Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:The 47.1 motion is really interesting to me because I think all of Wayfarer's best arguments against it are procedural/technical, but that the facts favor Lively if she can overcome those challenges.

There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

She did make the request to destroy the dailies directly. The text about the destruction didn't mention her team.

Further, at her depostion, she denied that she or anyone acting on her behalf [b]made such a request.

The text also indicates that all dailies were destroyed, and that there was no nudity.

Lastly, You have no personal knowledge of what Giannettti knew or didn't know, so let's just discount your descvription of her as "someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, " she 's an uniinterested third party who establishs (1) dailies were destroyed at Blake's request despite lack of nudity, and (2) Blake lied at her deposition. Clearly a Blake bot like you would try to discredit her.

None of this has ever been litigated. You are basing this entire opinion on a single text in which Giannetti clearly shows she doesn't know what she's talking about because she claims IEWU has no nudity. But it did have nudity, and was filmed with nudity, which is why Lively had a nudity rider for the film. Yet based on this text which contains a clear falsehood, you are declaring that Lively lied in her deposition. Yet Wayfarer at no point accused Lively of lying in her deposition, and also didn't raise this issue of Lively supposedly destroying evidence at any point during litigation.

This is how the Baldoni Reddit slop system works. These meritless legal claims (Vanzan, the dailies thing, everything related to Taylor Swift) gets suggested by Freedman or via an unsourced article in a tabloid (meaning: Freedman) but never actually filed in the case because it is in fact meritless. The sad little corner of Reddit full of people who have made hating Blake Lively their entire personality goes manic on cue. The content creators make hay (and $$$) off the issue with TT and YT videos. And then you all think this is a settled fact of the case even though from the perspective of the docket, the judge, and the actual law, it never happened at all. Because they never even brought these arguments! Because they are baseless. And yet you parrot them here like the good little lapdogs you are.

I said it before and I'll said again: I feel sorry for the pro-Baldoni folks. Imagine being led around by your nose like this for almost two years and not even realizing it.

Sorry for the inconvenient truth --Lively knew Van Zan was coming in at trial and filed a motion in limine to try to stop it.

Why would WF "publicly accuse" Lively at lying at her depo? They would just save it for her cross examination at trial.

I don't know what or why you are babbling on about reddit -- I don't read it.

What I do know is Blake was so desperate to settle the case that she settled with no money being exchanged and no NDA. And what a coindcidence, immediately after the news about her document destruction broke. A histrocially bad settlement for a plaintiff who claimed over and over she just wanted her day in Court.

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Assuming (without deciding) that an application by a prevailing defendant for relief under California Civil Code Section 47.1(b) may be made pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 54, which party bears the burden of proof of showing that the communication is privileged under Section 47.1(a), including whether that burden differs depending on whether the application is for attorneys’ fees alone or also for treble and punitive damages, and whether the burden differs where Section 47.1(b) relief is sought through Rule 54 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The parties may also address how that burden may be discharged.

He could not be more explicit that there might be a different burden of proof when Rule 54 is invoked.

Further, the last time he used the "assuming without deciding" language was with respect to the enforcibility of the ALA, and he later made that the focus of oral argument.

Yes, there might be and there might not. That's why he's asking for arguments. Who is disputing this.

You can't read into that language the way you are here. This is just how judges request briefing on a specific issue and prevent parties from sneaking in other arguments. Also, as pointed out upthread, when he used the same language on the MSJ, it was because he actually did NOT dismiss all Lively's claims -- he retained three claims and in doing so had to evaluate the the merits of the underlying SH claims since they had direct bearing on the remaining three claims. It wasn't a trick to make you think he wasn't going to apply ALA, he actually needed to address the issues he was asking to have briefed. I would assume the same thing here. It does not mean he is going to decide 47.1 doesn't apply under FRCP 54. You're reading a pattern where one doesn't exist, and based on a misunderstanding of how he decided the prior motion.

No party was arguing that a different burden of proof existed when 47.1 was applied in federal cases until Liman himself raised the possibility. You can argue that has no significance but please, that’s a silly argument.

You also haven’t addressed Lively”s attempt to use 47.1 for a dismissal on jurisdictional grounds. Liman is no doubt aware of it, and it shows how overbroad 47.1 is.

It's important that Liman is focused on who has the burden of proof, yes. No one is arguing otherwise. It's just not obviously beneficial to either side?

Liman's job is not to consider if 47.1 is "over broad" nor to weigh in on the 47.1 motion in Texas. Neither of these things will have any bearing on Liman's decision. I don't actually have an obligation to "address" Lively's 47.1 motion in Texas, btw. I'm just a commenter on a message board. I honestly don't know much about the Texas proceedings at all so can't weigh in.

I already said that Liman would be ruling on the case in front of him. But Likely's TX motion makes obvious the manner in which R. 47.1 can easily be abused due to defects in drafting. She can't stop herself from overreaching.

I can't take you seriously when you write like this. I just can't. You are making it sound like Lively wrote 47.1. She's just seeking relief under it. You think she should refrain from seeking relief under an existing law because... why? Baldoni rules and she drools? Grow up.

Grow up? How about learn to read? I said that Blake seeking attorneys fees under Rule 47.1 on the basis of a MTD decided on purely procedural grounds was overreaching. You can't even bring yourself to really defend it because it is quite simply ridiculous. And
if Rule 47.1 can be interpreted at supporting such abuse, it is an overbroad restriction on free speech.

