Boundaries assessment update 2023

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Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of AAP and AAP centers. Beef up the curriculum for everyone instead.

Both of my kids are in AAP and I’m glad the programs exists but I agree centers make no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of AAP and AAP centers. Beef up the curriculum for everyone instead.

Both of my kids are in AAP and I’m glad the programs exists but I agree centers make no sense.

Part of the rationale was that some elementary and middle schools by themselves don’t have a critical mass of advanced students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of AAP and AAP centers. Beef up the curriculum for everyone instead.

+1 AAP Curriculum for all. Its working great in our school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of AAP and AAP centers. Beef up the curriculum for everyone instead.

+1 AAP Curriculum for all. Its working great in our school.

You must be at a high socio economic school. It is not appropriate for kids who struggle and there are many schools where a large portion are performing below grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Get rid of IB
Then see what happens in high schools

2. If transportation is an issue, take a serious look at eliminating AAP centers. Or, go back to GT centers which were for the highly gifted

You point out why these discussions never go anywhere. If they are thinking about ever changing programs, they kind of need to decide that before they change boundaries. But it's just as hard for them to make decisions about programs (IB, AAP, etc.) as it is to make decisions about boundaries. It would be nuts to change boundaries and then end up with even worse capacity imbalances if they did eventually decide to change programs.

How would the staffing model account for IB elimination (with grandfathering) and simultaneous recruitment and implementation of AP qualified teachers? That sounds… Complicated

I wouldn't grandfather for IB. Just eliminate it and replace it with AP. The College Board specifies the AP course curriculum but doesn't insist on "AP qualified teachers."

This shows how little you actually know about IB. What about kids who are working on an IB diploma or taking a 2 year course Vs 1 year? Of course it would have to be phased out. And they should keep IB where there are students interested in it like SL or Marshall. Put AP in schools that parents flee so now they don’t have excuse anymore.

Cold turkey is best. Just scrap IB and let the seniors take AP or Honors classes their senior year.

You know some actually prefer IB? Keep it in a few schools.

Do not scrap IB cold turkey. 100% agree that some prefer IB. Yes, our base school is one of the high FARMS, high ESOL IB school. I have one who graduated with the IB diploma and youngest is graduating next week and did IB diploma. I have a third child who went to a private high school that was an AP school. Personally, I prefer the IB program but I HATE how FCPS has implemented the IB program and it is definitely not for every student.

My suggestion is to have 3 IB schools in the county spaced out around the county. South Lakes and Marshall are fairly relatively close to each other so I don't know if another high school like Centerville would be better geographically. However, SL and Marshall already both have somewhat successful programs. The third one should definitely be at Lewis simply due to its geography - it's in a really good location right off the "mixing bowl" and would be a good location for all the eastern high schools. Market the program and make it a lottery like the language immersion elementary schools.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Get rid of IB
Then see what happens in high schools

2. If transportation is an issue, take a serious look at eliminating AAP centers. Or, go back to GT centers which were for the highly gifted

You point out why these discussions never go anywhere. If they are thinking about ever changing programs, they kind of need to decide that before they change boundaries. But it's just as hard for them to make decisions about programs (IB, AAP, etc.) as it is to make decisions about boundaries. It would be nuts to change boundaries and then end up with even worse capacity imbalances if they did eventually decide to change programs.

How would the staffing model account for IB elimination (with grandfathering) and simultaneous recruitment and implementation of AP qualified teachers? That sounds… Complicated

I wouldn't grandfather for IB. Just eliminate it and replace it with AP. The College Board specifies the AP course curriculum but doesn't insist on "AP qualified teachers."

This shows how little you actually know about IB. What about kids who are working on an IB diploma or taking a 2 year course Vs 1 year? Of course it would have to be phased out. And they should keep IB where there are students interested in it like SL or Marshall. Put AP in schools that parents flee so now they don’t have excuse anymore.

Cold turkey is best. Just scrap IB and let the seniors take AP or Honors classes their senior year.

You know some actually prefer IB? Keep it in a few schools.

