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[Anonymous]

I would think the assistant took a photo of the $$ to prove that he had it in his possession and dropped it off to no human being, not just b/c he thought it was "cool", less he be accused of stealing $40K. That's what I would do in his situation, not that that would help.

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Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I find it disturbing that you are locating these people on FB and reading their posts.

+1 I agree. The family should be left alone.

+2 His family didn't commit this crime. From what the news reports indicate, they're his victims too. Please leave them alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please, I can't believe you're even saying that! Do you think black people don't get upset when other black people murder people? Or even if that were the case that the WaPo cares enough about its black readers to downplay the biggest story of the month, even year???!!!

If you really believe this is the most important news story of the year, you need to get a grip and get some perspective, PP.

Seriously. Some of the posters in here are obsessive. This is a horrible tragedy, but guess what- it's not the biggest story of the year, it's not the most tragic crime in local or regional history, and there is no need for newspapers to post hourly updates. The child was tortured and that's disgusting. But it happened. Wishing and hoping it didn't, and continuing to cry and Lose sleep over this is venturing into obsessive territory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I find it disturbing that you are locating these people on FB and reading their posts.

+1 I agree. The family should be left alone.

+2 His family didn't commit this crime. From what the news reports indicate, they're his victims too. Please leave them alone.

Totally agree. You really should not be commenting on or reading fb posst of a teenager that you don't know, will never know and have no real interest in. You are viewing her facebook page in the hopes of finding out something nefarious that you can report back here. You have no good intentions at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please, I can't believe you're even saying that! Do you think black people don't get upset when other black people murder people? Or even if that were the case that the WaPo cares enough about its black readers to downplay the biggest story of the month, even year???!!!

If you really believe this is the most important news story of the year, you need to get a grip and get some perspective, PP.

Seriously. Some of the posters in here are obsessive. This is a horrible tragedy, but guess what- it's not the biggest story of the year, it's not the most tragic crime in local or regional history, and there is no need for newspapers to post hourly updates. The child was tortured and that's disgusting. But it happened. Wishing and hoping it didn't, and continuing to cry and Lose sleep over this is venturing into obsessive territory.

Its up there. I can think of a few others -- the Lyon sisters, the two girls in Spotsylvania -- but the details of this one are as horrific as anything I've heard. But I agree that even with that it is nowhere near the biggest story of the month or year. Thats just ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Yikes I meant to highlight the part about it not being the most tragic crime in local or regional history. Wish I could edit.

[Anonymous]

A while back people were saying they think the evidence against wint is circumstantial. Forgive me if someone else already mentioned this but - worst car scenario the bank didn't not record the serial numbers on the bills wouldn't at least a few serial numbers be visible in the picture the assistant took of the cash? Could the prosecutors then match those numbers to any of the bills in wint's possession?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please, I can't believe you're even saying that! Do you think black people don't get upset when other black people murder people? Or even if that were the case that the WaPo cares enough about its black readers to downplay the biggest story of the month, even year???!!!

If you really believe this is the most important news story of the year, you need to get a grip and get some perspective, PP.

Seriously. Some of the posters in here are obsessive. This is a horrible tragedy, but guess what- it's not the biggest story of the year, it's not the most tragic crime in local or regional history, and there is no need for newspapers to post hourly updates. The child was tortured and that's disgusting. But it happened. Wishing and hoping it didn't, and continuing to cry and Lose sleep over this is venturing into obsessive territory.[/quo

I agree it's not the biggest story, but for those of us who knew the family, it's hard not to stop thinking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please, I can't believe you're even saying that! Do you think black people don't get upset when other black people murder people? Or even if that were the case that the WaPo cares enough about its black readers to downplay the biggest story of the month, even year???!!!

If you really believe this is the most important news story of the year, you need to get a grip and get some perspective, PP.