I don't understand why seeking fees on the basis of a granted MTD is overreach. If it's dismissed on the merits it's no different from a jury verdict. Actually better, because it means the lawsuit didn't have any legal merit at all, which makes it more likely a judge will grant fees for wasting everyone's time.

Courts award attorneys fees on the basis of a granted MTD all the time.

I guess we differ on whether a plaintiff whose substantive claims are never addressed should be deemed to have not prevailed and liable for attorney's fees. When a Court dismisses on the basis of personal jurisdiction, they aren't addressing the substance of the defamation claims. Of course, you know this, but are unable to ever admit anything Blake does is wrong, or similarly, that you are wrong.

You keep confusing the lawsuits. Lively prevailed in the defamation action. That's the one at issue in the 47.1 motion. It wasn't dismissed on the basis of personal jurisdiction. It was dismissed because Baldoni failed to identify a single defamatory statement made by Lively or the other defendants. Lively does not need to win her SH case against Baldoni for his defamation lawsuit against her to violate 47.1, because her claims need only be made in good faith, which they were.

I am happy to admit I'm wrong when I am, in fact, wrong. But in this case you are mistaken.

Keep up, I'm talking about the Wallace case as I have been throughout this thread. Did you Bot batteries need to be recharged?

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Assuming (without deciding) that an application by a prevailing defendant for relief under California Civil Code Section 47.1(b) may be made pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 54, which party bears the burden of proof of showing that the communication is privileged under Section 47.1(a), including whether that burden differs depending on whether the application is for attorneys’ fees alone or also for treble and punitive damages, and whether the burden differs where Section 47.1(b) relief is sought through Rule 54 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The parties may also address how that burden may be discharged.

He could not be more explicit that there might be a different burden of proof when Rule 54 is invoked.

Further, the last time he used the "assuming without deciding" language was with respect to the enforcibility of the ALA, and he later made that the focus of oral argument.

Yes, there might be and there might not. That's why he's asking for arguments. Who is disputing this.

You can't read into that language the way you are here. This is just how judges request briefing on a specific issue and prevent parties from sneaking in other arguments. Also, as pointed out upthread, when he used the same language on the MSJ, it was because he actually did NOT dismiss all Lively's claims -- he retained three claims and in doing so had to evaluate the the merits of the underlying SH claims since they had direct bearing on the remaining three claims. It wasn't a trick to make you think he wasn't going to apply ALA, he actually needed to address the issues he was asking to have briefed. I would assume the same thing here. It does not mean he is going to decide 47.1 doesn't apply under FRCP 54. You're reading a pattern where one doesn't exist, and based on a misunderstanding of how he decided the prior motion.

No party was arguing that a different burden of proof existed when 47.1 was applied in federal cases until Liman himself raised the possibility. You can argue that has no significance but please, that’s a silly argument.

You also haven’t addressed Lively”s attempt to use 47.1 for a dismissal on jurisdictional grounds. Liman is no doubt aware of it, and it shows how overbroad 47.1 is.

It's important that Liman is focused on who has the burden of proof, yes. No one is arguing otherwise. It's just not obviously beneficial to either side?

Liman's job is not to consider if 47.1 is "over broad" nor to weigh in on the 47.1 motion in Texas. Neither of these things will have any bearing on Liman's decision. I don't actually have an obligation to "address" Lively's 47.1 motion in Texas, btw. I'm just a commenter on a message board. I honestly don't know much about the Texas proceedings at all so can't weigh in.

I already said that Liman would be ruling on the case in front of him. But Likely's TX motion makes obvious the manner in which R. 47.1 can easily be abused due to defects in drafting. She can't stop herself from overreaching.

I can't take you seriously when you write like this. I just can't. You are making it sound like Lively wrote 47.1. She's just seeking relief under it. You think she should refrain from seeking relief under an existing law because... why? Baldoni rules and she drools? Grow up.

Grow up? How about learn to read? I said that Blake seeking attorneys fees under Rule 47.1 on the basis of a MTD decided on purely procedural grounds was overreaching. You can't even bring yourself to really defend it because it is quite simply ridiculous. And
if Rule 47.1 can be interpreted at supporting such abuse, it is an overbroad restriction on free speech.

I don't understand why seeking fees on the basis of a granted MTD is overreach. If it's dismissed on the merits it's no different from a jury verdict. Actually better, because it means the lawsuit didn't have any legal merit at all, which makes it more likely a judge will grant fees for wasting everyone's time.

Courts award attorneys fees on the basis of a granted MTD all the time.

DP her suit against him was dismissed in nyc for the exact same reason and he’s not able to collect fees under 47.1. The law is clearly problematic. She’s suing someone she’s never met for fees under a harassment anti slapp law. Make it make sense.

It's easy to understand if you get that 47.1 was created because of the existing problem of people who have been accused, in good faith, of abuse or harassment, using the tactic of simply filing a baseless defamation lawsuit against their accuser in order silence them.

Lively's case was not dismissed for the "exact same reason" as Baldonis. In fact, her case was not dismissed -- some of her claims survived and the court went out of it's way to note that a jury could find that Lively had reasonably believed herself to have been sexually harassed. Meaning her claims were made in good faith, even if most were dismissed for other reasons.

Baldoni's lawsuit, even when viewed in the light most favorable to Baldoni/Wayfarer, failed to state a single claim for relief that could be supported by the law. Not even one. Against any defendants.

