Deprograming MAGA

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Anonymous wrote:Cults in either and when their leader dies. Trump is 78 and a ticking time bomb. He is obese with dementia and he has an ungovernable temper in an extraordinarily stressful job. When the head of the snake is gone the rest of the snake is buzzard pickings.



Cults wither and die ^^™
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Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?



That MAGA is crazy and can't think for themselves unless Fox guides them....feeding them misinformation and hate that they regurgitate into the world daily.
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Anonymous wrote:She isn't the only one. Judge Tanya Chutkan (July 2023) after sentencing a Trump supporter to 7 months in prison on 4 misdemeanors “I really encourage you in the time you have…to broaden your sources of information, to consider reading some viewpoints that are different from your own…to reconsider some of the positions you have taken and to understand that you may have been motivated by certain beliefs that may not have served you all that well.”


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Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.


+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.


yup
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Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?



There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.




WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence



Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons

BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation



So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.


And, you probably call yourself a "liberal." You aren't. You are a leftist.
A true, classic liberal would NEVER condone any kind of "reprogramming" or "deprogramming."


On the contrary, classical liberals recognize that authoritarians represent an existential threat to all classical liberal values.


Then, you must truly fear Biden.


No. We understand the big words we use because we understand history, comparative government, and we read.


While at the same time ignoring the authoritarian actions your dear Leader makes.


Such as? And please don't call him our "dear Leader." Presidents as golden idols to be worshipped is something weird Republicans do, not us.


Trump is trying to take away the power or balance of congress. He wants to control how money is spent but that's congress's job to decide where the money goes.

If you give up that power we have a dictstorship. Look in washingtom post for a better understanding
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Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?



There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.




WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence



Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons

BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation



So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.


And, you probably call yourself a "liberal." You aren't. You are a leftist.
A true, classic liberal would NEVER condone any kind of "reprogramming" or "deprogramming."


On the contrary, classical liberals recognize that authoritarians represent an existential threat to all classical liberal values.


Then, you must truly fear Biden.


No. We understand the big words we use because we understand history, comparative government, and we read.


While at the same time ignoring the authoritarian actions your dear Leader makes.


Such as? And please don't call him our "dear Leader." Presidents as golden idols to be worshipped is something weird Republicans do, not us.


Trump is trying to take away the power or balance of congress. He wants to control how money is spent but that's congress's job to decide where the money goes.

If you give up that power we have a dictstorship. Look in washingtom post for a better understanding


Ps he is your dear leader whether you like it or not
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Anonymous wrote:Cults in either and when their leader dies. Trump is 78 and a ticking time bomb. He is obese with dementia and he has an ungovernable temper in an extraordinarily stressful job. When the head of the snake is gone the rest of the snake is buzzard pickings.



Cults wither and die ^^™


I still won’t forgive the people that voted for him.
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Anonymous wrote:It's why democrats cannot be taken seriously. It's the history you democrats disregard.

You are out of any trust any more.

https://www.c-span.org/clip/senate-proceeding/user-clip-joe-biden-crime-bill-november-18-1993/4916161





Look for yourself..............



Democratic Party 57% UNFAVORABLE



https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3918


Biden clearly evolved from those statements. Why hasn't the GOP evolved?


+1

That was almost 50 years ago.

Trump is pushing racist crap TODAY.
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Anonymous wrote:Cults in either and when their leader dies. Trump is 78 and a ticking time bomb. He is obese with dementia and he has an ungovernable temper in an extraordinarily stressful job. When the head of the snake is gone the rest of the snake is buzzard pickings.



Cults wither and die ^^™


I still won’t forgive the people that voted for him.


I hate them more with each passing day.
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Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?



There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.




WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence



Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons

BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation



So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.


And, you probably call yourself a "liberal." You aren't. You are a leftist.
A true, classic liberal would NEVER condone any kind of "reprogramming" or "deprogramming."


On the contrary, classical liberals recognize that authoritarians represent an existential threat to all classical liberal values.


Then, you must truly fear Biden.


No. We understand the big words we use because we understand history, comparative government, and we read.


While at the same time ignoring the authoritarian actions your dear Leader makes.


Such as? And please don't call him our "dear Leader." Presidents as golden idols to be worshipped is something weird Republicans do, not us.


Trump is trying to take away the power or balance of congress. He wants to control how money is spent but that's congress's job to decide where the money goes.

If you give up that power we have a dictstorship. Look in washingtom post for a better understanding


Ps he is your dear leader whether you like it or not


Glad to hear you admit he is a dictator, since that is what dear leader means.
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Maybe we need to deprogram the Trump opponents?
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Tighten your seatbelts.

100 Day Honeymoon!
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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to deprogram the Trump opponents?


Or if we could have just found a normal opponent to Trump in 2020 that would have crushed Trump and MAGA forever with over 500 electoral votes. We instead were given a nominee that won by a slim but comfortable margin in 2020 but then fumbled everything back to a still viable Trump in 2024.
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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to deprogram the Trump opponents?


Sorry, not transitive. What cult leader are Trump opponents following? Harris? Nope, she's done. Biden? Nope, he's done.

Just because YOU are in a cult following Trump doesn't automatically let you project your cultism onto someone else just because they don't agree with you and just because they think you are in a cult.
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