Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am continuing to tell myself that the articles saying there were signs of the son being tortured were just mistaken. Bad, overzealous reporting. Because if the body was burned beyond recognition, they would have no way of knowing whether he was tortured, right? So the reports were inaccurate.
I just can't believe that a 10 year old boy was tortured. I just can't.

+1 billion

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Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

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Whose sister and step mom? The victims'? The assistant's? Please clarify.

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Anonymous wrote:Whose sister and step mom? The victims'? The assistant's? Please clarify.

Daron Wint's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I think it is wonderful. Remember the dad had to get a restraining order against DW. It just goes to show DW is truly a bad seed.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people actually believe that block people are not as horrified and appalled by this heinous crime and that we are not desperately waiting, as everyone else, for all those involved to be caught and dealt with accordingly. This view is shocking to me. I have been in years over this little boy and his family. I don't think any black person would take offense. SMH

Nobody actually made such a suggestion. Some posters appear to be replying to imaginary posts rather than actual posts. I said that the Washington Post might be limiting its coverage of this crime because it doesn't want to appear to be giving overwhelming coverage to these murders when it ignores so many other murders in the city. That in no way suggests that black people are not horrified and appalled by this crime, but rather that the Post and its readers are not necessarily horrified or even interested in the significantly larger number of murders that occur regularly in the city.

Some posters have suggested that the Post is giving adequate coverage to this crime and perhaps that is correct. But, my own experience is that I am finding more relevant and more frequent coverage from the local TV stations (via their websites). The television reporters in my experience have been more active in updating Twitter as well.

Regardless, the primary point of my earlier post was that the Post should cover other murders more.

Jeff,
I was referring to the post quoted below and the implication is that blacks might be offended by coverage that speaks poorly of a black person who has committed a heinous crime such as this.

Anonymous wrote:
'Has there been an update since May 22? Maybe I overlooked it, but when I went to the WAPO's home page just now, I saw no mention of this story. When I googled, the last date that came up was May 22nd. I do think 4 gruesome murders like these, with the family in fear for their ten year old son's safety and that of three adults deserves close and thorough coverage.
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I totally agree with this and am hopeful that they are at work on an in depth story that will be published soon. On the other hand, I do kind of agree with those who say that WaPo might not be headlining this story so as not to offend its' black readership. Hard to say.
Oh please, I can't believe you're even saying that! Do you think black people don't get upset when other black people murder people? Or even if that were the case that the WaPo cares enough about its black readers to downplay the biggest story of the month, even year???!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please, I can't believe you're even saying that! Do you think black people don't get upset when other black people murder people? Or even if that were the case that the WaPo cares enough about its black readers to downplay the biggest story of the month, even year???!!!

If you really believe this is the most important news story of the year, you need to get a grip and get some perspective, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I think it is wonderful. Remember the dad had to get a restraining order against DW. It just goes to show DW is truly a bad seed.

It is wonderful. We should not be looking at or commenting on a teenagers FB page. Poor kid has this for an older brother? I hope she has a nice life anyway.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe people actually believe that block people are not as horrified and appalled by this heinous crime and that we are not desperately waiting, as everyone else, for all those involved to be caught and dealt with accordingly. This view is shocking to me. I have been in years over this little boy and his family. I don't think any black person would take offense. SMH

Nobody actually made such a suggestion. Some posters appear to be replying to imaginary posts rather than actual posts. I said that the Washington Post might be limiting its coverage of this crime because it doesn't want to appear to be giving overwhelming coverage to these murders when it ignores so many other murders in the city. That in no way suggests that black people are not horrified and appalled by this crime, but rather that the Post and its readers are not necessarily horrified or even interested in the significantly larger number of murders that occur regularly in the city.

Some posters have suggested that the Post is giving adequate coverage to this crime and perhaps that is correct. But, my own experience is that I am finding more relevant and more frequent coverage from the local TV stations (via their websites). The television reporters in my experience have been more active in updating Twitter as well.

Regardless, the primary point of my earlier post was that the Post should cover other murders more.

Standard American journalistic practice, Mr. Steele. If the criminal is a minority, and the victim is white, the respectable media downplays it to the extent practical. (Local TV news is not really "respectable" in this same way, at least not to the same extent, dominated as it is by "if it bleeds, it leads.") If the criminal is white, and the victim is minority, coverage goes through the roof. The largely black-on-black violence in the inner cites and poorer areas is generally neglected by the media. There are, of course, some exceptions.

Surely you have noticed this obvious pattern. Interesting, is it not? I am sure we would have different conjectures as to why this occurs. But that it occurs seems, to me, not reasonably in dispute.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hines told us, "Well, there had to be some connection between Wint worked there, like, 10 years ago so there has to be some connection to someone that Wint knows that's working there now that was able to give the details to know about the money and that they could get the money delivered to the house."

From WUSA 9 Hines is a prosecuter.