One of these was a good faith lawsuit based on a reasonable belief, the other was a meritless lawsuit filed as PR. 47.1 is only interested in punishing one of those.

We’re talking about Jed…

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Anonymous wrote:The 47.1 motion is really interesting to me because I think all of Wayfarer's best arguments against it are procedural/technical, but that the facts favor Lively if she can overcome those challenges.

There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

There is absolutely no nudity in this film. Absolutely none.

What do you mean she was talking out of her ass? Do you think she was just lying? So everyone’s lying but lively? She had never seen someone ask for dailies to be destroyed that didn’t have nudity. Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed and not just selective ones. You could see that clearly from the text.

Further in her deposition, she was asked did you ask to have dailies destroyed, she said no. She could’ve easily said, obviously my team stipulated that dailies with nudity would be destroyed. She didn’t say that because there were no scenes with nudity.

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It’s so cute that the Blake bots still believe in a case that Blake thought so little of she dropped for nothing so she could hustle off to the Met gala. Such blind devotion surely doesn’t come without payment of some kind right? Otherwise how sad to believe in a case that the actual plaintiff could care less about.

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Anonymous wrote:The 47.1 motion is really interesting to me because I think all of Wayfarer's best arguments against it are procedural/technical, but that the facts favor Lively if she can overcome those challenges.

There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

There is absolutely no nudity in this film. Absolutely none.

What do you mean she was talking out of her ass? Do you think she was just lying? So everyone’s lying but lively? She had never seen someone ask for dailies to be destroyed that didn’t have nudity. Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed and not just selective ones. You could see that clearly from the text.

Further in her deposition, she was asked did you ask to have dailies destroyed, she said no. She could’ve easily said, obviously my team stipulated that dailies with nudity would be destroyed. She didn’t say that because there were no scenes with nudity.

If there were no scenes with nudity then why did Lively have a nudity rider.

And how can you say "Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed"? That's not even what Gianetti's text said.

You understand who was in the possession of the dailies and would responsible for deleting them, right? Wayfarer. So if this really happened, if Lively demanded that a bunch of dailies that weren't even related to her nudity rider be destroyed, there would be a paper trail. It would not come down to an offhand remark by a Sony executive. There would be communications either from Lively or her team detailing the destruction of dailies, including the scope of these dailies. And then someone at Wayfarerer would actually have to sign off on their destruction (probably multiple someones because this is IP, so likely Jamey Heath and a lawyer), and then someone on staff would actually have to go delete them and report back that it had been done. And Wayfarer would have evidence of all of this. It's a documented process.

So where is it? Why is everyone relying on this one comment from Giannetti, who wouldn't even be directly involved?

Y'all are making a mountain out of literally nothing. There isn't even a molehill here.

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Assuming (without deciding) that an application by a prevailing defendant for relief under California Civil Code Section 47.1(b) may be made pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 54, which party bears the burden of proof of showing that the communication is privileged under Section 47.1(a), including whether that burden differs depending on whether the application is for attorneys’ fees alone or also for treble and punitive damages, and whether the burden differs where Section 47.1(b) relief is sought through Rule 54 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The parties may also address how that burden may be discharged.

He could not be more explicit that there might be a different burden of proof when Rule 54 is invoked.

Further, the last time he used the "assuming without deciding" language was with respect to the enforcibility of the ALA, and he later made that the focus of oral argument.

Yes, there might be and there might not. That's why he's asking for arguments. Who is disputing this.

You can't read into that language the way you are here. This is just how judges request briefing on a specific issue and prevent parties from sneaking in other arguments. Also, as pointed out upthread, when he used the same language on the MSJ, it was because he actually did NOT dismiss all Lively's claims -- he retained three claims and in doing so had to evaluate the the merits of the underlying SH claims since they had direct bearing on the remaining three claims. It wasn't a trick to make you think he wasn't going to apply ALA, he actually needed to address the issues he was asking to have briefed. I would assume the same thing here. It does not mean he is going to decide 47.1 doesn't apply under FRCP 54. You're reading a pattern where one doesn't exist, and based on a misunderstanding of how he decided the prior motion.

No party was arguing that a different burden of proof existed when 47.1 was applied in federal cases until Liman himself raised the possibility. You can argue that has no significance but please, that’s a silly argument.

You also haven’t addressed Lively”s attempt to use 47.1 for a dismissal on jurisdictional grounds. Liman is no doubt aware of it, and it shows how overbroad 47.1 is.

It's important that Liman is focused on who has the burden of proof, yes. No one is arguing otherwise. It's just not obviously beneficial to either side?

Liman's job is not to consider if 47.1 is "over broad" nor to weigh in on the 47.1 motion in Texas. Neither of these things will have any bearing on Liman's decision. I don't actually have an obligation to "address" Lively's 47.1 motion in Texas, btw. I'm just a commenter on a message board. I honestly don't know much about the Texas proceedings at all so can't weigh in.

I already said that Liman would be ruling on the case in front of him. But Likely's TX motion makes obvious the manner in which R. 47.1 can easily be abused due to defects in drafting. She can't stop herself from overreaching.

I can't take you seriously when you write like this. I just can't. You are making it sound like Lively wrote 47.1. She's just seeking relief under it. You think she should refrain from seeking relief under an existing law because... why? Baldoni rules and she drools? Grow up.

