Asians suing Harvard

[Anonymous]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-15/harvard-faces-admissions-bias-complaint-from-asian-americans

I don't get why the ivies just don't open up the admissions stats a la election crosstabs.

State the applications received, admits accepted, and # matriculated.

And do it based on race, gender, recruited athlete status, legacy, and development (the main 'flags'), type of high school (public, private, magnet, charter, home school), class rank/grades, and standardized test scores.

Then explicitly state - yes we practice quotas in order to give URM's an edge.

I think everyone will be more accepting when there is more transparency.

That we we can see - OK if you are a white, female, with these scores, and no hooks - X was your acceptance rate last year.

so on and so forth.

I think whites and asians would be accepting of URM edges in admission rates if it was made transparent.

[Anonymous]

^^sorry, I don't think private universities should have to justify their decisions to anyone. sets a bad precedent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^sorry, I don't think private universities should have to justify their decisions to anyone. sets a bad precedent.

they take federal and state research dollars/grants - if they don't want to open up their admissions decisions, they are free to not get public money of any kind for any purpose whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

if Harvard stopped taking public research $$ tomorrow (and they likely could and still have money to burn) there would still be whiners. these universities are next to impossible to get into anyway. complete crapshoot. who knows what the admissions committees are looking for from year to year. but I know it's not a majority (fill in the blank ethnicity) student body. it's not just the student, but how they fit in the mix and what the culture of the particular institution is.

[Anonymous]

why doesn't Harvard accept all valedictorians? they're all first in their class and many kids get accepted who aren't valedictorians. I think perhaps valedictorians could have a lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why doesn't Harvard accept all valedictorians? they're all first in their class and many kids get accepted who aren't valedictorians. I think perhaps valedictorians could have a lawsuit.

Frequently, valedictorians are selected subjectively. Some high schools are also giving multiple students (10-20 of them) valedictorian status to avoid ridiculous lawsuits because so-and-so didn't take as many honors classes as our little snowflake so why didn't snowflake make valedictorian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why doesn't Harvard accept all valedictorians? they're all first in their class and many kids get accepted who aren't valedictorians. I think perhaps valedictorians could have a lawsuit.

Are you dumb or purposely trying to stir the water?
First in class in one HS could be a below average student in another.
Now next question asshole!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why doesn't Harvard accept all valedictorians? they're all first in their class and many kids get accepted who aren't valedictorians. I think perhaps valedictorians could have a lawsuit.

Valedictorians are not a protected class, as a group.

[Anonymous]

Good. I believe college/university admissions should be race blind.

[Anonymous]

Yawn. I'm sure Harvard's legal department can dispose of this lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why doesn't Harvard accept all valedictorians? they're all first in their class and many kids get accepted who aren't valedictorians. I think perhaps valedictorians could have a lawsuit.

Because there are more high schools in the country than there are freshman at Harvard, for starters, so this approach is mathematically impossible.

[Anonymous]

It would be interesting to see how many just don't make it pass the interview process. Sure, test scores alone may get you 1/2 way but they do not tell the story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see how many just don't make it pass the interview process. Sure, test scores alone may get you 1/2 way but they do not tell the story.

Read the article again. It states: "Asian-American students with almost perfect college entrance-exam scores, top 1 percent grade-point averages, academic awards and leadership positions are more likely to be rejected than similar applicants of other races

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see how many just don't make it pass the interview process. Sure, test scores alone may get you 1/2 way but they do not tell the story.

Interviews are not at all significant (and optional)in the admission process for top colleges except for maybe MIT and don't automatically assume that Asian Americans will perform poorly in interviews compared to other groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see how many just don't make it pass the interview process. Sure, test scores alone may get you 1/2 way but they do not tell the story.

I'm sure white people felt exactly the same way about Jews years ago as the basis for discriminating against them.