Boundaries assessment update 2023

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Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

Is this the trailer park next to Chuy's?

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No the trailer park in Chantilly (its much bigger) near Target.

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Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

Pretty sure the Meadows was assigned to Westfield when it opened. It is twice as far to Chantilly (over four miles) from The Meadows as it is to Westfield (2 miles)

I think you are confusing Kathy's scheme when she moved The Meadows to Poplar Tree (her neighborhood) in order to get all day K. Then, when all schools got all day K she moved them to Virginia Run--which is closer to The Meadows.

And, I doubt The Meadows has enough high school students to make a huge difference. There is lots nmore affordable housing near Chantilly than you realize.

Wouldn't a neighborhood zoned for Poplar Tree also be zoned for Chantilly?

I don't remember where The Meadows went before that--but they were not "zoned" for Poplar Tree.

Sure they were, they were assigned to Poplar Tree to be used and then discarded like trash.

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Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

Pretty sure the Meadows was assigned to Westfield when it opened. It is twice as far to Chantilly (over four miles) from The Meadows as it is to Westfield (2 miles)

I think you are confusing Kathy's scheme when she moved The Meadows to Poplar Tree (her neighborhood) in order to get all day K. Then, when all schools got all day K she moved them to Virginia Run--which is closer to The Meadows.

And, I doubt The Meadows has enough high school students to make a huge difference. There is lots nmore affordable housing near Chantilly than you realize.

Wouldn't a neighborhood zoned for Poplar Tree also be zoned for Chantilly?

I don't remember where The Meadows went before that--but they were not "zoned" for Poplar Tree.

Sure they were, they were assigned to Poplar Tree to be used and then discarded like trash.

Yes. It was odd from the get-go. It was not anywhere near Poplar Tree. Maybe, they went to Brookfield or LondonTowne before that? I wish I could remember. But, the Poplar Tree thing did happen. Sent them to Poplar Tree and Poplar Tree got All Day K. As soon as All Day K was county wide then they were sent to Virginia Run. (Virginia Run parents had some very vocal parents at that time fighting against redistricting during the South Lakes Boundary study.) I think I remember that correctly. Affluent districts were moved out of Westfield and sent to South Lakes. At the time, Westfield was highly rated in FCPS. The "excuse" was that Westfield was too big--even though it had just been expanded to meet the population demands.

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Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

Someone already answered your dumb question-its not logistically possible to get to 30%. Maybe 10%.

I am the poster who asked the question. I know you are correct, but there are people on this thread who insist that all schools should be 30%. That is why I asked where they would get the students?

My point is that it is impossible to have the same demographics all across the county.

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Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

Someone already answered your dumb question-its not logistically possible to get to 30%. Maybe 10%.

I am the poster who asked the question. I know you are correct, but there are people on this thread who insist that all schools should be 30%. That is why I asked where they would get the students?

My point is that it is impossible to have the same demographics all across the county.

That’s no excuse for leaving Langley at 3-4% FARMS. That only happens when rich snobs like Elaine Tholen and her predecessors make a concerted effort to keep the school free of low or even middle-income kids.

Otherwise you do not end up with a school where kids get bussed 12 miles to attend the school yet it has no apartments or condos. Meanwhile it borders a series of schools that range from 15% to 50% FARMS.

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Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

Someone already answered your dumb question-its not logistically possible to get to 30%. Maybe 10%.

I am the poster who asked the question. I know you are correct, but there are people on this thread who insist that all schools should be 30%. That is why I asked where they would get the students?

My point is that it is impossible to have the same demographics all across the county.

That’s no excuse for leaving Langley at 3-4% FARMS. That only happens when rich snobs like Elaine Tholen and her predecessors make a concerted effort to keep the school free of low or even middle-income kids.

Otherwise you do not end up with a school where kids get bussed 12 miles to attend the school yet it has no apartments or condos. Meanwhile it borders a series of schools that range from 15% to 50% FARMS.

Then, please tell us how you would make Langley 10% FARMS. Where would you get the students to do that and how would you do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

Someone already answered your dumb question-its not logistically possible to get to 30%. Maybe 10%.

I am the poster who asked the question. I know you are correct, but there are people on this thread who insist that all schools should be 30%. That is why I asked where they would get the students?

My point is that it is impossible to have the same demographics all across the county.