Grow up? How about learn to read? I said that Blake seeking attorneys fees under Rule 47.1 on the basis of a MTD decided on purely procedural grounds was overreaching. You can't even bring yourself to really defend it because it is quite simply ridiculous. And
if Rule 47.1 can be interpreted at supporting such abuse, it is an overbroad restriction on free speech.

I don't understand why seeking fees on the basis of a granted MTD is overreach. If it's dismissed on the merits it's no different from a jury verdict. Actually better, because it means the lawsuit didn't have any legal merit at all, which makes it more likely a judge will grant fees for wasting everyone's time.

Courts award attorneys fees on the basis of a granted MTD all the time.

DP her suit against him was dismissed in nyc for the exact same reason and he’s not able to collect fees under 47.1. The law is clearly problematic. She’s suing someone she’s never met for fees under a harassment anti slapp law. Make it make sense.

It's easy to understand if you get that 47.1 was created because of the existing problem of people who have been accused, in good faith, of abuse or harassment, using the tactic of simply filing a baseless defamation lawsuit against their accuser in order silence them.

Lively's case was not dismissed for the "exact same reason" as Baldonis. In fact, her case was not dismissed -- some of her claims survived and the court went out of it's way to note that a jury could find that Lively had reasonably believed herself to have been sexually harassed. Meaning her claims were made in good faith, even if most were dismissed for other reasons.

Baldoni's lawsuit, even when viewed in the light most favorable to Baldoni/Wayfarer, failed to state a single claim for relief that could be supported by the law. Not even one. Against any defendants.

One of these was a good faith lawsuit based on a reasonable belief, the other was a meritless lawsuit filed as PR. 47.1 is only interested in punishing one of those.

We’re talking about Jed…

Why? There is no development in that case. The subject on the thread right now is the 47.1 motion before Liman because there's a hearing in his court on Monday. Why on earth would we be talking about the Texas case which is dormant at the moment?

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Assuming (without deciding) that an application by a prevailing defendant for relief under California Civil Code Section 47.1(b) may be made pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 54, which party bears the burden of proof of showing that the communication is privileged under Section 47.1(a), including whether that burden differs depending on whether the application is for attorneys’ fees alone or also for treble and punitive damages, and whether the burden differs where Section 47.1(b) relief is sought through Rule 54 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The parties may also address how that burden may be discharged.

He could not be more explicit that there might be a different burden of proof when Rule 54 is invoked.

Further, the last time he used the "assuming without deciding" language was with respect to the enforcibility of the ALA, and he later made that the focus of oral argument.

Yes, there might be and there might not. That's why he's asking for arguments. Who is disputing this.

You can't read into that language the way you are here. This is just how judges request briefing on a specific issue and prevent parties from sneaking in other arguments. Also, as pointed out upthread, when he used the same language on the MSJ, it was because he actually did NOT dismiss all Lively's claims -- he retained three claims and in doing so had to evaluate the the merits of the underlying SH claims since they had direct bearing on the remaining three claims. It wasn't a trick to make you think he wasn't going to apply ALA, he actually needed to address the issues he was asking to have briefed. I would assume the same thing here. It does not mean he is going to decide 47.1 doesn't apply under FRCP 54. You're reading a pattern where one doesn't exist, and based on a misunderstanding of how he decided the prior motion.

No party was arguing that a different burden of proof existed when 47.1 was applied in federal cases until Liman himself raised the possibility. You can argue that has no significance but please, that’s a silly argument.

You also haven’t addressed Lively”s attempt to use 47.1 for a dismissal on jurisdictional grounds. Liman is no doubt aware of it, and it shows how overbroad 47.1 is.

It's important that Liman is focused on who has the burden of proof, yes. No one is arguing otherwise. It's just not obviously beneficial to either side?

Liman's job is not to consider if 47.1 is "over broad" nor to weigh in on the 47.1 motion in Texas. Neither of these things will have any bearing on Liman's decision. I don't actually have an obligation to "address" Lively's 47.1 motion in Texas, btw. I'm just a commenter on a message board. I honestly don't know much about the Texas proceedings at all so can't weigh in.

I already said that Liman would be ruling on the case in front of him. But Likely's TX motion makes obvious the manner in which R. 47.1 can easily be abused due to defects in drafting. She can't stop herself from overreaching.

I can't take you seriously when you write like this. I just can't. You are making it sound like Lively wrote 47.1. She's just seeking relief under it. You think she should refrain from seeking relief under an existing law because... why? Baldoni rules and she drools? Grow up.

Grow up? How about learn to read? I said that Blake seeking attorneys fees under Rule 47.1 on the basis of a MTD decided on purely procedural grounds was overreaching. You can't even bring yourself to really defend it because it is quite simply ridiculous. And
if Rule 47.1 can be interpreted at supporting such abuse, it is an overbroad restriction on free speech.

I don't understand why seeking fees on the basis of a granted MTD is overreach. If it's dismissed on the merits it's no different from a jury verdict. Actually better, because it means the lawsuit didn't have any legal merit at all, which makes it more likely a judge will grant fees for wasting everyone's time.

Courts award attorneys fees on the basis of a granted MTD all the time.

DP her suit against him was dismissed in nyc for the exact same reason and he’s not able to collect fees under 47.1. The law is clearly problematic. She’s suing someone she’s never met for fees under a harassment anti slapp law. Make it make sense.

