Trump - “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

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Anonymous wrote:Someone said to Milton Friedman, "There is no poverty in Scandinavia" and Friedman replied "There is no poverty among Scandinavian Americans". Friedman's point is that lack of poverty among Scandinavians is due not because of government polices, but because of their culture, such as attitudes toward work, honesty, and so forth.

For example, when I think of crooked European politicians, I do NOT think of Scandinavians. And I say this as someone who has zero Scandinavian ethnicity.

Except they DID have poverty prior to adopting welfare state policies, same as other european countries, which is one reason they adopted then. Pretty sure there have been poor Scandinavian americans too.

Friedman was a specialist in macro and monetary economist, not a labor economist, much less a sociologist.

Post-WWII Europe was a shithole most of us cannot imagine.

Just FYI, Sweden adopted its welfare state in the 30s, in response to the great depression, I think. Norway and Denmark later though?

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Certain parts of the US are shitholes. Baltimore, Detroit, Memphis to name a few

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Anonymous wrote:A Norwegian I know told me that many Norwegians don't want to work and would rather live off the generous welfare given to them by their government.

A dipshit I know posts stupid shit on the internet.

I'm just the messenger. I will tell the Norwegian you called him/her a dipshit.

I'm another poster calling your alleged Norweigian friend a dipshit. Half of my dad's family is from Norway and your friend is uninformed.

And so now you must know what it's like to be called lazy and a freeloader.

No, but you must know what it's like to be called a liar. Something tells me it's not your first time.

Nope, that's what the person said. Like I said, I'm just the messenger. BTW, the person voted for Trump.

I seriously doubt all of this, including that "the person" is your friend. On the off chance you actually do know such a person, I'd start fact-checking anything else they tell you.

you can doubt it all you want... I know it doesn't fit with your paradigm, but it still doesn't make it false.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/world/norway-looks-for-ways-to-keep-its-workers-on-the-job.html

Before the oil boom, when Norway was mostly poor and largely isolated, the country survived on its hard work and self-reliance, two stalwart Scandinavian virtues.

Now, with the country still bulging from three decades of oil money, Norway is discovering that sudden wealth does not come without complications: The country's bedrock work ethic is caving in. Like the overindulged children of newly minted millionaires, Norwegians now stay home from work at a rate that is the highest in Europe, outdoing even the former titleholder, Sweden.

''We have become a nation of whiners,'' said Finn Bergesen Jr., director general of the Confederation of Norwegian Business and Industry, Norway's largest business trade organization. ''Everything is wrong, yet we are living in the best country in the world. People complain and complain -- because we have everything.''

Repeated efforts in Parliament to scale back benefits -- on hold while the voluntary measures are tried -- are seen by labor leaders as an attack on workers' rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone said to Milton Friedman, "There is no poverty in Scandinavia" and Friedman replied "There is no poverty among Scandinavian Americans". Friedman's point is that lack of poverty among Scandinavians is due not because of government polices, but because of their culture, such as attitudes toward work, honesty, and so forth.

For example, when I think of crooked European politicians, I do NOT think of Scandinavians. And I say this as someone who has zero Scandinavian ethnicity.

Baloney. I’m descended from Norwegian American immigrants (fourth generation on one branch, fifth on the other) and there was most definitely poverty among them. That’s such racist baloney.

+1. My grandparents were Norwegian immigrants. They lived in an area with a lot of other newly arrived immigrants from various Scandinavian families. My dad grew up very poor and so did most of his neighbors.

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And here is the liberal view summed up. Our immigration policy has to be based on “compassion.” Whether or not it benefits this country or the people in it is irrelevant. Victimhood is prized above all.

This is not about immigration policy, about which reasonable, informed people, can disagree. Its about DJ Trump, a vulgar ignorant racist.

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Anonymous wrote:A Norwegian I know told me that many Norwegians don't want to work and would rather live off the generous welfare given to them by their government.

A dipshit I know posts stupid shit on the internet.

I'm just the messenger. I will tell the Norwegian you called him/her a dipshit.

I'm another poster calling your alleged Norweigian friend a dipshit. Half of my dad's family is from Norway and your friend is uninformed.

And so now you must know what it's like to be called lazy and a freeloader.

No, but you must know what it's like to be called a liar. Something tells me it's not your first time.

Nope, that's what the person said. Like I said, I'm just the messenger. BTW, the person voted for Trump.

I seriously doubt all of this, including that "the person" is your friend. On the off chance you actually do know such a person, I'd start fact-checking anything else they tell you.

you can doubt it all you want... I know it doesn't fit with your paradigm, but it still doesn't make it false.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/world/norway-looks-for-ways-to-keep-its-workers-on-the-job.html

Before the oil boom, when Norway was mostly poor and largely isolated, the country survived on its hard work and self-reliance, two stalwart Scandinavian virtues.

Now, with the country still bulging from three decades of oil money, Norway is discovering that sudden wealth does not come without complications: The country's bedrock work ethic is caving in. Like the overindulged children of newly minted millionaires, Norwegians now stay home from work at a rate that is the highest in Europe, outdoing even the former titleholder, Sweden.