Seriously. Some of the posters in here are obsessive. This is a horrible tragedy, but guess what- it's not the biggest story of the year, it's not the most tragic crime in local or regional history, and there is no need for newspapers to post hourly updates. The child was tortured and that's disgusting. But it happened. Wishing and hoping it didn't, and continuing to cry and Lose sleep over this is venturing into obsessive territory.[/quo

I agree it's not the biggest story, but for those of us who knew the family, it's hard not to stop thinking about.

Totally agree if you knew the family. But I think there are more than a few ppl on this forum who never met them or knew of them, and have gotten stalkerish and obsessive

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Anonymous wrote:Hines told us, "Well, there had to be some connection between Wint worked there, like, 10 years ago so there has to be some connection to someone that Wint knows that's working there now that was able to give the details to know about the money and that they could get the money delivered to the house."

From WUSA 9 Hines is a prosecuter.

I just wonder since she is not involved in this case nor is privy to inside information, how accurate her statement is. It's confusing to me because initially the news reports stated the money was being used for the opening of the Martial Arts Studio. Later reports stated that Mr. Savapoulos had to make multiple calls Thursday am to arrange for the money to be withdrawn. That is really what makes more sense, and would mean that there would not have been anything to tip anyone off about beforehand.
But who knows which story is true.

Early report from fox5

http://www.myfoxdc.com/clip/11517273/housekeeper-40000-in-cash-delivered-to-dc-home-where-4-murdered

Per the article, the housekeeper knew about the delivery because she got the information from the assistant. He told her AFTER the delivery. The information he passed along may well have been the cover story that Mr. Savapoulos was forced to use in order to get the money that Thursday. To my mind , this does not confirm that the money drop was arranged ahead of time.

That quote from Hines is very speculative! She is not THE prosecutor on this case or involved in this case at all. She is not privy to any additional evidence.

IMO, it seems like there was no stash of cash already at the company, nor was there even necessarily a pre-scheduled lump of cash already requested for the martial arts studio opening (and/or possibly for an art auction). I think it was reported that SS -- during his flurry of phone calls (Thursday morning or at the earliest beginning on Wed night) TOLD his employees "I need you to go to the bank and make a withdrawal of $40K. I need the money for the raffle prizes/last minute payments/whatever for the martial arts studio opening tomorrow night!" as an excuse he made up. I think he also, right before that, made phone calls to his bankers at BofA and said, "Hey, I need a large lump sum of cash. I inadvertently neglected to order as much as I need for an art auction/martial arts studio opening. What can you do for me?" The bank probably told him the absolute maximum amount of cash they could have on hand as of 1st thing Thursday morning was $40k, and SS requested that amount. Probably less than the killers were hoping to get, but they have no idea about the logistics of obtaining large sums of cash. I know people have been saying oh banks only have very little cash on hand in reality. But I think $40k is not a ton of money for a major bank, especially if it's a branch that handles a lot of business accounts.

Employee (possibly the controller or inside CPA or CFO of the company), after phone directions from SS, arranges pick up of money on Thursday morning. Slightly unusual, the controller may think, but in the grand scheme of things, not the absolute craziest thing in the world or something the controller would question the CEO on as his given a slightly plausible explanation. (Frankly, in my opinion, it's not even a sum of $ that one would plausibly imagine a multi-millionaire being held hostage at knifepoint along with his wife and child for, let alone murdered for. Might be unrealistic of me or too many movies, but it seems like if you are going to take someone hostage for $$, your demand would be hundreds of thousands of dollars, so $40k sure might be a relatively large sum of cash to get quickly, but is a relatively small dollar figure for transactions in the grand scheme of things. That's my thought.) $$ gets to assistant as eventually detailed in the charging papers, and the Controller (or whomever) tells the assistant, "SS needs this urgently for the martial arts studio opening. PLease deliver it to his home ASAP." Assistant thinks it's very cool to actually see that much cash, certainly more than he's ever seen before. Thinks is so cool he works for someone so baller (as a PP set forth). Takes picture. Delivers cash. After whole story unfolds, talks to Nelly and tells her yes, I dropped off this cash. It was for the martial arts studio opening (because that's what the other employee or SS told him Wed night/Thursday morning).