It's easy to understand if you get that 47.1 was created because of the existing problem of people who have been accused, in good faith, of abuse or harassment, using the tactic of simply filing a baseless defamation lawsuit against their accuser in order silence them.

Lively's case was not dismissed for the "exact same reason" as Baldonis. In fact, her case was not dismissed -- some of her claims survived and the court went out of it's way to note that a jury could find that Lively had reasonably believed herself to have been sexually harassed. Meaning her claims were made in good faith, even if most were dismissed for other reasons.

Baldoni's lawsuit, even when viewed in the light most favorable to Baldoni/Wayfarer, failed to state a single claim for relief that could be supported by the law. Not even one. Against any defendants.

One of these was a good faith lawsuit based on a reasonable belief, the other was a meritless lawsuit filed as PR. 47.1 is only interested in punishing one of those.

We’re talking about Jed…

Why? There is no development in that case. The subject on the thread right now is the 47.1 motion before Liman because there's a hearing in his court on Monday. Why on earth would we be talking about the Texas case which is dormant at the moment?

Because it is a related federal court case where Lively also filed for fees under 47.1?

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There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

There is absolutely no nudity in this film. Absolutely none.

What do you mean she was talking out of her ass? Do you think she was just lying? So everyone’s lying but lively? She had never seen someone ask for dailies to be destroyed that didn’t have nudity. Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed and not just selective ones. You could see that clearly from the text.

Further in her deposition, she was asked did you ask to have dailies destroyed, she said no. She could’ve easily said, obviously my team stipulated that dailies with nudity would be destroyed. She didn’t say that because there were no scenes with nudity.

If there were no scenes with nudity then why did Lively have a nudity rider.

And how can you say "Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed"? That's not even what Gianetti's text said.

You understand who was in the possession of the dailies and would responsible for deleting them, right? Wayfarer. So if this really happened, if Lively demanded that a bunch of dailies that weren't even related to her nudity rider be destroyed, there would be a paper trail. It would not come down to an offhand remark by a Sony executive. There would be communications either from Lively or her team detailing the destruction of dailies, including the scope of these dailies. And then someone at Wayfarerer would actually have to sign off on their destruction (probably multiple someones because this is IP, so likely Jamey Heath and a lawyer), and then someone on staff would actually have to go delete them and report back that it had been done. And Wayfarer would have evidence of all of this. It's a documented process.

So where is it? Why is everyone relying on this one comment from Giannetti, who wouldn't even be directly involved?

Y'all are making a mountain out of literally nothing. There isn't even a molehill here.

The text clearly says the dailies were destroyed at Lively’s request. Seems like a paper trail.

She asked Sony because she had cut WF out of the process by September 2024. She presumably didn’t realize they had their own copies.

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Anonymous wrote:The 47.1 motion is really interesting to me because I think all of Wayfarer's best arguments against it are procedural/technical, but that the facts favor Lively if she can overcome those challenges.

There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

There is absolutely no nudity in this film. Absolutely none.

What do you mean she was talking out of her ass? Do you think she was just lying? So everyone’s lying but lively? She had never seen someone ask for dailies to be destroyed that didn’t have nudity. Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed and not just selective ones. You could see that clearly from the text.

Further in her deposition, she was asked did you ask to have dailies destroyed, she said no. She could’ve easily said, obviously my team stipulated that dailies with nudity would be destroyed. She didn’t say that because there were no scenes with nudity.

If there were no scenes with nudity then why did Lively have a nudity rider.

And how can you say "Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed"? That's not even what Gianetti's text said.

You understand who was in the possession of the dailies and would responsible for deleting them, right? Wayfarer. So if this really happened, if Lively demanded that a bunch of dailies that weren't even related to her nudity rider be destroyed, there would be a paper trail. It would not come down to an offhand remark by a Sony executive. There would be communications either from Lively or her team detailing the destruction of dailies, including the scope of these dailies. And then someone at Wayfarerer would actually have to sign off on their destruction (probably multiple someones because this is IP, so likely Jamey Heath and a lawyer), and then someone on staff would actually have to go delete them and report back that it had been done. And Wayfarer would have evidence of all of this. It's a documented process.

So where is it? Why is everyone relying on this one comment from Giannetti, who wouldn't even be directly involved?

Y'all are making a mountain out of literally nothing. There isn't even a molehill here.

Are you really the stupid? The nudity rider stipulates… Wait for it… No nudity.

Do you know anything about Blake? For the past several years she doesn’t do nudity. And I’ve actually seen the film. With my own eyes. There’s no nudity. Sony had actually pushed for more sex scenes and they dropped it when it just wasn’t happening with her. She was incredibly concerned with her postpartum body and they watered down a lot of the scenes that they wanted to put in.

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There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

There is absolutely no nudity in this film. Absolutely none.

What do you mean she was talking out of her ass? Do you think she was just lying? So everyone’s lying but lively? She had never seen someone ask for dailies to be destroyed that didn’t have nudity. Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed and not just selective ones. You could see that clearly from the text.

Further in her deposition, she was asked did you ask to have dailies destroyed, she said no. She could’ve easily said, obviously my team stipulated that dailies with nudity would be destroyed. She didn’t say that because there were no scenes with nudity.

If there were no scenes with nudity then why did Lively have a nudity rider.

And how can you say "Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed"? That's not even what Gianetti's text said.