I just wonder since she is not involved in this case nor is privy to inside information, how accurate her statement is. It's confusing to me because initially the news reports stated the money was being used for the opening of the Martial Arts Studio. Later reports stated that Mr. Savapoulos had to make multiple calls Thursday am to arrange for the money to be withdrawn. That is really what makes more sense, and would mean that there would not have been anything to tip anyone off about beforehand.
But who knows which story is true.

Early report from fox5

http://www.myfoxdc.com/clip/11517273/housekeeper-40000-in-cash-delivered-to-dc-home-where-4-murdered

Per the article, the housekeeper knew about the delivery because she got the information from the assistant. He told her AFTER the delivery. The information he passed along may well have been the cover story that Mr. Savapoulos was forced to use in order to get the money that Thursday. To my mind , this does not confirm that the money drop was arranged ahead of time.

That quote from Hines is very speculative! She is not THE prosecutor on this case or involved in this case at all. She is not privy to any additional evidence.

IMO, it seems like there was no stash of cash already at the company, nor was there even necessarily a pre-scheduled lump of cash already requested for the martial arts studio opening (and/or possibly for an art auction). I think it was reported that SS -- during his flurry of phone calls (Thursday morning or at the earliest beginning on Wed night) TOLD his employees "I need you to go to the bank and make a withdrawal of $40K. I need the money for the raffle prizes/last minute payments/whatever for the martial arts studio opening tomorrow night!" as an excuse he made up. I think he also, right before that, made phone calls to his bankers at BofA and said, "Hey, I need a large lump sum of cash. I inadvertently neglected to order as much as I need for an art auction/martial arts studio opening. What can you do for me?" The bank probably told him the absolute maximum amount of cash they could have on hand as of 1st thing Thursday morning was $40k, and SS requested that amount. Probably less than the killers were hoping to get, but they have no idea about the logistics of obtaining large sums of cash. I know people have been saying oh banks only have very little cash on hand in reality. But I think $40k is not a ton of money for a major bank, especially if it's a branch that handles a lot of business accounts.

Employee (possibly the controller or inside CPA or CFO of the company), after phone directions from SS, arranges pick up of money on Thursday morning. Slightly unusual, the controller may think, but in the grand scheme of things, not the absolute craziest thing in the world or something the controller would question the CEO on as his given a slightly plausible explanation. (Frankly, in my opinion, it's not even a sum of $ that one would plausibly imagine a multi-millionaire being held hostage at knifepoint along with his wife and child for, let alone murdered for. Might be unrealistic of me or too many movies, but it seems like if you are going to take someone hostage for $$, your demand would be hundreds of thousands of dollars, so $40k sure might be a relatively large sum of cash to get quickly, but is a relatively small dollar figure for transactions in the grand scheme of things. That's my thought.) $$ gets to assistant as eventually detailed in the charging papers, and the Controller (or whomever) tells the assistant, "SS needs this urgently for the martial arts studio opening. PLease deliver it to his home ASAP." Assistant thinks it's very cool to actually see that much cash, certainly more than he's ever seen before. Thinks is so cool he works for someone so baller (as a PP set forth). Takes picture. Delivers cash. After whole story unfolds, talks to Nelly and tells her yes, I dropped off this cash. It was for the martial arts studio opening (because that's what the other employee or SS told him Wed night/Thursday morning).

If there was already $40k on hand for whatever reason, why would there need to be any flurry of phone calls beginning super early on Thursday morning or even a trip to the bank? It seems like there would need to be 2 phone calls -- one to the controller "Hey, I need that $40k I have locked in my desk. Assistant will be by to pick it up and bring it to me." And, "Hey assistant, pick up the cash from the office and bring it to me."

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But didn't assistant acknowledge that he first received instruction re the money on Wednesday? That was one of his initial misstatements (that he received first instruction on Thursday).

[Anonymous]

Love that explanation!! and to answer the question about SS first mentioning it to the assistant on Wednesday.

On Wed SS probably called the assistant to say "I will need to you to deliver $ to me tomorrow and need to call the Comp and will let you know specifics. Make sure you are available Thurs morning".

Thursday morning, SS put everything into place with the Comptroller (or whomever) and the Bank. Then called assistant back to confirm with specifics..." Yes, Comp will get the money to you to bring to my house, this is where to leave it, etc."


That make the discrepancy understandable on when SS told him about the delivery of the $ - initially mentioneing it on Wed but the more detailed on Thursday.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I find it disturbing that you are locating these people on FB and reading their posts.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I find it disturbing that you are locating these people on FB and reading their posts.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find disturbing that the step-mom and sister are still keeping their happy go lucky posts on fb after this tragedy. Not saying they are implicated, responsible or in any way related to the murder, but if a close relative had killed 4 people in such a horrible manner, I would -at a minimum- turn full privacy on for all my posts. It disgusts me to see them all smily and happy while another family is grieving because of what their brother/step son did. In bad taste, to say the least.

Why should they change their daily lives for something they had nothing to do with. The sister just graduated from high school, let her enjoy her moment and have fun.

I find it disturbing that you are locating these people on FB and reading their posts.

+1 I agree. The family should be left alone.