Do not scrap IB cold turkey. 100% agree that some prefer IB. Yes, our base school is one of the high FARMS, high ESOL IB school. I have one who graduated with the IB diploma and youngest is graduating next week and did IB diploma. I have a third child who went to a private high school that was an AP school. Personally, I prefer the IB program but I HATE how FCPS has implemented the IB program and it is definitely not for every student.

My suggestion is to have 3 IB schools in the county spaced out around the county. South Lakes and Marshall are fairly relatively close to each other so I don't know if another high school like Centerville would be better geographically. However, SL and Marshall already both have somewhat successful programs. The third one should definitely be at Lewis simply due to its geography - it's in a really good location right off the "mixing bowl" and would be a good location for all the eastern high schools. Market the program and make it a lottery like the language immersion elementary schools.

It would be interesting to know how many Herndon High students were sent to South Lakes BEFORE the 2008 boundary adjustment compared to now.

Which high schools are able to send students to South Lakes for IB? Chantilly? Oakton? I'd love to see a breakdown of how that works. It would like affirm my suspicions that people are choosing IB for reasons other than desiring IB.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Get rid of IB
Then see what happens in high schools

2. If transportation is an issue, take a serious look at eliminating AAP centers. Or, go back to GT centers which were for the highly gifted

You point out why these discussions never go anywhere. If they are thinking about ever changing programs, they kind of need to decide that before they change boundaries. But it's just as hard for them to make decisions about programs (IB, AAP, etc.) as it is to make decisions about boundaries. It would be nuts to change boundaries and then end up with even worse capacity imbalances if they did eventually decide to change programs.

How would the staffing model account for IB elimination (with grandfathering) and simultaneous recruitment and implementation of AP qualified teachers? That sounds… Complicated

I wouldn't grandfather for IB. Just eliminate it and replace it with AP. The College Board specifies the AP course curriculum but doesn't insist on "AP qualified teachers."

This shows how little you actually know about IB. What about kids who are working on an IB diploma or taking a 2 year course Vs 1 year? Of course it would have to be phased out. And they should keep IB where there are students interested in it like SL or Marshall. Put AP in schools that parents flee so now they don’t have excuse anymore.

Cold turkey is best. Just scrap IB and let the seniors take AP or Honors classes their senior year.

You know some actually prefer IB? Keep it in a few schools.

Do not scrap IB cold turkey. 100% agree that some prefer IB. Yes, our base school is one of the high FARMS, high ESOL IB school. I have one who graduated with the IB diploma and youngest is graduating next week and did IB diploma. I have a third child who went to a private high school that was an AP school. Personally, I prefer the IB program but I HATE how FCPS has implemented the IB program and it is definitely not for every student.

My suggestion is to have 3 IB schools in the county spaced out around the county. South Lakes and Marshall are fairly relatively close to each other so I don't know if another high school like Centerville would be better geographically. However, SL and Marshall already both have somewhat successful programs. The third one should definitely be at Lewis simply due to its geography - it's in a really good location right off the "mixing bowl" and would be a good location for all the eastern high schools. Market the program and make it a lottery like the language immersion elementary schools.

Centreville is an AP school. No AP school wants IB nor would be FCPS be stupid enough to repeat the mistakes of the late 90s/early 00s and create a new IB school. They just don’t want to admit the mistakes they already made.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Get rid of IB
Then see what happens in high schools

2. If transportation is an issue, take a serious look at eliminating AAP centers. Or, go back to GT centers which were for the highly gifted

You point out why these discussions never go anywhere. If they are thinking about ever changing programs, they kind of need to decide that before they change boundaries. But it's just as hard for them to make decisions about programs (IB, AAP, etc.) as it is to make decisions about boundaries. It would be nuts to change boundaries and then end up with even worse capacity imbalances if they did eventually decide to change programs.

How would the staffing model account for IB elimination (with grandfathering) and simultaneous recruitment and implementation of AP qualified teachers? That sounds… Complicated

I wouldn't grandfather for IB. Just eliminate it and replace it with AP. The College Board specifies the AP course curriculum but doesn't insist on "AP qualified teachers."