You understand who was in the possession of the dailies and would responsible for deleting them, right? Wayfarer. So if this really happened, if Lively demanded that a bunch of dailies that weren't even related to her nudity rider be destroyed, there would be a paper trail. It would not come down to an offhand remark by a Sony executive. There would be communications either from Lively or her team detailing the destruction of dailies, including the scope of these dailies. And then someone at Wayfarerer would actually have to sign off on their destruction (probably multiple someones because this is IP, so likely Jamey Heath and a lawyer), and then someone on staff would actually have to go delete them and report back that it had been done. And Wayfarer would have evidence of all of this. It's a documented process.

So where is it? Why is everyone relying on this one comment from Giannetti, who wouldn't even be directly involved?

Y'all are making a mountain out of literally nothing. There isn't even a molehill here.

The text clearly says the dailies were destroyed at Lively’s request. Seems like a paper trail.

She asked Sony because she had cut WF out of the process by September 2024. She presumably didn’t realize they had their own copies.

The text to Josh Greenstein, another Sony exec, word for word:

"call when u can. not urgent but Blake asking us to destroy some of the dailies. want to tell you what we will and won't do. also going to ask Bridget to contact all vendors and ask them to delete all dailies and need them to proof. ok? (1st time ive ever been asked to do this in movie with no nudity but ok.)"

She is saying Blake (unclear if Blake herself asked or someone else on her behalf -- it is normal in Hollywood where people are represented for something like this to go through multiple people) asked SONY for some dailies destroyed but doesn't specify which and even says they will not necessarily delete them all. She does does that she is asking vendors to delete all dailies and provide proof of destruction (this is standard). The comment about nudity is unclear. Is she saying that the request to destroy dailies at all is unusual or that the request for vendors to provide proof of destruction is unusual when there is no nudity? Who knows.

Also this is a text between two Sony execs. Sony of course had access to the dailies because they did a cut of the film (with Blake) plus the promotion of the film (dailies footage might be used in trailers and other promo even if it's a moment not specifically included in the film or from another cut). But Wayfarer owned the dailies and would have all originals. It's their intellectual property.

This is a very incomplete picture of what happened with the dailies and actually proves very little. It shows that Blake asked SONY to delete some dailies and also that Sony directed vendors to delete all dailies, and that Giannetti thought this seemed overzealous for this particular film but also agreed to it.

Here's what it doesn't prove: anything about destruction of Wayfarer's original copies of the dailies. IF Blake asked them to delete the dailies, there would be evidence of that request plus evidence it had occurred. Yet we have none. Wayfarer isn't even a party to this text.

It's nothing. This is nothing. It certainly doesn't prove that Blake lied in her deposition, or that she was attempting to destroy evidence, or that she filed her lawsuit with malice. It's not enough.

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Anonymous wrote:The 47.1 motion is really interesting to me because I think all of Wayfarer's best arguments against it are procedural/technical, but that the facts favor Lively if she can overcome those challenges.

There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

There is absolutely no nudity in this film. Absolutely none.

What do you mean she was talking out of her ass? Do you think she was just lying? So everyone’s lying but lively? She had never seen someone ask for dailies to be destroyed that didn’t have nudity. Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed and not just selective ones. You could see that clearly from the text.

Further in her deposition, she was asked did you ask to have dailies destroyed, she said no. She could’ve easily said, obviously my team stipulated that dailies with nudity would be destroyed. She didn’t say that because there were no scenes with nudity.

If there were no scenes with nudity then why did Lively have a nudity rider.

And how can you say "Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed"? That's not even what Gianetti's text said.

You understand who was in the possession of the dailies and would responsible for deleting them, right? Wayfarer. So if this really happened, if Lively demanded that a bunch of dailies that weren't even related to her nudity rider be destroyed, there would be a paper trail. It would not come down to an offhand remark by a Sony executive. There would be communications either from Lively or her team detailing the destruction of dailies, including the scope of these dailies. And then someone at Wayfarerer would actually have to sign off on their destruction (probably multiple someones because this is IP, so likely Jamey Heath and a lawyer), and then someone on staff would actually have to go delete them and report back that it had been done. And Wayfarer would have evidence of all of this. It's a documented process.

So where is it? Why is everyone relying on this one comment from Giannetti, who wouldn't even be directly involved?

Y'all are making a mountain out of literally nothing. There isn't even a molehill here.

The text clearly says the dailies were destroyed at Lively’s request. Seems like a paper trail.

She asked Sony because she had cut WF out of the process by September 2024. She presumably didn’t realize they had their own copies.

The text to Josh Greenstein, another Sony exec, word for word:

"call when u can. not urgent but Blake asking us to destroy some of the dailies. want to tell you what we will and won't do. also going to ask Bridget to contact all vendors and ask them to delete all dailies and need them to proof. ok? (1st time ive ever been asked to do this in movie with no nudity but ok.)"

She is saying Blake (unclear if Blake herself asked or someone else on her behalf -- it is normal in Hollywood where people are represented for something like this to go through multiple people) asked SONY for some dailies destroyed but doesn't specify which and even says they will not necessarily delete them all. She does does that she is asking vendors to delete all dailies and provide proof of destruction (this is standard). The comment about nudity is unclear. Is she saying that the request to destroy dailies at all is unusual or that the request for vendors to provide proof of destruction is unusual when there is no nudity? Who knows.

Also this is a text between two Sony execs. Sony of course had access to the dailies because they did a cut of the film (with Blake) plus the promotion of the film (dailies footage might be used in trailers and other promo even if it's a moment not specifically included in the film or from another cut). But Wayfarer owned the dailies and would have all originals. It's their intellectual property.

