Asians suing Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I believe college/university admissions should be race blind.

And I think that they should be gender blind. But that's not going to happen. White males have an easier time with admission than white females except at STEM colleges looking to increase female enrollment. Life isn't always fair even for the privileged. Get over it and get a grip.

Thank you. Even if Harvard went race blind tomorrow (and btw, it's interesting how Asians never complained when the numbers were smaller and saying you were Asian actually gave one an edge in college applications ), it is still threading a very small needle to get into Harvard. The college could accept only Asians and there would still be plenty of Asians with perfect scores and 5.0 GPA's and leadership activities, sports etc. (i.e.. the formula people think works) and still not get in.

Harvard, a private college, should be able to accept the student body it desires. And people should realize that life does not begin and end with getting into one school. That's a loser mentality and it's hard to imagine why Harvard would want people of any race who have so little faith in themselves that their self-image is determined by where they are accepted to college.

Agree! And just for the sake of argument, suppose Asians took 100% of the seats and the other perfect Asian grades/scorers. Would there be a lawsuit from other Asians who didn't get in that their scores were equally as good and Harvard should create more seats? Would it be better than HYP had the number of seats of a big state university? What would the complaint be then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. I believe college/university admissions should be race blind.

And I think that they should be gender blind. But that's not going to happen. White males have an easier time with admission than white females except at STEM colleges looking to increase female enrollment. Life isn't always fair even for the privileged. Get over it and get a grip.

Thank you. Even if Harvard went race blind tomorrow (and btw, it's interesting how Asians never complained when the numbers were smaller and saying you were Asian actually gave one an edge in college applications ), it is still threading a very small needle to get into Harvard. The college could accept only Asians and there would still be plenty of Asians with perfect scores and 5.0 GPA's and leadership activities, sports etc. (i.e.. the formula people think works) and still not get in.

Harvard, a private college, should be able to accept the student body it desires. And people should realize that life does not begin and end with getting into one school. That's a loser mentality and it's hard to imagine why Harvard would want people of any race who have so little faith in themselves that their self-image is determined by where they are accepted to college.

Agree! And just for the sake of argument, suppose Asians took 100% of the seats and the other perfect Asian grades/scorers. Would there be a lawsuit from other Asians who didn't get in that their scores were equally as good and Harvard should create more seats? Would it be better than HYP had the number of seats of a big state university? What would the complaint be then?

that should be *than the other perfect Asian grades/scorers*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. I believe college/university admissions should be race blind.

And I think that they should be gender blind. But that's not going to happen. White males have an easier time with admission than white females except at STEM colleges looking to increase female enrollment. Life isn't always fair even for the privileged. Get over it and get a grip.

Thank you. Even if Harvard went race blind tomorrow (and btw, it's interesting how Asians never complained when the numbers were smaller and saying you were Asian actually gave one an edge in college applications ), it is still threading a very small needle to get into Harvard. The college could accept only Asians and there would still be plenty of Asians with perfect scores and 5.0 GPA's and leadership activities, sports etc. (i.e.. the formula people think works) and still not get in.

Harvard, a private college, should be able to accept the student body it desires. And people should realize that life does not begin and end with getting into one school. That's a loser mentality and it's hard to imagine why Harvard would want people of any race who have so little faith in themselves that their self-image is determined by where they are accepted to college.

Agree! And just for the sake of argument, suppose Asians took 100% of the seats and the other perfect Asian grades/scorers. Would there be a lawsuit from other Asians who didn't get in that their scores were equally as good and Harvard should create more seats? Would it be better than HYP had the number of seats of a big state university? What would the complaint be then?

So true! Harvard should be forced to expand to accept every Asian that has a 4.0 and high SAT scores or otherwise these poor students will have to spend the rest of their lives suffering because they did not spend 4 years of their lives in a pile of bricks in Cambridge, MA.