If there was already $40k on hand for whatever reason, why would there need to be any flurry of phone calls beginning super early on Thursday morning or even a trip to the bank? It seems like there would need to be 2 phone calls -- one to the controller "Hey, I need that $40k I have locked in my desk. Assistant will be by to pick it up and bring it to me." And, "Hey assistant, pick up the cash from the office and bring it to me."

It is obvious that the cash was not a prearranged action and the assistant had nothing to do with the robbery/kidnapping/murder. Nobody would hold hostages overnight and torture and murder them just to take cash they could have gotten much easier and with much less risk by ambushing the assistant delivering it. And if the assistant wanted to steal money he knew he would be delivering, he could just "arrange" to be robbed or car-jacked. He sure as hell would not partner with a psychopath kidnapper/torturer/murderer who would add many levels of risk and escalated charges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hines told us, "Well, there had to be some connection between Wint worked there, like, 10 years ago so there has to be some connection to someone that Wint knows that's working there now that was able to give the details to know about the money and that they could get the money delivered to the house."

From WUSA 9 Hines is a prosecuter.

I just wonder since she is not involved in this case nor is privy to inside information, how accurate her statement is. It's confusing to me because initially the news reports stated the money was being used for the opening of the Martial Arts Studio. Later reports stated that Mr. Savapoulos had to make multiple calls Thursday am to arrange for the money to be withdrawn. That is really what makes more sense, and would mean that there would not have been anything to tip anyone off about beforehand.
But who knows which story is true.

Early report from fox5

http://www.myfoxdc.com/clip/11517273/housekeeper-40000-in-cash-delivered-to-dc-home-where-4-murdered

Per the article, the housekeeper knew about the delivery because she got the information from the assistant. He told her AFTER the delivery. The information he passed along may well have been the cover story that Mr. Savapoulos was forced to use in order to get the money that Thursday. To my mind , this does not confirm that the money drop was arranged ahead of time.

That quote from Hines is very speculative! She is not THE prosecutor on this case or involved in this case at all. She is not privy to any additional evidence.

IMO, it seems like there was no stash of cash already at the company, nor was there even necessarily a pre-scheduled lump of cash already requested for the martial arts studio opening (and/or possibly for an art auction). I think it was reported that SS -- during his flurry of phone calls (Thursday morning or at the earliest beginning on Wed night) TOLD his employees "I need you to go to the bank and make a withdrawal of $40K. I need the money for the raffle prizes/last minute payments/whatever for the martial arts studio opening tomorrow night!" as an excuse he made up. I think he also, right before that, made phone calls to his bankers at BofA and said, "Hey, I need a large lump sum of cash. I inadvertently neglected to order as much as I need for an art auction/martial arts studio opening. What can you do for me?" The bank probably told him the absolute maximum amount of cash they could have on hand as of 1st thing Thursday morning was $40k, and SS requested that amount. Probably less than the killers were hoping to get, but they have no idea about the logistics of obtaining large sums of cash. I know people have been saying oh banks only have very little cash on hand in reality. But I think $40k is not a ton of money for a major bank, especially if it's a branch that handles a lot of business accounts.

Employee (possibly the controller or inside CPA or CFO of the company), after phone directions from SS, arranges pick up of money on Thursday morning. Slightly unusual, the controller may think, but in the grand scheme of things, not the absolute craziest thing in the world or something the controller would question the CEO on as his given a slightly plausible explanation. (Frankly, in my opinion, it's not even a sum of $ that one would plausibly imagine a multi-millionaire being held hostage at knifepoint along with his wife and child for, let alone murdered for. Might be unrealistic of me or too many movies, but it seems like if you are going to take someone hostage for $$, your demand would be hundreds of thousands of dollars, so $40k sure might be a relatively large sum of cash to get quickly, but is a relatively small dollar figure for transactions in the grand scheme of things. That's my thought.) $$ gets to assistant as eventually detailed in the charging papers, and the Controller (or whomever) tells the assistant, "SS needs this urgently for the martial arts studio opening. PLease deliver it to his home ASAP." Assistant thinks it's very cool to actually see that much cash, certainly more than he's ever seen before. Thinks is so cool he works for someone so baller (as a PP set forth). Takes picture. Delivers cash. After whole story unfolds, talks to Nelly and tells her yes, I dropped off this cash. It was for the martial arts studio opening (because that's what the other employee or SS told him Wed night/Thursday morning).