Please, which post said ALL FCPS schools should be exctly 30%? No one said that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

Pretty sure the Meadows was assigned to Westfield when it opened. It is twice as far to Chantilly (over four miles) from The Meadows as it is to Westfield (2 miles)

I think you are confusing Kathy's scheme when she moved The Meadows to Poplar Tree (her neighborhood) in order to get all day K. Then, when all schools got all day K she moved them to Virginia Run--which is closer to The Meadows.

And, I doubt The Meadows has enough high school students to make a huge difference. There is lots nmore affordable housing near Chantilly than you realize.

Wouldn't a neighborhood zoned for Poplar Tree also be zoned for Chantilly?

I don't remember where The Meadows went before that--but they were not "zoned" for Poplar Tree.

Sure they were, they were assigned to Poplar Tree to be used and then discarded like trash.

Yes. It was odd from the get-go. It was not anywhere near Poplar Tree. Maybe, they went to Brookfield or LondonTowne before that? I wish I could remember. But, the Poplar Tree thing did happen. Sent them to Poplar Tree and Poplar Tree got All Day K. As soon as All Day K was county wide then they were sent to Virginia Run. (Virginia Run parents had some very vocal parents at that time fighting against redistricting during the South Lakes Boundary study.) I think I remember that correctly. Affluent districts were moved out of Westfield and sent to South Lakes. At the time, Westfield was highly rated in FCPS. The "excuse" was that Westfield was too big--even though it had just been expanded to meet the population demands.

Yep, Virginia Run went from basically 0 percent FARMS/ESL kids to 40% just with that one neighborhood move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

NP but kids that currently go to South Lakes or Herndon.

At the least they could give Langley all of Spring Hill Elementary School, and not just the parts with SFHs. It wouldn't move the FARMS needle much, but it would help distribute the growth in the area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

NP but kids that currently go to South Lakes or Herndon.

At the least they could give Langley all of Spring Hill Elementary School, and not just the parts with SFHs. It wouldn't move the

FARMS needle much, but it would help distribute the growth in the area.

I'm not familiar with the area. Do most of the kids go to Langley or McLean?

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Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

Someone already answered your dumb question-its not logistically possible to get to 30%. Maybe 10%.

I am the poster who asked the question. I know you are correct, but there are people on this thread who insist that all schools should be 30%. That is why I asked where they would get the students?

My point is that it is impossible to have the same demographics all across the county.

That’s no excuse for leaving Langley at 3-4% FARMS. That only happens when rich snobs like Elaine Tholen and her predecessors make a concerted effort to keep the school free of low or even middle-income kids.

Otherwise you do not end up with a school where kids get bussed 12 miles to attend the school yet it has no apartments or condos. Meanwhile it borders a series of schools that range from 15% to 50% FARMS.

Then, please tell us how you would make Langley 10% FARMS. Where would you get the students to do that and how would you do it.

There are areas in Reston and Tysons zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and/or McLean that could be reassigned to Langley and would increase the FARMS % there. And every one of those areas is closer to Langley than the Forestville ES area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

Someone already answered your dumb question-its not logistically possible to get to 30%. Maybe 10%.

I am the poster who asked the question. I know you are correct, but there are people on this thread who insist that all schools should be 30%. That is why I asked where they would get the students?

My point is that it is impossible to have the same demographics all across the county.

That’s no excuse for leaving Langley at 3-4% FARMS. That only happens when rich snobs like Elaine Tholen and her predecessors make a concerted effort to keep the school free of low or even middle-income kids.

Otherwise you do not end up with a school where kids get bussed 12 miles to attend the school yet it has no apartments or condos. Meanwhile it borders a series of schools that range from 15% to 50% FARMS.

Then, please tell us how you would make Langley 10% FARMS. Where would you get the students to do that and how would you do it.

There are areas in Reston and Tysons zoned to South Lakes, Marshall, and/or McLean that could be reassigned to Langley and would increase the FARMS % there. And every one of those areas is closer to Langley than the Forestville ES area.

Are these areas closer to Langley than to their current high schools? Would transportation be a problem for them? For their families?

[Anonymous]

You would take Reston kids and send them to Langley when South Lakes has always been their school because you want higher FARMS at Langley? Where would Forestville kids go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You would take Reston kids and send them to Langley when South Lakes has always been their school because you want higher FARMS at Langley? Where would Forestville kids go?

Forestville should always have been in Herndon. But we need the new western HS to redraw the western lines and make it all work. Then it could go to the new HS or Herndon, which ever makes better sense. Then, Langley can pick up some of the anticipated Tysons growth. Great Falls and part of Colvin Run can go too.