This is a very incomplete picture of what happened with the dailies and actually proves very little. It shows that Blake asked SONY to delete some dailies and also that Sony directed vendors to delete all dailies, and that Giannetti thought this seemed overzealous for this particular film but also agreed to it.

Here's what it doesn't prove: anything about destruction of Wayfarer's original copies of the dailies. IF Blake asked them to delete the dailies, there would be evidence of that request plus evidence it had occurred. Yet we have none. Wayfarer isn't even a party to this text.

It's nothing. This is nothing. It certainly doesn't prove that Blake lied in her deposition, or that she was attempting to destroy evidence, or that she filed her lawsuit with malice. It's not enough.

It quite clearly said that she asked vendors to delete "all dailies" because "Blake asked us to delete some of them." We also know there were no nude scenes so no reason to delete.

No one said Blake destroyed all evidence, just that she asked Sony to delete dailies around the same time she filed the Van Zan complaint despite there being no nudity in the dailies to justifiy deletion. And then she lied when asked about it at her deposition.

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Clearly, Sony was concerned about her request to destroy dailies, they literally needed to check the policy. It was not run of the mill, there was confusion around it, and Ange has had a long career and has stated she’s never seen anything like this.

But oh maybe she was just talking out of her ass? That makes absolutely no sense. She’s been really professional throughout this whole ordeal and really tried to be in the middle and placate everyone especially lively.

Further, when Blake was asked about this, she lied about it. It’s just really as simple as that.

Vanzan among other things was a reason that they settled so quickly for so little. They had no idea the public was going to find out about it, because this was supposed to end when the New York Times article dropped. We have proof of the text between Ryan blake and Taylor. It’s over… never seen anyone be uncanceled so fast, etc.

They were done and ready to celebrate. Blake was on target to attend the Super Bowl with Taylor. Then a couple weeks later everything changed. Immediately Vanzan received a ton of backlash, even among people who couldn’t have cared less about this case or these celebs, but were appalled at the ethics and wanted to educate the public about its implications.

Vanzan is going to continue to come up and plague Blake with bad headlines because the Joneswork case is just heating up, and VanZan plays a critical role in that case.

To act as if it is a nothing burger is disingenuous. You are not fooling anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:The 47.1 motion is really interesting to me because I think all of Wayfarer's best arguments against it are procedural/technical, but that the facts favor Lively if she can overcome those challenges.

There are absolutely questions about whether the court can even apply 47.1, including the jurisdictional issues and the question of whether the dismissal of Wayfarer's defamation lawsuit can be considered a final decision in Lively's favor.

However, if those objections are overcome, I think Lively has strong arguments both that there is a protected communication and that her allegations were made without malice. I know the Baldoni folks on here will yell at me for that, but just taking the "without malice" issue, we have the settlement statement saying Lively's concerns deserved to be heard, and we have a text from Baldoni saying that Lively truly believed she had been wronged. And that's on top of Lively's own testimony, texts, and emails, all of which seem to back up the idea that she was genuinely upset about what had happened on set and believed lines had been crossed. I think that's hard to overcome.

I actually don’t think the facts favor lively on the question of without malice when you consider Vanzan and the email from Sony saying Blake wanted to destroy the dailies. Taken together that shows a person who was invested in controlling the narrative not in the truth or a redress of grievances. Also explains why there were so many “lies.” I use quotes b/c Blake’s fans will say they weren’t lies and that she just misremembered. But the dance scene and smells so good comes to mind. As well as the birthing scene where she made it seem like Adam was flown in just to look at her half dressed when in fact he had been on set the entire time as Justin’s acting coach. She also made it seem intimate when the baby and the baby’s parents were in the room just off camera. But if Blake could have controlled the narrative as she wanted we’d never know that. That shows malice.

Explain how Vanzan or the Sony email show that Lively brought her lawsuit "with malice."

The argument from Lively's side is/will be: she made the complaints about both on set behavior and Baldoni's other behavior in real time as they happened, to Wayfarer and to Sony. She has contemporaneous texts and emails with other people expressing her distress about what was happening on set. She has the 17 point list asking for certain conditions to be met to ensure a safe set before she returned. She has Baldoni telling his PR team that Lively clearly really believed she'd been wronged. And she has the joint announcement of the settlement which states that both sides agree Lively's claims "deserved to be heard."

On the other side, the argument is what exactly? Her lawyers used a tricky subpoena to get Jen Abel's text messages in advance of her lawsuit? How does that show malice? Or that she requested to have some dailies destroyed (not all as some of you keep saying, just those featuring intimate scenes/nudity) and a Sony exec thought that was irregular? Again, how does that show malice? Make the legal argument.

Y'all are going to try this motion on Reddit in your little echo chamber and then once again be so shocked when the actual ruling has nothing to do with all your little pet obsessions like Vanzan or Taylor Swift or Ryan Reynold's finances or whatever. Has Vanzan ever even been raised in any legal argument by Wayfarer in the Lively case? I don't think it has. Shouldn't that tell you something about whether it's a relevant argument? Baldoni's own lawyers haven't even used it for anything.

