Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad and frustrated about this.

And then I feel guilty, too, because I look at the shooter and wonder what happened in his life to lead him to the point where he'd do something so colossally evil and stupid. It seems like misplaced concern, but he looks like kids I know and I can't help feeling like the people in his life didn't look out after him - out of school after 9th grade, odd jobs, living in cars in his 20s. There's a white underclass that is festering in this country and acts out in the most toxic ways imaginable.

Poorly educated youths with few prospects who feel disenfranchised in today's America come in all colors and creeds. These horrific outbursts happened before and are to be expected in the future. We as society reap what we sew.

[Anonymous]

Gretchen Carlson just had a moving tribute to the victims on her show. She has also called Roof hateful and used hate crime over and over. She did post the question "Is he mentally ill, deranged, hate filled - likely all of the above". Her and her guest have also been going over exactly what should happen to him, how he shouldn't get bail (flight risk and danger to society) etc.

I don't know why people are saying the conservative media isn't taking this seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

Did you watch the segment? It featured a pastor talking about how you feel safe returning to church after an incident like this. No on said "This is an attack on faith and not a hate crime" It was one segment addressing that this happened in a church and church is the one place everyone should feel safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gretchen Carlson just had a moving tribute to the victims on her show. She has also called Roof hateful and used hate crime over and over. She did post the question "Is he mentally ill, deranged, hate filled - likely all of the above". Her and her guest have also been going over exactly what should happen to him, how he shouldn't get bail (flight risk and danger to society) etc.

I don't know why people are saying the conservative media isn't taking this seriously.

To be fair, Fox News is taking a lot of heat for a comment they made early on before a whole lot was known about the situation. It was a somewhat ignorant comment for which they deserve some criticism but the question in my mind is whether they continued on in that vein once they knew more about what had happened. Sounds like they may not have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

Did you watch the segment? It featured a pastor talking about how you feel safe returning to church after an incident like this. No on said "This is an attack on faith and not a hate crime" It was one segment addressing that this happened in a church and church is the one place everyone should feel safe.

True but as I recall Steve Doocy said something about why are people assuming this is about race when it probably is or could be about religion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

Did you watch the segment? It featured a pastor talking about how you feel safe returning to church after an incident like this. No on said "This is an attack on faith and not a hate crime" It was one segment addressing that this happened in a church and church is the one place everyone should feel safe.

True but as I recall Steve Doocy said something about why are people assuming this is about race when it probably is or could be about religion?

Right, he posed that question before Dylann Roof made any confession about his motives.

It could have been a hate crime against african americans, a hate crime against christians or a hate crime against both. No one knew at that time, could only guess. I really don't see why his posing that question makes him the devil.

[Anonymous]

Anyone else watching Roof's arraignment hearing getting chills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else watching Roof's arraignment hearing getting chills?

Oh my god the victims daughter giving Roof her forgiveness and wanting god to have mercy on his soul. I can't handle anymore today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

Did you watch the segment? It featured a pastor talking about how you feel safe returning to church after an incident like this. No on said "This is an attack on faith and not a hate crime" It was one segment addressing that this happened in a church and church is the one place everyone should feel safe.

True but as I recall Steve Doocy said something about why are people assuming this is about race when it probably is or could be about religion?

Right, he posed that question before Dylann Roof made any confession about his motives.

It could have been a hate crime against african americans, a hate crime against christians or a hate crime against both. No one knew at that time, could only guess. I really don't see why his posing that question makes him the devil.

I see your point but I think it's a matter of nuance. I interpreted it as him rejecting the possibility of race out of hand. You probably interpreted it as him raising an interesting question -- what if it's only about Christianity? Okay, he's not the devil but it still seemed a clunky statement to me. Really, Steve, you don't think race was a factor? But I warrant that you may have been correct in your interpretation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

Did you watch the segment? It featured a pastor talking about how you feel safe returning to church after an incident like this. No on said "This is an attack on faith and not a hate crime" It was one segment addressing that this happened in a church and church is the one place everyone should feel safe.

True but as I recall Steve Doocy said something about why are people assuming this is about race when it probably is or could be about religion?

Right, he posed that question before Dylann Roof made any confession about his motives.

It could have been a hate crime against african americans, a hate crime against christians or a hate crime against both. No one knew at that time, could only guess. I really don't see why his posing that question makes him the devil.

It very quickly came out that a survivor recounted he said "You rape our women and are taking over our country, you have to go", along with the pictures of him wearing the apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia flag, which are symbols used by white supremacists. It was not in any way far fetched to think that the individual targeted that specific church not because it was a church, but because it was a historically black church.