If there was already $40k on hand for whatever reason, why would there need to be any flurry of phone calls beginning super early on Thursday morning or even a trip to the bank? It seems like there would need to be 2 phone calls -- one to the controller "Hey, I need that $40k I have locked in my desk. Assistant will be by to pick it up and bring it to me." And, "Hey assistant, pick up the cash from the office and bring it to me."

It is obvious that the cash was not a prearranged action and the assistant had nothing to do with the robbery/kidnapping/murder. Nobody would hold hostages overnight and torture and murder them just to take cash they could have gotten much easier and with much less risk by ambushing the assistant delivering it. And if the assistant wanted to steal money he knew he would be delivering, he could just "arrange" to be robbed or car-jacked. He sure as hell would not partner with a psychopath kidnapper/torturer/murderer who would add many levels of risk and escalated charges.

ITA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please, I can't believe you're even saying that! Do you think black people don't get upset when other black people murder people? Or even if that were the case that the WaPo cares enough about its black readers to downplay the biggest story of the month, even year???!!!

If you really believe this is the most important news story of the year, you need to get a grip and get some perspective, PP.

Seriously. Some of the posters in here are obsessive. This is a horrible tragedy, but guess what- it's not the biggest story of the year, it's not the most tragic crime in local or regional history, and there is no need for newspapers to post hourly updates. The child was tortured and that's disgusting. But it happened. Wishing and hoping it didn't, and continuing to cry and Lose sleep over this is venturing into obsessive territory.

Original pp here -- please note that I first said biggest story of the month and then even year, suggesting that maybe it would be the biggest story of the year. Frankly I don't feel that way but some of the obsessed people on this board do so I was trying to get their attention -- hoping they would then want to rethink their faulty logic about the WaPo's decision-making. The WaPo, although it tries to take itself very seriously, is not going to downplay this overblown story just because someone thinks it might bother a subset of readers.

Obviously the biggest story of the year so far is the destruction of Iraq thanks to that poorly thought out and stupid invasion years ago. #ThanksGeorge

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Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I find it disturbing that you are locating these people on FB and reading their posts.

+1 I agree. The family should be left alone.

+2 His family didn't commit this crime. From what the news reports indicate, they're his victims too. Please leave them alone.

Well, it's already known that one of the brothers is also a criminal, so I wouldn't go as far as saying they're victims.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I find it disturbing that you are locating these people on FB and reading their posts.

+1 I agree. The family should be left alone.

+2 His family didn't commit this crime. From what the news reports indicate, they're his victims too. Please leave them alone.

Totally agree. You really should not be commenting on or reading fb posst of a teenager that you don't know, will never know and have no real interest in. You are viewing her facebook page in the hopes of finding out something nefarious that you can report back here. You have no good intentions at all.

How old are you? 80? It's the age of social media. If people don't want their stuff out in the public, then hide it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hines told us, "Well, there had to be some connection between Wint worked there, like, 10 years ago so there has to be some connection to someone that Wint knows that's working there now that was able to give the details to know about the money and that they could get the money delivered to the house."

From WUSA 9 Hines is a prosecuter.

I just wonder since she is not involved in this case nor is privy to inside information, how accurate her statement is. It's confusing to me because initially the news reports stated the money was being used for the opening of the Martial Arts Studio. Later reports stated that Mr. Savapoulos had to make multiple calls Thursday am to arrange for the money to be withdrawn. That is really what makes more sense, and would mean that there would not have been anything to tip anyone off about beforehand.
But who knows which story is true.