This shows how little you actually know about IB. What about kids who are working on an IB diploma or taking a 2 year course Vs 1 year? Of course it would have to be phased out. And they should keep IB where there are students interested in it like SL or Marshall. Put AP in schools that parents flee so now they don’t have excuse anymore.

Cold turkey is best. Just scrap IB and let the seniors take AP or Honors classes their senior year.

You know some actually prefer IB? Keep it in a few schools.

Do not scrap IB cold turkey. 100% agree that some prefer IB. Yes, our base school is one of the high FARMS, high ESOL IB school. I have one who graduated with the IB diploma and youngest is graduating next week and did IB diploma. I have a third child who went to a private high school that was an AP school. Personally, I prefer the IB program but I HATE how FCPS has implemented the IB program and it is definitely not for every student.

My suggestion is to have 3 IB schools in the county spaced out around the county. South Lakes and Marshall are fairly relatively close to each other so I don't know if another high school like Centerville would be better geographically. However, SL and Marshall already both have somewhat successful programs. The third one should definitely be at Lewis simply due to its geography - it's in a really good location right off the "mixing bowl" and would be a good location for all the eastern high schools. Market the program and make it a lottery like the language immersion elementary schools.

Centreville is an AP school. No AP school wants IB nor would be FCPS be stupid enough to repeat the mistakes of the late 90s/early 00s and create a new IB school. They just don’t want to admit the mistakes they already made.

South Lakes has a somewhat successful program as a result of the boundary adjustment in 2008. Many parents at South Lakes would much prefer AP. In fact, every parent I know of a SouthLakes student has told me this. They stay at South Lakes because they do not like the transfer options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just get rid of AAP and AAP centers. Beef up the curriculum for everyone instead.

Both of my kids are in AAP and I’m glad the programs exists but I agree centers make no sense.

Part of the rationale was that some elementary and middle schools by themselves don’t have a critical mass of advanced students.

And they never will if they flee to centers. I don’t think AAP should necessarily mix with gen Ed but have a designated class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boundary conversations always have tons of parental push back and no one has the balls to follow through with it. It should happen, but it won’t.

See, this is a problem for anyone who is in favor of change. One side has congregated into select large communities and have effectively given themselves a greater voice than everyone else. Less desirable communities are now smaller and the amount of input and voice will never be able to compete.
Just look at WP vs. Mt. Vernon. Without external forcing Mt. Vernon community members will always lose when it comes to a show of turn-out between the two. Then when external forcing from the SB does come into play, everyone else cries foul. It's a lose-lose for some communities.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Get rid of IB
Then see what happens in high schools

2. If transportation is an issue, take a serious look at eliminating AAP centers. Or, go back to GT centers which were for the highly gifted

You point out why these discussions never go anywhere. If they are thinking about ever changing programs, they kind of need to decide that before they change boundaries. But it's just as hard for them to make decisions about programs (IB, AAP, etc.) as it is to make decisions about boundaries. It would be nuts to change boundaries and then end up with even worse capacity imbalances if they did eventually decide to change programs.

How would the staffing model account for IB elimination (with grandfathering) and simultaneous recruitment and implementation of AP qualified teachers? That sounds… Complicated

I wouldn't grandfather for IB. Just eliminate it and replace it with AP. The College Board specifies the AP course curriculum but doesn't insist on "AP qualified teachers."

This shows how little you actually know about IB. What about kids who are working on an IB diploma or taking a 2 year course Vs 1 year? Of course it would have to be phased out. And they should keep IB where there are students interested in it like SL or Marshall. Put AP in schools that parents flee so now they don’t have excuse anymore.

Cold turkey is best. Just scrap IB and let the seniors take AP or Honors classes their senior year.

You know some actually prefer IB? Keep it in a few schools.

Do not scrap IB cold turkey. 100% agree that some prefer IB. Yes, our base school is one of the high FARMS, high ESOL IB school. I have one who graduated with the IB diploma and youngest is graduating next week and did IB diploma. I have a third child who went to a private high school that was an AP school. Personally, I prefer the IB program but I HATE how FCPS has implemented the IB program and it is definitely not for every student.