[Anonymous]

Y'all are making up asinine arguments to get upset about. What some Asians are upset about is that they think some good schools are intentionally discriminating against them, ostensibly to make classes more diverse but really out of subconscious animus. I don't know if they're right or not, but I know there is ample historical evidence to believe that schools do this. It is extremely well documented that the Ivies originally created affirmative action as a pretext for not admitting qualified Jewish students, whom they considered to be uncivilized. "We want a varied student body" was a cover for massive and systemic anti-semitism, and people who wanted to pretend it wasn't made the same silly arguments as y'all are making in here (But we couldn't possibly accept all these qualified Jews! These Jews care an irrational amount about getting into good schools!).

If schools are using their diversity rules to discriminate, unconsciously or otherwise, against Asians, they should stop. All large private schools receive state funds, and even if they didn't, education is too important to this country to ignore when the university system is perpetuating racism in a mass scale. As I mentioned, I have no idea how strong the case for discrimination actually is. But I certainly notice the ample vaguely racist and dismissive attitudes about Asians on this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y'all are making up asinine arguments to get upset about. What some Asians are upset about is that they think some good schools are intentionally discriminating against them, ostensibly to make classes more diverse but really out of subconscious animus. I don't know if they're right or not, but I know there is ample historical evidence to believe that schools do this. It is extremely well documented that the Ivies originally created affirmative action as a pretext for not admitting qualified Jewish students, whom they considered to be uncivilized. "We want a varied student body" was a cover for massive and systemic anti-semitism, and people who wanted to pretend it wasn't made the same silly arguments as y'all are making in here (But we couldn't possibly accept all these qualified Jews! These Jews care an irrational amount about getting into good schools!).

If schools are using their diversity rules to discriminate, unconsciously or otherwise, against Asians, they should stop. All large private schools receive state funds, and even if they didn't, education is too important to this country to ignore when the university system is perpetuating racism in a mass scale. As I mentioned, I have no idea how strong the case for discrimination actually is. But I certainly notice the ample vaguely racist and dismissive attitudes about Asians on this board.

I applaud your eloquence. I agree with everything you said and it certainly stopped all the "vaguely racist and dismissive attitudes about Asians on this board". What is ironic is that most people in charge of the admissions office or on the admissions committee engaged in this "discrimination" are probably Jewish and one would think that they would be more sensitive/sympathetic of this sort of systematic discrimination since they themselves or their parents may have faced the same type of discrimination in admission to same type of schools decades ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Y'all are making up asinine arguments to get upset about. What some Asians are upset about is that they think some good schools are intentionally discriminating against them, ostensibly to make classes more diverse but really out of subconscious animus. I don't know if they're right or not, but I know there is ample historical evidence to believe that schools do this. It is extremely well documented that the Ivies originally created affirmative action as a pretext for not admitting qualified Jewish students, whom they considered to be uncivilized. "We want a varied student body" was a cover for massive and systemic anti-semitism, and people who wanted to pretend it wasn't made the same silly arguments as y'all are making in here (But we couldn't possibly accept all these qualified Jews! These Jews care an irrational amount about getting into good schools!).

If schools are using their diversity rules to discriminate, unconsciously or otherwise, against Asians, they should stop. All large private schools receive state funds, and even if they didn't, education is too important to this country to ignore when the university system is perpetuating racism in a mass scale. As I mentioned, I have no idea how strong the case for discrimination actually is. But I certainly notice the ample vaguely racist and dismissive attitudes about Asians on this board.

I applaud your eloquence. I agree with everything you said and it certainly stopped all the "vaguely racist and dismissive attitudes about Asians on this board". What is ironic is that most people in charge of the admissions office or on the admissions committee engaged in this "discrimination" are probably Jewish and one would think that they would be more sensitive/sympathetic of this sort of systematic discrimination since they themselves or their parents may have faced the same type of discrimination in admission to same type of schools decades ago.