Early report from fox5

http://www.myfoxdc.com/clip/11517273/housekeeper-40000-in-cash-delivered-to-dc-home-where-4-murdered

Per the article, the housekeeper knew about the delivery because she got the information from the assistant. He told her AFTER the delivery. The information he passed along may well have been the cover story that Mr. Savapoulos was forced to use in order to get the money that Thursday. To my mind , this does not confirm that the money drop was arranged ahead of time.

That quote from Hines is very speculative! She is not THE prosecutor on this case or involved in this case at all. She is not privy to any additional evidence.

IMO, it seems like there was no stash of cash already at the company, nor was there even necessarily a pre-scheduled lump of cash already requested for the martial arts studio opening (and/or possibly for an art auction). I think it was reported that SS -- during his flurry of phone calls (Thursday morning or at the earliest beginning on Wed night) TOLD his employees "I need you to go to the bank and make a withdrawal of $40K. I need the money for the raffle prizes/last minute payments/whatever for the martial arts studio opening tomorrow night!" as an excuse he made up. I think he also, right before that, made phone calls to his bankers at BofA and said, "Hey, I need a large lump sum of cash. I inadvertently neglected to order as much as I need for an art auction/martial arts studio opening. What can you do for me?" The bank probably told him the absolute maximum amount of cash they could have on hand as of 1st thing Thursday morning was $40k, and SS requested that amount. Probably less than the killers were hoping to get, but they have no idea about the logistics of obtaining large sums of cash. I know people have been saying oh banks only have very little cash on hand in reality. But I think $40k is not a ton of money for a major bank, especially if it's a branch that handles a lot of business accounts.

Employee (possibly the controller or inside CPA or CFO of the company), after phone directions from SS, arranges pick up of money on Thursday morning. Slightly unusual, the controller may think, but in the grand scheme of things, not the absolute craziest thing in the world or something the controller would question the CEO on as his given a slightly plausible explanation. (Frankly, in my opinion, it's not even a sum of $ that one would plausibly imagine a multi-millionaire being held hostage at knifepoint along with his wife and child for, let alone murdered for. Might be unrealistic of me or too many movies, but it seems like if you are going to take someone hostage for $$, your demand would be hundreds of thousands of dollars, so $40k sure might be a relatively large sum of cash to get quickly, but is a relatively small dollar figure for transactions in the grand scheme of things. That's my thought.) $$ gets to assistant as eventually detailed in the charging papers, and the Controller (or whomever) tells the assistant, "SS needs this urgently for the martial arts studio opening. PLease deliver it to his home ASAP." Assistant thinks it's very cool to actually see that much cash, certainly more than he's ever seen before. Thinks is so cool he works for someone so baller (as a PP set forth). Takes picture. Delivers cash. After whole story unfolds, talks to Nelly and tells her yes, I dropped off this cash. It was for the martial arts studio opening (because that's what the other employee or SS told him Wed night/Thursday morning).

If there was already $40k on hand for whatever reason, why would there need to be any flurry of phone calls beginning super early on Thursday morning or even a trip to the bank? It seems like there would need to be 2 phone calls -- one to the controller "Hey, I need that $40k I have locked in my desk. Assistant will be by to pick it up and bring it to me." And, "Hey assistant, pick up the cash from the office and bring it to me."

It is obvious that the cash was not a prearranged action and the assistant had nothing to do with the robbery/kidnapping/murder. Nobody would hold hostages overnight and torture and murder them just to take cash they could have gotten much easier and with much less risk by ambushing the assistant delivering it. And if the assistant wanted to steal money he knew he would be delivering, he could just "arrange" to be robbed or car-jacked. He sure as hell would not partner with a psychopath kidnapper/torturer/murderer who would add many levels of risk and escalated charges.

well put. assistant is not involved. cash was not prearranged. neither of those scenarios makes any sense.