My suggestion is to have 3 IB schools in the county spaced out around the county. South Lakes and Marshall are fairly relatively close to each other so I don't know if another high school like Centerville would be better geographically. However, SL and Marshall already both have somewhat successful programs. The third one should definitely be at Lewis simply due to its geography - it's in a really good location right off the "mixing bowl" and would be a good location for all the eastern high schools. Market the program and make it a lottery like the language immersion elementary schools.

It would be interesting to know how many Herndon High students were sent to South Lakes BEFORE the 2008 boundary adjustment compared to now.

Which high schools are able to send students to South Lakes for IB? Chantilly? Oakton? I'd love to see a breakdown of how that works. It would like affirm my suspicions that people are choosing IB for reasons other than desiring IB.

I think it would be great for my humanities/loves writing kid based on my research about it/talking with people. I would actually pick IB Vs AP for her. AP would best suit my other kid. So yes-some people prefer IB. I think both programs have different strengths.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Boundary conversations always have tons of parental push back and no one has the balls to follow through with it. It should happen, but it won’t.

See, this is a problem for anyone who is in favor of change. One side has congregated into select large communities and have effectively given themselves a greater voice than everyone else. Less desirable communities are now smaller and the amount of input and voice will never be able to compete.
Just look at WP vs. Mt. Vernon. Without external forcing Mt. Vernon community members will always lose when it comes to a show of turn-out between the two. Then when external forcing from the SB does come into play, everyone else cries foul. It's a lose-lose for some communities.

There is no “external forcing” from the SB to address disparities. It is the SB itself that systematically advantages certain schools over others nearby through boundaries and resource allocation. West Potomac over Mount Vernon is just one example of many.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Get rid of IB
Then see what happens in high schools

2. If transportation is an issue, take a serious look at eliminating AAP centers. Or, go back to GT centers which were for the highly gifted

You point out why these discussions never go anywhere. If they are thinking about ever changing programs, they kind of need to decide that before they change boundaries. But it's just as hard for them to make decisions about programs (IB, AAP, etc.) as it is to make decisions about boundaries. It would be nuts to change boundaries and then end up with even worse capacity imbalances if they did eventually decide to change programs.

How would the staffing model account for IB elimination (with grandfathering) and simultaneous recruitment and implementation of AP qualified teachers? That sounds… Complicated

I wouldn't grandfather for IB. Just eliminate it and replace it with AP. The College Board specifies the AP course curriculum but doesn't insist on "AP qualified teachers."

This shows how little you actually know about IB. What about kids who are working on an IB diploma or taking a 2 year course Vs 1 year? Of course it would have to be phased out. And they should keep IB where there are students interested in it like SL or Marshall. Put AP in schools that parents flee so now they don’t have excuse anymore.

Cold turkey is best. Just scrap IB and let the seniors take AP or Honors classes their senior year.

You know some actually prefer IB? Keep it in a few schools.

Do not scrap IB cold turkey. 100% agree that some prefer IB. Yes, our base school is one of the high FARMS, high ESOL IB school. I have one who graduated with the IB diploma and youngest is graduating next week and did IB diploma. I have a third child who went to a private high school that was an AP school. Personally, I prefer the IB program but I HATE how FCPS has implemented the IB program and it is definitely not for every student.

My suggestion is to have 3 IB schools in the county spaced out around the county. South Lakes and Marshall are fairly relatively close to each other so I don't know if another high school like Centerville would be better geographically. However, SL and Marshall already both have somewhat successful programs. The third one should definitely be at Lewis simply due to its geography - it's in a really good location right off the "mixing bowl" and would be a good location for all the eastern high schools. Market the program and make it a lottery like the language immersion elementary schools.

It would be interesting to know how many Herndon High students were sent to South Lakes BEFORE the 2008 boundary adjustment compared to now.

Which high schools are able to send students to South Lakes for IB? Chantilly? Oakton? I'd love to see a breakdown of how that works. It would like affirm my suspicions that people are choosing IB for reasons other than desiring IB.