Jewish people (especially the women) hate asians. They instinctively feel the competitive pressure and also hate when a jewish guy gets taken by an asian girl (a la zuckerberg).

The friendliest people to asians in my experience has been in the mountain west/upper midwest.

[Anonymous]

How is this any different than all the sad, smart white boys who have been turned away for the past 20 years as Harvard tried to become more diverse? Shouldn't we also pray for the souls of those rich, smart, and well connected white boys?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is this any different than all the sad, smart white boys who have been turned away for the past 20 years as Harvard tried to become more diverse? Shouldn't we also pray for the souls of those rich, smart, and well connected white boys?

Yes, in fact lower or middle-middle class white girls (and boys) absolutely get hammered on elite college acceptances.

They should be standing with asians on this.

[Anonymous]

The leadership and executive boards would look like tj if we choose the most competent and intelligent people.

[Anonymous]

I interview a lot of students and Ivy League kids often interview the worst, particularly the Asian ones. No spark and often a passive desire simply to rely on what's on their resumes. I wonder whether some of those Asian groups realize how the Asian students might do better if they had to mix it up a bit, or whether it's simply that in their ideal world everything in life would always be decided on how well you did on the last standardized test.

[Anonymous]

Grades and standardized test scores are two of the criterion for entrance to colleges. Other factors do come into play and they include essays, special interests, extracurricular activities, athletics, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Y'all are making up asinine arguments to get upset about. What some Asians are upset about is that they think some good schools are intentionally discriminating against them, ostensibly to make classes more diverse but really out of subconscious animus. I don't know if they're right or not, but I know there is ample historical evidence to believe that schools do this. It is extremely well documented that the Ivies originally created affirmative action as a pretext for not admitting qualified Jewish students, whom they considered to be uncivilized. "We want a varied student body" was a cover for massive and systemic anti-semitism, and people who wanted to pretend it wasn't made the same silly arguments as y'all are making in here (But we couldn't possibly accept all these qualified Jews! These Jews care an irrational amount about getting into good schools!).

If schools are using their diversity rules to discriminate, unconsciously or otherwise, against Asians, they should stop. All large private schools receive state funds, and even if they didn't, education is too important to this country to ignore when the university system is perpetuating racism in a mass scale. As I mentioned, I have no idea how strong the case for discrimination actually is. But I certainly notice the ample vaguely racist and dismissive attitudes about Asians on this board.

I applaud your eloquence. I agree with everything you said and it certainly stopped all the "vaguely racist and dismissive attitudes about Asians on this board". What is ironic is that most people in charge of the admissions office or on the admissions committee engaged in this "discrimination" are probably Jewish and one would think that they would be more sensitive/sympathetic of this sort of systematic discrimination since they themselves or their parents may have faced the same type of discrimination in admission to same type of schools decades ago.

Jewish people (especially the women) hate asians. They instinctively feel the competitive pressure and also hate when a jewish guy gets taken by an asian girl (a la zuckerberg).

The friendliest people to asians in my experience has been in the mountain west/upper midwest.

Mazal tov, you're an anti-semite!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Grades and standardized test scores are two of the criterion for entrance to colleges. Other factors do come into play and they include essays, special interests, extracurricular activities, athletics, etc.

Asians are discriminated controlling for similar extracurricular activities such as sports and leadership positions. That's what the lawsuit was saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see how many just don't make it pass the interview process. Sure, test scores alone may get you 1/2 way but they do not tell the story.

Interviews are not at all significant (and optional)in the admission process for top colleges except for maybe MIT and don't automatically assume that Asian Americans will perform poorly in interviews compared to other groups.

Why, is there interview prep? Maybe somebody should create that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be interesting to see how many just don't make it pass the interview process. Sure, test scores alone may get you 1/2 way but they do not tell the story.

Interviews are not at all significant (and optional)in the admission process for top colleges except for maybe MIT and don't automatically assume that Asian Americans will perform poorly in interviews compared to other groups.

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