Deprograming MAGA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because 1) she was a horrible candidate 2) she wasn't relatable at all and 3) she couldn't find Wisconsin on a map.

[Anonymous]

The arrogance of this woman and her loathing of ordinary people knows no bounds. This is why she lost in 2106 while her husband understood this and won in 1992

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?

There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.

WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence

Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons
BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:She isn't the only one. Judge Tanya Chutkan (July 2023) after sentencing a Trump supporter to 7 months in prison on 4 misdemeanors “I really encourage you in the time you have…to broaden your sources of information, to consider reading some viewpoints that are different from your own…to reconsider some of the positions you have taken and to understand that you may have been motivated by certain beliefs that may not have served you all that well.”

LOL. Telling a MAGA to "broaden your sources of information, to consider reading some viewpoints that are different from your own" is like telling Superman to consider trying kryptonite.

I would suspect MAGA is very well-read because they read leftist sources as well as right wing sources. When powerful people want to ‘reprogram’ them, it’s best to know that in advance.

"MAGA is very well-read". You guys kill me. You are going to be Chris Rock and Dave Chapelle out of work.

Someone forgets his Midwest roots and has been living in the swamp too long

[Anonymous]

People (me included) have been saying this for years. In fact, I said it about/to my father in 2013 when he started telling me Obama was foreign-born! Fox News watchers and MAGA absolutely need to be deprogrammed!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?

This is pretty rich coming from the person whose campaign started a conspiracy theory, complete with a fake "pee story" that her followers swallowed hook, link, and sinker.

Sorry you cannot believe Trump had been a Russian "asset" since the 1980's. Sorry you cannot believe he wanted a "Trump Tower Moscow." Sorry you cannot believe his campaign manager was being paid by Russian aligned oligarchs in Ukraine and shared voter data with them. Sorry you cannot believe Trump shared classified information with Russia while in the white house. Sorry you cannot believe Trump's national security advisor was being paid by Russian aligned Turkey.

Facts matter and you seen to be devoid of them.

Sorry you cannot believe that the whole Russian collusion delusion was an effort by Hillary and the DNC to divert attention away from Hillary's transgressions.

The FBI "failed to act" on a "clear warning sign" that the bureau was the "target" of a Hillary Clinton-led effort to "manipulate or influence the law enforcement process for political purposes" ahead of the 2016 presidential election, Special Counsel John Durham found.

Durham was referring to intelligence on a plan stirred up by Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign in July 2016 to tie then-candidate Donald Trump to Russia in an effort to distract from the investigation into her use of a private email server and mishandling of classified information.

Durham found that then-CIA Director John Brennan "realized the significance" of the intelligence that Clinton was stirring up a plan to tie Trump to Russia—so much so, he "expeditiously" briefed then-President Barack Obama, then-Vice President Joe Biden, and other top national security officials.

But nothing came of that briefing or of his subsequent referral of the information to the FBI, according to Durham’s final report.

"The aforementioned facts reflect a rather startling and inexplicable failure to adequately consider and incorporate the Clinton Plan intelligence into the FBI’s investigative decision-making in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," the report states.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-ignored-clear-warning-sign-clinton-led-effort-manipulate-department

You are missing the point. TRUMP WAS AND IS TIED TO RUSSIA.

The Durham report didn't find any wonrgdoing because there wasn't any.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ignorance of the left is amazing. Marx would be proud

MAGA is a cult

[Anonymous]

It’s been a long process to cultivate this MAGA base.
40 years of “ the government is broken, and does nothing to help you”
Then attacking the judiciary and destroying governance at the grass roots level through gerrymandering.
So they can send candidates that will break the government and do nothing to help.
So they can point back at the broken government and make their case for authoritarianism. With a strong man authoritarian “you don’t have to wait on a broken system”

We’ve been slowly brought to a boil for the last 45 years.

[Anonymous]

No need to Deprogram our yut...

"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." Vladimir Lenin

[Anonymous]

Hillary is right as usual and there are a lot of uneducated trolls on this thread using words they don’t understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?

There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.

WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence

Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons
BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation

So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s been a long process to cultivate this MAGA base.
40 years of “ the government is broken, and does nothing to help you”
Then attacking the judiciary and destroying governance at the grass roots level through gerrymandering.
So they can send candidates that will break the government and do nothing to help.
So they can point back at the broken government and make their case for authoritarianism. With a strong man authoritarian “you don’t have to wait on a broken system”

We’ve been slowly brought to a boil for the last 45 years.

Hey - I fixed it for you. You are welcome.

Is there any question as to why so many are rejecting our current government?

40 years of “the government is your savior. It is the only thing that will save you.”
Then attacking the judiciary as illegitimate and destroying governance at the grass roots level through ballot harvesting and other voting methods that make it difficult to confirm the identity of those voting.
So they can send candidates that will grow the government but do nothing to help.
So they can point to the behemoth government and make their case for authoritarianism. With a strong man authoritarian “you don’t have to wait on any response from a system that is too large to get anything done. ”

We’ve been slowly brought to a boil for the last 45 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?

There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.

WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence

Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons
BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation

So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.

And, you probably call yourself a "liberal." You aren't. You are a leftist.
A true, classic liberal would NEVER condone any kind of "reprogramming" or "deprogramming."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hillary is right as usual and there are a lot of uneducated trolls on this thread using words they don’t understand.

Get her out there more often to share her insights. That should go well for you.