I think it would be great for my humanities/loves writing kid based on my research about it/talking with people. I would actually pick IB Vs AP for her. AP would best suit my other kid. So yes-some people prefer IB. I think both programs have different strengths.

100% agree. I prefer IB over AP anyday and feel my kid should have the option to attend an IB school

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Anonymous wrote:1. Get rid of IB
Then see what happens in high schools

2. If transportation is an issue, take a serious look at eliminating AAP centers. Or, go back to GT centers which were for the highly gifted

You point out why these discussions never go anywhere. If they are thinking about ever changing programs, they kind of need to decide that before they change boundaries. But it's just as hard for them to make decisions about programs (IB, AAP, etc.) as it is to make decisions about boundaries. It would be nuts to change boundaries and then end up with even worse capacity imbalances if they did eventually decide to change programs.

How would the staffing model account for IB elimination (with grandfathering) and simultaneous recruitment and implementation of AP qualified teachers? That sounds… Complicated

I wouldn't grandfather for IB. Just eliminate it and replace it with AP. The College Board specifies the AP course curriculum but doesn't insist on "AP qualified teachers."

This shows how little you actually know about IB. What about kids who are working on an IB diploma or taking a 2 year course Vs 1 year? Of course it would have to be phased out. And they should keep IB where there are students interested in it like SL or Marshall. Put AP in schools that parents flee so now they don’t have excuse anymore.

Cold turkey is best. Just scrap IB and let the seniors take AP or Honors classes their senior year.

You know some actually prefer IB? Keep it in a few schools.

Do not scrap IB cold turkey. 100% agree that some prefer IB. Yes, our base school is one of the high FARMS, high ESOL IB school. I have one who graduated with the IB diploma and youngest is graduating next week and did IB diploma. I have a third child who went to a private high school that was an AP school. Personally, I prefer the IB program but I HATE how FCPS has implemented the IB program and it is definitely not for every student.

My suggestion is to have 3 IB schools in the county spaced out around the county. South Lakes and Marshall are fairly relatively close to each other so I don't know if another high school like Centerville would be better geographically. However, SL and Marshall already both have somewhat successful programs. The third one should definitely be at Lewis simply due to its geography - it's in a really good location right off the "mixing bowl" and would be a good location for all the eastern high schools. Market the program and make it a lottery like the language immersion elementary schools.

It would be interesting to know how many Herndon High students were sent to South Lakes BEFORE the 2008 boundary adjustment compared to now.

Which high schools are able to send students to South Lakes for IB? Chantilly? Oakton? I'd love to see a breakdown of how that works. It would like affirm my suspicions that people are choosing IB for reasons other than desiring IB.

I think it would be great for my humanities/loves writing kid based on my research about it/talking with people. I would actually pick IB Vs AP for her. AP would best suit my other kid. So yes-some people prefer IB. I think both programs have different strengths.

100% agree. I prefer IB over AP anyday and feel my kid should have the option to attend an IB school

IB has been a net negative for FCPS. Have one or two IB high schools if you must but stop creating an easy way for families to pupil place their kids out of struggling IB schools. Annandale, Edison, Justice, Lewis, and Mount Vernon are the basket cases of FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Boundary conversations always have tons of parental push back and no one has the balls to follow through with it. It should happen, but it won’t.

See, this is a problem for anyone who is in favor of change. One side has congregated into select large communities and have effectively given themselves a greater voice than everyone else. Less desirable communities are now smaller and the amount of input and voice will never be able to compete.
Just look at WP vs. Mt. Vernon. Without external forcing Mt. Vernon community members will always lose when it comes to a show of turn-out between the two. Then when external forcing from the SB does come into play, everyone else cries foul. It's a lose-lose for some communities.

There is no “external forcing” from the SB to address disparities. It is the SB itself that systematically advantages certain schools over others nearby through boundaries and resource allocation. West Potomac over Mount Vernon is just one example of many.

This is true. 100% intentional and deliberate.

And there is no political upside to any widespread adjustment. The real Machiavellian play would be for Richmond to *require* a county-wide boundary study/change and feed the resulting outrage into the existing anti-public school BS.