new Reade/Biden thread

[Anonymous]

Let’s stop making excuses for Joe Biden.

[Anonymous]

I am the poster who has posted about trauma - I am not the poster posting about Stockholm Syndrome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s stop making excuses for Joe Biden.

Maybe we should stop making excuses for Tara Reade instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s stop making excuses for Joe Biden.

Maybe we should stop making excuses for Tara Reade instead?

Perhaps a full investigation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s stop making excuses for Joe Biden.

Maybe we should stop making excuses for Tara Reade instead?

Perhaps a full investigation.

Biden seems to welcome one, which says a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s stop making excuses for Joe Biden.

Maybe we should stop making excuses for Tara Reade instead?

Perhaps a full investigation.

STFU, you’re tiresome.

But yeah, an investigation for Biden and 24 investigations for Trump. Otherwise you’re a hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Tara Read has changed her story again.

And there's this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-accuser-tara-reade-not-sure-what-complaint-she-claims-n1198741

A number of former President Barack Obama administration and campaign officials have also defended Biden, with some pointing out that no evidence of such allegations was uncovered as part of the rigorous vetting process Biden went through to be chosen for the ticket in 2008.

William Jeffress, one of the nearly dozen lawyers who served on the Obama campaign’s vice presidential search team, told NBC News that their background check found no evidence of any complaints of any kind, either of sexual harassment, discrimination, or any misconduct of any kind against then-Senator Biden.

[Anonymous]

It turns out this story is not sticking at all, but there should be an official investigation, just for the history books, and to stave off any accusations of hypocrisy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even in a court of law where they have access to all the evidence, to depositions, to witnesses, to investigations, to trials...it can be very hard to know exactly what happened in a case. It is very rare to conclude that something definitely didn't happen in sexual assault cases, it is usually that there is not enough evidence to definitely conclude that it did (which doesn't mean it didn't happen, the evidence is just not sufficient and leaves room for doubt).

So the idea that people on here saying they know for sure it didn't happen based on what they heard on a radio podcast or by reading an article online (that likely is from a source that support their own perspective and confirms their own biases) is ridiculous. There are only two people who know for sure what did or didn't happen.

In an April 2019 interview Tara Reade "said of Biden: 'I wasn’t scared of him, that he was going to take me in a room or anything. It wasn’t that kind of vibe.'"

Yes, I would like the posters defending Reade to find one example of a victim saying something as exculpatory as this.

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/10/13/16465064/harvey-weinstein-rape-allegations-asia-argento

I was reading Ronan Farrow’s excellent New Yorker article on Harvey Weinstein’s alleged history of rape and sexual harassment, when I got to Weinstein’s alleged rape of actress Asia Argento. Argento claims that Weinstein performed oral sex on her, against her will, in a hotel room.
Argento goes on to say that she grew close to Weinstein after he assaulted her — accepting gifts, meeting his mother, and having consensual sex with him.

Once upon a time, my rapist, another well-connected and accomplished man, did the same to me. Not only did he encourage me to pretend as though nothing bad had happened between us, but he also made it abundantly clear that he would trade on his privilege to encourage me to stay silent.
“A real rape victim wouldn’t do that”
Among the basic tenets of rape culture is the typecasting of the rapist as an aberrant monster and an outlier. Rape culture does not allow for the possibility that a rapist can be a regular guy with a family, your neighbor or colleague, a trusted friend, or the cute guy smiling from across the room at a party. To allow for that possibility is to admit that none of us are truly safe. It would also mean admitting that the victim could not have predicted the rapist’s behavior.

One rape culture myth is the idea that “a real rape victim” always acts bravely in the aftermath. She would never appear to be on good terms with her rapist — she would only treat him as the monster he revealed himself to be. A famous example of this is the case of Emma Sulkowicz, or “mattress girl,” who famously accused a fellow Columbia University student of rape. Because Sulkowicz sent friendly texts to the student, Paul Nungesser, after the incident, doubt was cast on her story. Nungesser went on to sue Columbia for sexual discrimination and reached a settlement.
“A real rape victim wouldn’t do that,” a male friend told me when we were discussing the controversy.
Yet to cast doubt on this scenario ignores both the power differentials between men and women in society and the self-loathing survivors deal with in the aftermath of rape.

DD was at Columbia when this happened. Sulkowicz understood this was rape really quickly, while both were still on campus (although the case was settled shortly after graduation). She wasn’t still texting Nungesser 25 years later. Yes, I agree the texts shouldn’t have been used to exhonerate Nungesser. But the unfortunately the case was more complicated than you suggest, there were questions about consent, and the college administration probably wanted to make the problem go away. So I sympathize with Sulkowicz. But you can’t compare her texts shortly afterwards to Reade’s very public declarations of admiration 25 years later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It turns out this story is not sticking at all, but there should be an official investigation, just for the history books, and to stave off any accusations of hypocrisy.

The hypocrisy charges are around the media response. And on that score, WaPo, NYTimes and NPR investigated and found no story. MSNBC invited her to appear and she declined. Not even Fox has been able to dig up much dirt, and you know they’ve been trying. Let’s not waste taxpayer money.

[Anonymous]

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It turns out this story is not sticking at all, but there should be an official investigation, just for the history books, and to stave off any accusations of hypocrisy.

We're well past that point, just based on the reactions of Democrats and the media alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It turns out this story is not sticking at all, but there should be an official investigation, just for the history books, and to stave off any accusations of hypocrisy.

The hypocrisy charges are around the media response. And on that score, WaPo, NYTimes and NPR investigated and found no story. MSNBC invited her to appear and she declined. Not even Fox has been able to dig up much dirt, and you know they’ve been trying. Let’s not waste taxpayer money.

Let's not forget the Democrats' response - or non-response, that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It turns out this story is not sticking at all, but there should be an official investigation, just for the history books, and to stave off any accusations of hypocrisy.

We're well past that point, just based on the reactions of Democrats and the media alone.

We are never past the point of investigating. I want one, personally, and I am a leftie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It turns out this story is not sticking at all, but there should be an official investigation, just for the history books, and to stave off any accusations of hypocrisy.

We're well past that point, just based on the reactions of Democrats and the media alone.

We are never past the point of investigating. I want one, personally, and I am a leftie.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It turns out this story is not sticking at all, but there should be an official investigation, just for the history books, and to stave off any accusations of hypocrisy.

We're well past that point, just based on the reactions of Democrats and the media alone.

We are never past the point of investigating. I want one, personally, and I am a leftie.

A Bernie Bro wants an investigation. Imagine that.