''We have become a nation of whiners,'' said Finn Bergesen Jr., director general of the Confederation of Norwegian Business and Industry, Norway's largest business trade organization. ''Everything is wrong, yet we are living in the best country in the world. People complain and complain -- because we have everything.''

Repeated efforts in Parliament to scale back benefits -- on hold while the voluntary measures are tried -- are seen by labor leaders as an attack on workers' rights.

What?! Fake news! The Norwegians have the greatest work ethic ever

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Anonymous wrote:Someone said to Milton Friedman, "There is no poverty in Scandinavia" and Friedman replied "There is no poverty among Scandinavian Americans". Friedman's point is that lack of poverty among Scandinavians is due not because of government polices, but because of their culture, such as attitudes toward work, honesty, and so forth.

For example, when I think of crooked European politicians, I do NOT think of Scandinavians. And I say this as someone who has zero Scandinavian ethnicity.

Interesting... Many Scandinavian countries were pro Hitler, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone said to Milton Friedman, "There is no poverty in Scandinavia" and Friedman replied "There is no poverty among Scandinavian Americans". Friedman's point is that lack of poverty among Scandinavians is due not because of government polices, but because of their culture, such as attitudes toward work, honesty, and so forth.

For example, when I think of crooked European politicians, I do NOT think of Scandinavians. And I say this as someone who has zero Scandinavian ethnicity.

Interesting... Many Scandinavian countries were pro Hitler, too.

Fake news.

"Many?" There are only five Scandanavian countries to begin with. Which ones were pro-Hitler?



Given their strategic locations regarding Britain and Russia, the Nordic countries in World War II were the targets of German conquest or control, along with the nearby islands, while the British tried to stop them.[neutrality is disputed] Finland fought two wars against the Soviet Union and one against Germany, while Denmark and Norway were invaded and occupied by Germany. Iceland and the other islands were under British or American occupation, as was Greenland. Only Sweden managed to remain neutral, cooperating with both belligerent factions.

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Anonymous wrote:A Norwegian I know told me that many Norwegians don't want to work and would rather live off the generous welfare given to them by their government.

A dipshit I know posts stupid shit on the internet.

I'm just the messenger. I will tell the Norwegian you called him/her a dipshit.

I'm another poster calling your alleged Norweigian friend a dipshit. Half of my dad's family is from Norway and your friend is uninformed.

And so now you must know what it's like to be called lazy and a freeloader.

No, but you must know what it's like to be called a liar. Something tells me it's not your first time.

Nope, that's what the person said. Like I said, I'm just the messenger. BTW, the person voted for Trump.

I seriously doubt all of this, including that "the person" is your friend. On the off chance you actually do know such a person, I'd start fact-checking anything else they tell you.

you can doubt it all you want... I know it doesn't fit with your paradigm, but it still doesn't make it false.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/world/norway-looks-for-ways-to-keep-its-workers-on-the-job.html

Before the oil boom, when Norway was mostly poor and largely isolated, the country survived on its hard work and self-reliance, two stalwart Scandinavian virtues.

Now, with the country still bulging from three decades of oil money, Norway is discovering that sudden wealth does not come without complications: The country's bedrock work ethic is caving in. Like the overindulged children of newly minted millionaires, Norwegians now stay home from work at a rate that is the highest in Europe, outdoing even the former titleholder, Sweden.

''We have become a nation of whiners,'' said Finn Bergesen Jr., director general of the Confederation of Norwegian Business and Industry, Norway's largest business trade organization. ''Everything is wrong, yet we are living in the best country in the world. People complain and complain -- because we have everything.''

Repeated efforts in Parliament to scale back benefits -- on hold while the voluntary measures are tried -- are seen by labor leaders as an attack on workers' rights.

What?! Fake news! The Norwegians have the greatest work ethic ever

So fake that even local Norwegian news sites are reporting similar things:

https://www.thelocal.no/20120228/young-norwegians-are-lazy-tyre-baron

”Young Norwegians are lazy. The work ethic here is different than in our neighbouring countries,” Sharif told the newspaper.

He referred specifically to a trend that has emerged in recent years of young Swedes crossing the border in their thousands, lured by more attractive pay packets in oil-rich Norway.

Sharif said his friends in the restaurant business generally viewed the young Swedes as much better workers than their domestic counterparts.

”There’s a reason the Swedes get the jobs. I often hear from my network in the restaurant sector that they prioritize Swedes in the application process.”

Sharif’s assessment of the problem was echoed by Trond Mohn, a veteran industrialist and one of Norway’s wealthiest individuals, who told the newspaper it was unheard of three decades ago for anybody under the age of 30 to enter an early retirement scheme.

Concerned for the country's future, the billionaire Mohn said parents needed to set a stronger example at home if they were to inspire a crop of young Norwegians often lacking in motivation.

”Some have become mounds of flesh. They sit around with four bags of crisps and dip, looking at their iPads,” he told Dagens Næringsliv.

https://www.economist.com/news/business/21672206-now-easy-times-are-over-norway-must-rediscover-its-viking-spirit-norwegian-blues

The state [Norway] is undermining the work ethic: most people enjoy a 37-hour working week, and three-day weekends are common. In 2011 Norway spent 3.9% of GDP on incapacity benefits and early retirement, compared with an OECD average of 2.2%. Norwegians have coined a verb, to “nav”, meaning to get money from NAV, the state benefits agency.

