were both formerly the U.S. Soccer Development Academy (DA). When the DA folded, MLS was already on firm footing as a professional league and was able to immediately bring in the former DA boys side and it became MLS Next nearly immediately.

The girls side of the DA did not have a pro league with stability at the time to help them. NWSL was just beginning to get to a place where they were able to just keep the lights on from one season to the next, so a group of youth clubs had prop up the girls side and The Girls Academy was formed. At that time some major DA clubs jumped to ECNL girls because no one really knew if the Girls Academy would even get off the ground.

Five years later, the GA is extremely healthy, U.S. Soccer is involved again making the Girls Academy a full-member of U.S. Soccer, MLS Next has partnered (again), and you are beginning to see changes.

All of this is only five years old. It’s not a finished product and there will be even more major changes over the next few years. I’m not saying the NWSL will get involved at some point, but that is certainly a possibility.

MLS Next is much better than ECNL boys. A completely different level. Legacy clubs that were former DA who moved there girls to ECNL during very uncertain times will not will not risk losing MLS Next. The ECNL knows this, which is why they have allowed these clubs keep the MLS Next/ECNL girls arrangement instead of demanding that they move their top boys teams to ECNL boys.

At some point if MLS Next clubs are told to move the girls from ECNL girls to GA it will happen and GA will be the new top dog. They already have the organization and framework in place.

Like others have said, ECNL has been playing this same game for years and the tables are about to turn.

How many MLSN clubs have ECNL girls at this point? Any of the big boys?

There are several, but what is your definition of "big boys"

There is literally like 5. Not enough for ECNL to sneeze at which is why they were grandfathered years ago when the DA folded. Yawn. Going forward it’s up to clubs whether they want to trade boys for girls because that is what it’s come down to. There are 30% more college programs for girls vs boys so follow the money trail. ECNL has already shown they will cut off the girls with no grandfathering beyond the ones from years ago. Hence the unexpected downfall of NVA girls program once they announce the boys move.

[Anonymous]

The seven clubs that someone listed above would be much more than a sneeze.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The seven clubs that someone listed above would be much more than a sneeze.

It certainly would be if they all moved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The seven clubs that someone listed above would be much more than a sneeze.

It certainly would be if they all moved.

The moves GA has implemented are impressive. They're setting up long term trajectories that will bear fruit over time. ECNLs most recent response was forcing the BY to SY change.

Imagine what would happen if NCAA gave non revenue college soccer to US Soccer. Then US Soccer changed it into a mix of 2nd tier pro and college teams league. Which seems a very likely outcome because NCAA doesnt have to worry about sports that dont make money and US Soccer gets control over the one area of high level soccer they dont currently have a say in.

If this happens instantly recruiters no longer matter because the pro minor league + college teams league would become a situation were college roster spots are a prize for top players. Like how MLS Next acadamies and p2p mlsn clubs function. Basically youth leagues would just merge into college leagues with college scholorships and $$$ provided as a prize for top talent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are probably more, but some of the big ones are:

St. Louis Scott Gallagher
FC Delco
Bethesda
PDA
Indy Eleven
SD Surf (I think)

Some of the clubs that moved from ECNL to GA this year, like Kings Hammer and Midwest United were former DA who moved to ECNL girls and continued to play boys MLS Next. Up until now the ECNL has been able to use the “we kicked them out” line, which is complete fabricated. That won’t hold up if the big boys start coming over.

To name a few more...
FC Dallas
Real Colorado
DE Anza force
Phoenix Rising
Tampa Bay United
Jacksonville FC
Orlando City
Colorado Rapids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The seven clubs that someone listed above would be much more than a sneeze.

It certainly would be if they all moved.

The moves GA has implemented are impressive. They're setting up long term trajectories that will bear fruit over time. ECNLs most recent response was forcing the BY to SY change.

Imagine what would happen if NCAA gave non revenue college soccer to US Soccer. Then US Soccer changed it into a mix of 2nd tier pro and college teams league. Which seems a very likely outcome because NCAA doesnt have to worry about sports that dont make money and US Soccer gets control over the one area of high level soccer they dont currently have a say in.

If this happens instantly recruiters no longer matter because the pro minor league + college teams league would become a situation were college roster spots are a prize for top players. Like how MLS Next acadamies and p2p mlsn clubs function. Basically youth leagues would just merge into college leagues with college scholorships and $$$ provided as a prize for top talent.

Why wouldn't recruiters matter? Sounds like they'd be needed more than ever for talent evaluation of youth levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are probably more, but some of the big ones are:

St. Louis Scott Gallagher
FC Delco
Bethesda
PDA
Indy Eleven
SD Surf (I think)

Some of the clubs that moved from ECNL to GA this year, like Kings Hammer and Midwest United were former DA who moved to ECNL girls and continued to play boys MLS Next. Up until now the ECNL has been able to use the “we kicked them out” line, which is complete fabricated. That won’t hold up if the big boys start coming over.

To name a few more...
FC Dallas
Real Colorado
DE Anza force
Phoenix Rising
Tampa Bay United
Jacksonville FC
Orlando City
Colorado Rapids

Wait a minute, didn't the off-shoot youth program of Real Colorado just switch from MLSN to ECNL?