Boundaries assessment update 2023

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

Someone already answered your dumb question-its not logistically possible to get to 30%. Maybe 10%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Good teachers keep the poor kids away, and not carefully drawn boundaries? As pp stated, Kathy got the Meadows kicked out of CHS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone knows Langley’s boundaries are ridiculously gerrymandered to only include expensive SFHs. There are kids living almost in Loudoun going there.

But we're going to pretend that's not bussing. It's only bussing when it involves FARMs kids

And when compact boundaries like West Springfield and Chantilly are applauded for being close-knit neighborhoods schools. Good practice in theory, but compact boundaries are also exclusionary. I doubt there would be such vocal support for small catchments in those cases if the catchment included more than a few affordable housing apartments.

In Chantilly’s case just about everyone there is a lot closer to Chantilly than they are to any other HS. It’s not like Langley defending its egregiously gerrymandered boundaries, where some kids who attend Langley are closer to at least 3-4 other high schools.

That's nice (if true, I have no idea). However, FCPS does not rate proximity as the most important thing about boundary lines. 3000 kids is too many according to their own policies, so kids on the edge of the boundary should be shifted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

Pretty sure the Meadows was assigned to Westfield when it opened. It is twice as far to Chantilly (over four miles) from The Meadows as it is to Westfield (2 miles)

I think you are confusing Kathy's scheme when she moved The Meadows to Poplar Tree (her neighborhood) in order to get all day K. Then, when all schools got all day K she moved them to Virginia Run--which is closer to The Meadows.

And, I doubt The Meadows has enough high school students to make a huge difference. There is lots nmore affordable housing near Chantilly than you realize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

It's not just Langley. Geography means that Langley is hard and Mount Vernon is hard, but other schools are easy. Look at the schools that border Lewis and Annandale and Justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Good teachers keep the poor kids away, and not carefully drawn boundaries? As pp stated, Kathy got the Meadows kicked out of CHS.

Again, The Meadows shifted when Westfield was built two miles away and a lot better traffic pattern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone knows Langley’s boundaries are ridiculously gerrymandered to only include expensive SFHs. There are kids living almost in Loudoun going there.

But we're going to pretend that's not bussing. It's only bussing when it involves FARMs kids

And when compact boundaries like West Springfield and Chantilly are applauded for being close-knit neighborhoods schools. Good practice in theory, but compact boundaries are also exclusionary. I doubt there would be such vocal support for small catchments in those cases if the catchment included more than a few affordable housing apartments.

In Chantilly’s case just about everyone there is a lot closer to Chantilly than they are to any other HS. It’s not like Langley defending its egregiously gerrymandered boundaries, where some kids who attend Langley are closer to at least 3-4 other high schools.

That's nice (if true, I have no idea). However, FCPS does not rate proximity as the most important thing about boundary lines. 3000 kids is too many according to their own policies, so kids on the edge of the boundary should be shifted.

To which "underenrolled" school would you send Chantilly students?

[Anonymous]

If one were just talking about existing high schools and not a new school, it seems like the easiest fix would be to move part of Chantilly to Westfield and part of Westfield to Herndon. Herndon is projected to be 15% under capacity in 2027.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Good teachers keep the poor kids away, and not carefully drawn boundaries? As pp stated, Kathy got the Meadows kicked out of CHS.

Again, The Meadows shifted when Westfield was built two miles away and a lot better traffic pattern.

Westfield was built in 2000. Are you saying the kids from The Meadows were zoned there since then? I don’t think that’s the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

Pretty sure the Meadows was assigned to Westfield when it opened. It is twice as far to Chantilly (over four miles) from The Meadows as it is to Westfield (2 miles)

I think you are confusing Kathy's scheme when she moved The Meadows to Poplar Tree (her neighborhood) in order to get all day K. Then, when all schools got all day K she moved them to Virginia Run--which is closer to The Meadows.

And, I doubt The Meadows has enough high school students to make a huge difference. There is lots nmore affordable housing near Chantilly than you realize.

Wouldn't a neighborhood zoned for Poplar Tree also be zoned for Chantilly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone knows Langley’s boundaries are ridiculously gerrymandered to only include expensive SFHs. There are kids living almost in Loudoun going there.

But we're going to pretend that's not bussing. It's only bussing when it involves FARMs kids

And when compact boundaries like West Springfield and Chantilly are applauded for being close-knit neighborhoods schools. Good practice in theory, but compact boundaries are also exclusionary. I doubt there would be such vocal support for small catchments in those cases if the catchment included more than a few affordable housing apartments.

In Chantilly’s case just about everyone there is a lot closer to Chantilly than they are to any other HS. It’s not like Langley defending its egregiously gerrymandered boundaries, where some kids who attend Langley are closer to at least 3-4 other high schools.

That's nice (if true, I have no idea). However, FCPS does not rate proximity as the most important thing about boundary lines. 3000 kids is too many according to their own policies, so kids on the edge of the boundary should be shifted.

To which "underenrolled" school would you send Chantilly students?

However it worked out with the new HS building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any fair boundary realignment for a new high school in that part of the county would be at least 30% FARMS. Hence Chantilly parents happily proclaiming that they just love their overcrowded school.

CVHS is 33%
Westfield is 33%
Chantilly is 20%
Herndon is 48%
Fairfax HS is 34%
South Lakes is 31%

Langley is 4%. Not enough eye rolls in the world

How are you going to make Langley 30% FARMS?

Impossible without too much busing. But it seems ridiculous to exist in the same universe as the rest of the schools.
The person's point was that a new western high school should clock in around 25% or more Farms to match the demographics of that area, which seems about right. Look at CVHS and Westfield. Chantilly has created a magical little island for itself.

???At 20% FARMS?

Nothing has been added to Chantilly to make it more affluent--in fact, the last neighborhood to be removed from Chantilly was a VERY affluent neighborhood that was sent to Oakton-already a more affluent school. And, that was almost 20 years ago.

Chantilly has not created a "magical little island." Just maybe, the "magical little island" is a result of good solid teachers that make families want to move into its district. It is hardly a wealthy area.

Nonsense. Kathy Smith moved that trailer park out of Chantilly's boundaries maybe 10 years ago.

Pretty sure the Meadows was assigned to Westfield when it opened. It is twice as far to Chantilly (over four miles) from The Meadows as it is to Westfield (2 miles)

I think you are confusing Kathy's scheme when she moved The Meadows to Poplar Tree (her neighborhood) in order to get all day K. Then, when all schools got all day K she moved them to Virginia Run--which is closer to The Meadows.

And, I doubt The Meadows has enough high school students to make a huge difference. There is lots nmore affordable housing near Chantilly than you realize.

Wouldn't a neighborhood zoned for Poplar Tree also be zoned for Chantilly?

I don't remember where The Meadows went before that--but they were not "zoned" for Poplar Tree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic bargain in Fairfax is we get a bunch of Democrats who are far-left on issues like trans rights and far-right when it comes to school boundaries.

Perfect example is snobby Elaine Tholen, who appointed a trans activist to the FCPS Family Life Committee, but fought to make sure not a single apartment or condo is zoned to Langley High.

The board care deeply about equity as long as the poor kids don't start getting crazy notions about being rezoned to better schools

No one has yet answered the question: who would you zone into Langley to make it 30% FARMS?

NP but kids that currently go to South Lakes or Herndon.