Like you said no concrete information was known, but Fox News immediately put up the headline ATTACK ON FAITH with no basis to do so, just to counteract the information that was already out there pointing pretty clearly to a hate crime that was racially motivated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Right, he posed that question before Dylann Roof made any confession about his motives.

It could have been a hate crime against african americans, a hate crime against christians or a hate crime against both. No one knew at that time, could only guess. I really don't see why his posing that question makes him the devil.

Well, he actually said that it was "extraordinary that anyone would think it was a hate crime." So, a historically Black church gets shot up by a white male, and a public figure is assassinated, and Doocy is shocked that anyone might even consider that race was involved.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point out any media outlets ... or even DCUM posters for that matter ... that are denying this was racially motivated? I see that being thrown around like a straw man - to imply that whites don't acknowledge racism, I guess - but I don't actually see anyone denying this was a hate crime.

Forgive me for not reading 30 pages of this thread ... just the last 5 or 6 pages include numerous assertions that people are somehow denying the racial element here ... though those assertions are usually in posts related to genetic deficiencies and 'crazy ass white boys' so I suppose I should take them with a grain of salt.

The most outrageous attempt to shift blame I have seen was a post on page 6 of this thread that said this:

Anonymous wrote:Survivor reports: He said "I have to do it. You're taking over everything. Raping our women. You have to go."

Sigh. Activism breeds hate.

The only way I can interpret that is that it suggests that black activists provoked Roof.

Outside of DCUM, Lindsey Graham has been particularly bad on the topic. See this article:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/lindsey-graham-downplays-race-after-black-church-shooting-people-looking-for-christians-to-kill-them/

Graham downplays race and says, "This guy is just whacked out.” Graham's niece went to school with Roof and Graham says:

"Strange, disturbed young man," the senator noted. "Emily said in school he was just a quiet strange kid. Seems like one of these Newtown-type guys."

So, he is just another Adam Lanza, not someone who is motivated by racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

Did you watch the segment? It featured a pastor talking about how you feel safe returning to church after an incident like this. No on said "This is an attack on faith and not a hate crime" It was one segment addressing that this happened in a church and church is the one place everyone should feel safe.

True but as I recall Steve Doocy said something about why are people assuming this is about race when it probably is or could be about religion?

Right, he posed that question before Dylann Roof made any confession about his motives.

It could have been a hate crime against african americans, a hate crime against christians or a hate crime against both. No one knew at that time, could only guess. I really don't see why his posing that question makes him the devil.

It very quickly came out that a survivor recounted he said "You rape our women and are taking over our country, you have to go", along with the pictures of him wearing the apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia flag, which are symbols used by white supremacists. It was not in any way far fetched to think that the individual targeted that specific church not because it was a church, but because it was a historically black church.

Like you said no concrete information was known, but Fox News immediately put up the headline ATTACK ON FAITH with no basis to do so, just to counteract the information that was already out there pointing pretty clearly to a hate crime that was racially motivated.

It was in a church, I think that is basis enough. It was also on their morning opinion show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:....and here's Fox News running the chyron "Attack on Faith"

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

That was one segment on their morning opinion show and it was specifically about how do you feel safe in church. Because if you can't feel safe there, than where?

But it wasn't an attack on faith. It was an attack on Black people that took place in a place of faith. It's like calling 9/11 an "Attack on Architecture"

Did you watch the segment? It featured a pastor talking about how you feel safe returning to church after an incident like this. No on said "This is an attack on faith and not a hate crime" It was one segment addressing that this happened in a church and church is the one place everyone should feel safe.

True but as I recall Steve Doocy said something about why are people assuming this is about race when it probably is or could be about religion?

Right, he posed that question before Dylann Roof made any confession about his motives.

It could have been a hate crime against african americans, a hate crime against christians or a hate crime against both. No one knew at that time, could only guess. I really don't see why his posing that question makes him the devil.

It very quickly came out that a survivor recounted he said "You rape our women and are taking over our country, you have to go", along with the pictures of him wearing the apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia flag, which are symbols used by white supremacists. It was not in any way far fetched to think that the individual targeted that specific church not because it was a church, but because it was a historically black church.

Like you said no concrete information was known, but Fox News immediately put up the headline ATTACK ON FAITH with no basis to do so, just to counteract the information that was already out there pointing pretty clearly to a hate crime that was racially motivated.

This a-hole wanted to create conflict among people and from the looks of some of these posts, he's succeeding. Just stop already