Wishful thinking on your part. The judge has already hinted that the evidence shows lively may have acted with the intent to harm. He brought it up in one of the recent hearings. Saying the record is suggestive she leaked her complaint to the NYT and I quote “may have been seeking to harm”. The judge has all the evidence now and will have to make a determination on malice based on the information he has. If Lively wasn’t seeking to harm, why did she file a sham lawsuit denying defendants the opportunity to fire an MTQ. And in her own spoliation motion lively said WF had a duty to preserve going back to the 17 point list yet she was actively trying to destroy evidence around the time of vamzan (both are from sept 2024).

The judge definitely didn't say that, who is engaging in wishful thinking now

If Vanzan were a sham lawsuit that violated any rule, it would have been addressed by now. It was a shady lawyer trick, but it's allowed, and it didn't prevent the defendants in Lively v. Wayfarer from making whatever motions they wanted to make to keep them out of the litigation. Unfortunately, they aren't privileged in any way. They also would have come out in Jones v. Abel regardless. Vanzan is such a nothing burger, it is hilarious to me that people still think it matters.

There is zero evidence that Lively was trying to destroy evidence. The dailies she requested to be destroyed were those involving intimate scenes or nudity, and she didn't even make the request directly. Her representation made it because they were seeking to enforce her nudity rider which required it. Ange Giannetti was speaking out of her a$$ when she commented on it in that text, because she said she'd never seen that in a movie "without nudity." But there was nudity in the film. Giannetti was just mistaken and a single text from someone who doesn't actually know what they are talking about isn't evidence of anything, much less malice.

There is absolutely no nudity in this film. Absolutely none.

What do you mean she was talking out of her ass? Do you think she was just lying? So everyone’s lying but lively? She had never seen someone ask for dailies to be destroyed that didn’t have nudity. Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed and not just selective ones. You could see that clearly from the text.

Further in her deposition, she was asked did you ask to have dailies destroyed, she said no. She could’ve easily said, obviously my team stipulated that dailies with nudity would be destroyed. She didn’t say that because there were no scenes with nudity.

If there were no scenes with nudity then why did Lively have a nudity rider.

And how can you say "Lively was clearly asking for broad dailies to be destroyed"? That's not even what Gianetti's text said.

You understand who was in the possession of the dailies and would responsible for deleting them, right? Wayfarer. So if this really happened, if Lively demanded that a bunch of dailies that weren't even related to her nudity rider be destroyed, there would be a paper trail. It would not come down to an offhand remark by a Sony executive. There would be communications either from Lively or her team detailing the destruction of dailies, including the scope of these dailies. And then someone at Wayfarerer would actually have to sign off on their destruction (probably multiple someones because this is IP, so likely Jamey Heath and a lawyer), and then someone on staff would actually have to go delete them and report back that it had been done. And Wayfarer would have evidence of all of this. It's a documented process.

So where is it? Why is everyone relying on this one comment from Giannetti, who wouldn't even be directly involved?

Y'all are making a mountain out of literally nothing. There isn't even a molehill here.

The text clearly says the dailies were destroyed at Lively’s request. Seems like a paper trail.

She asked Sony because she had cut WF out of the process by September 2024. She presumably didn’t realize they had their own copies.

The text to Josh Greenstein, another Sony exec, word for word:

"call when u can. not urgent but Blake asking us to destroy some of the dailies. want to tell you what we will and won't do. also going to ask Bridget to contact all vendors and ask them to delete all dailies and need them to proof. ok? (1st time ive ever been asked to do this in movie with no nudity but ok.)"

She is saying Blake (unclear if Blake herself asked or someone else on her behalf -- it is normal in Hollywood where people are represented for something like this to go through multiple people) asked SONY for some dailies destroyed but doesn't specify which and even says they will not necessarily delete them all. She does does that she is asking vendors to delete all dailies and provide proof of destruction (this is standard). The comment about nudity is unclear. Is she saying that the request to destroy dailies at all is unusual or that the request for vendors to provide proof of destruction is unusual when there is no nudity? Who knows.

Also this is a text between two Sony execs. Sony of course had access to the dailies because they did a cut of the film (with Blake) plus the promotion of the film (dailies footage might be used in trailers and other promo even if it's a moment not specifically included in the film or from another cut). But Wayfarer owned the dailies and would have all originals. It's their intellectual property.

This is a very incomplete picture of what happened with the dailies and actually proves very little. It shows that Blake asked SONY to delete some dailies and also that Sony directed vendors to delete all dailies, and that Giannetti thought this seemed overzealous for this particular film but also agreed to it.

Here's what it doesn't prove: anything about destruction of Wayfarer's original copies of the dailies. IF Blake asked them to delete the dailies, there would be evidence of that request plus evidence it had occurred. Yet we have none. Wayfarer isn't even a party to this text.

It's nothing. This is nothing. It certainly doesn't prove that Blake lied in her deposition, or that she was attempting to destroy evidence, or that she filed her lawsuit with malice. It's not enough.

You say it’s not enough but this is the problem with CA 47.1 and why it will be ruled unconstitutional. It’s a sloppy overbroad law that allows the prevailing defendant in a defamation case to seek treble damages without clarifying if the defendant needs to actually prevail on 47.1. Baldoni lost on litigation privilege and fair report, not 47.1. Jed lost on jurisdiction. A ruling on 47.1 requires a fact finding on malice which cannot happen here because there was no trial. This is why Liman is asking whose burden is it. Blake is going to lose this one. And if you care about the constitution you should want her to lose. California is notorious for passing sloppy and extreme laws. We don’t need their mess imposed on the rest of the country.