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Anonymous wrote:What is racist about what trump said? Are Haiti and Africa not shitholds?

No. They are not shitholes. Their people are not less worthy of respect and dignity.

Would you want to go to Haiti to deliver a child? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Haiti/United-States (Infant mortality is 9x higher in Haiti)

Do you want to enroll your children in Zimbabwe's school system? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-States/Zimbabwe/Education (Literacy rate 87 for femals)

Do you think you would feel safe leaving your elderly mother to walk the streets in Rwanda at night? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Rwanda/United-States/Crime (Murders per capita is 4x higher)

Do you feel like you can freely express your views in Asmara in Eritrea? https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2015/eritrea (Ranked one of the most politically repressive regimes worldwide)

These countries need a lot of help and aren't places that you would choose to raise a family in given other options.

In other words we need to have compassion for those trying to leave and move here, right? You said it yourself- it’s no place to live and raise a family.

And here is the liberal view summed up. Our immigration policy has to be based on “compassion.” Whether or not it benefits this country or the people in it is irrelevant. Victimhood is prized above all.

It also helps that many recent immigrants are more likely to vote for Democratic party policies.

If you can't win the votes, change the voters, its how Virginia and Texas are changing blue from both internal and external migration.

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What false crap. This was a private meeting! The NGO works I know call it a shithole. One calls it "Harlem with Palm Trees."

Haiti has some great people. True! But they shouldn't have preferences to stay here.

America first, not Haiti first.

Have you been to Harlem lately? It’s a pretty lively neighborhood. The comment sounds both ignorant and racist.

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Anonymous wrote:What is racist about what trump said? Are Haiti and Africa not shitholds?

No. They are not shitholes. Their people are not less worthy of respect and dignity.

Would you want to go to Haiti to deliver a child? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Haiti/United-States (Infant mortality is 9x higher in Haiti)

Do you want to enroll your children in Zimbabwe's school system? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-States/Zimbabwe/Education (Literacy rate 87 for femals)

Do you think you would feel safe leaving your elderly mother to walk the streets in Rwanda at night? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Rwanda/United-States/Crime (Murders per capita is 4x higher)

Do you feel like you can freely express your views in Asmara in Eritrea? https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2015/eritrea (Ranked one of the most politically repressive regimes worldwide)

These countries need a lot of help and aren't places that you would choose to raise a family in given other options.

In other words we need to have compassion for those trying to leave and move here, right? You said it yourself- it’s no place to live and raise a family.

And here is the liberal view summed up. Our immigration policy has to be based on “compassion.” Whether or not it benefits this country or the people in it is irrelevant. Victimhood is prized above all.

It also helps that many recent immigrants are more likely to vote for Democratic party policies.

If you can't win the votes, change the voters, its how Virginia and Texas are changing blue from both internal and external migration.

Exactly. Trumps immigration policy is the last chance at turning this country away from a permanent Democratic majority based on their strategy of importing Democratic voters begun with the 1965 immigration act.

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Anonymous wrote:What is racist about what trump said? Are Haiti and Africa not shitholds?

No. They are not shitholes. Their people are not less worthy of respect and dignity.

Would you want to go to Haiti to deliver a child? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Haiti/United-States (Infant mortality is 9x higher in Haiti)

Do you want to enroll your children in Zimbabwe's school system? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-States/Zimbabwe/Education (Literacy rate 87 for femals)

Do you think you would feel safe leaving your elderly mother to walk the streets in Rwanda at night? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Rwanda/United-States/Crime (Murders per capita is 4x higher)

Do you feel like you can freely express your views in Asmara in Eritrea? https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2015/eritrea (Ranked one of the most politically repressive regimes worldwide)

These countries need a lot of help and aren't places that you would choose to raise a family in given other options.

In other words we need to have compassion for those trying to leave and move here, right? You said it yourself- it’s no place to live and raise a family.

And here is the liberal view summed up. Our immigration policy has to be based on “compassion.” Whether or not it benefits this country or the people in it is irrelevant. Victimhood is prized above all.

It also helps that many recent immigrants are more likely to vote for Democratic party policies.

If you can't win the votes, change the voters, its how Virginia and Texas are changing blue from both internal and external migration.

Trump helped that along by not helping Puerto Rico, which caused many to move to TX and FL.

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What false crap. This was a private meeting! The NGO works I know call it a shithole. One calls it "Harlem with Palm Trees."

Haiti has some great people. True! But they shouldn't have preferences to stay here.

America first, not Haiti first.

Have you been to Harlem lately? It’s a pretty lively neighborhood. The comment sounds both ignorant and racist.

Lol again: “that’s racist!” See libs this is why we don’t take you seriously.

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He worked his way through one of the nation’s most prestigious military schools after immigrating to the United States from Haiti, earning his citizenship and serving for two years as an enlisted soldier with the Maryland Army National Guard. Fuck you Donald.

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