Magnet application result High School

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

I agree, even if there were no scores, the list is toxic. That wasn't a thing, or at least not a big enough thing that my kids were affected when the were at TPMS 3 and 5 years ago. This just makes me sad.

No one has confirmed there is a list with scores. No one. My child saw a compilation on a group chat that’s all. It wasn’t a ranking and it was presented without judgment after the kids themselves had chimed in to say they had got in. I haven’t heard anything about toxic competitiveness but I have an unusually chill child who tends to be turned off by and then ignore competitiveness. Did want to know who would be joining them at Blair though so appreciated the list .

Everyone will see who is going at the open house. The list serves no purpose.

The open house is on Monday. The kids are excited. Of course it serves a purpose!

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Anonymous wrote:The mean MAP-M for last year for a Blair was I think 275 if I’m remembering correctly. So lots of space for scores under 275 with half of applicants below that point.

Which map test are you talking about because it changes as kids go up? Some are taking the regular MAP and some are doing the Algebra ones...

They are all taking the 6-8th grade MAP. There is no separate algebra MAP!

Yes, there is.

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Anonymous wrote:The mean MAP-M for last year for a Blair was I think 275 if I’m remembering correctly. So lots of space for scores under 275 with half of applicants below that point.

Which map test are you talking about because it changes as kids go up? Some are taking the regular MAP and some are doing the Algebra ones...

They are all taking the 6-8th grade MAP. There is no separate algebra MAP!

Yes, there is.

No there is not. All the 8th graders through out the county take the same MAP M test. There is an algebra MCAP but MAP is the same whatever course they are taking.

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Anonymous wrote:The mean MAP-M for last year for a Blair was I think 275 if I’m remembering correctly. So lots of space for scores under 275 with half of applicants below that point.

Which map test are you talking about because it changes as kids go up? Some are taking the regular MAP and some are doing the Algebra ones...

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there was a different map being offered at the wealthy Potomac schools.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

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The TPMS magnet kids group chat is fortunately nothing like the nasty parents here on DCUM. My kid hasn’t encountered any toxic competitiveness either but I have a child who avoids that kind of thing anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

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I agree the discussion about the list has been overblown. The kids were just talking about who got in and CONGRATULATING each other. They were excited to see which classmates might attend HS with them.

It should not be surprising that they were talking about this on chat and that the same discussions were taking place among other 8th graders at other school all over the county.

The TPMS chat got overwhelming because of so many "yes I got responses" that someone created a list. It was not meant to be a list for parents to look at and it was not created for people to try to compare themselves to those who got in.

There are a few smug parents on this thread who are talking down to those whose children did not get in. There are also a few upset parents whose children did not get in and are making some accusations with no evidence. Put those two together and that's how you got this toxic thread.

FWIW, I agree a little bit with everyone. I do think there's a lot of randomness and luck in the process. I can also see how there are biases built into the system but accusing specific kids at specific schools of getting in because of their race is going too far.

To those on waitlists from TPMS, I suspect many of your children will end up getting offers in the next few months. There are a lot of highly qualified kids who were not offered spots. Stay positive and be kind to those who did get in. They may end up being your child's classmates next year.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

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Anonymous wrote:High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped by Dr Li

Good Essays = They probably used an essay consultant

All around performance = Their parents had the luxury of time and money to ferry them to sports or music.

Hence all advanced programs should only have student ID put into a lottery and numbers pulled out like Powerball.

Could the kids have worked hard or just be smart??? Are you kidding!!! That could never happen.

But this is true of white kids as well, right?

High Academic performance in COGAT or MAP = Prepped at home

Good Essays = Proof-read and edited by a highly educated native English speaking parent

All around performance = Parents with time and energy to drive to travel soccer, volunteer opportunities, etc.

Hush. Get with the program. All Magnet acceptance posts on DCUM are for Asian bashing. You should not be saying "But others could have this advantage too"

LOL. I'm the PP and I'm writing as a white parent whose child was admitted to their preferred program(s). I fully acknowledge the ways in which my child's privilege is part of the equation here. In my case, it's not income (we're genuinely middle class, not just DCUM middle class), and it's not paid test prep, but it's pretty clear that my child's extracurriculars were a big part of their successful package. Those extracurriculars are extremely time consuming, and require one parent to either have a flexible work schedule or to be a SAHP.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that privilege is in the mix here. I can't undo the years that I spend driving my kid to their activity, and they have worked incredibly hard to get to the level that they have. It demonstrates something about them, for sure. But it would not have been possible without some specific circumstances at home.

Correct. And the choices you made (or had the ability to make) and priorities you had for your kid coupled with their interests. That is why I get particularly peeved when DCUM always characterizes Asians as not-intelligent robots coming through the Dr Li factory.

signed - An immigrant whose kid did not go to prep classes and got admitted to 7 Magnet programs.

DP I agree that characterization is unfair and racist. But I also think it appears in reaction to claims that Asian students are discriminated against by the selection committees, when there is absolutely no evidence to support this and overwhelming evidence that they are in fact over represented.

PP- My problem is there should be no concept of representation or over representation for these admissions. May the best kids get selected, whatever the criteria is. There should not be a "Your race is 13% of the population, so the 14th student who gets admitted in a 100 seat program means you are over-represented"

Look, I absolutely understand your frustration. And this is for anyone thinking kids like mine shouldn't have been chosen:
My kid is one of those "surprises" for Blair and I'm going to tell you how we approached application and perhaps it might help you see it in a different view. Why the committee chose them.
My kid knew they did not have the top map scores. They love math but science is their passion and that includes computer science too.
I don't want to identify myself or my child but because of my job, I approached the application as a job application. If a candidate doesn't have the top education or experience I listed on the job post, what do I want to see on the resume that could make me think yes, this is the IT guy I want.
So, in the award section, they listed awards or achievements strictly outside of school that showed discipline and hard work.
In the hobbies, they put one instrument (not a common one) one sports that takes discipline. One artistic hobby, two leasure ones and 2 that shows an interest in math science and computer science at home.
In the volunteer section, two that have nothing to do with SSL hours.
Their essay was written in their own voice, not very polished and rather short. They demonstrated a lifelong passion for science and computer science and strong work ethic as well as loving to collaborate with peers that they can learn from. Basically selling their soft skills as a way to offset a lower map score than others.
They were accepted into all of their choices so it means that different committees found their application compelling.
Remember that the map scores are only ONE criteria, the first one mentioned is a strong demonstrated interest in math science and computer science. They did not focus on math on the application but on all 3 subjects.
Again, I'm sorry. It feels unfair when the kid obviously worked very hard but that doesn't mean my kid deserves it less. My kid wants to be a scientist and they are doing stellar in science. Cogat was 99 percentile in 5th grade. They're a good fit for the magnet. Again I'm sorry.

What was the MAP score?

It was below 300!

Oh come on..0-300?

Not giving the exact number because there is a list the kids made that some parents have seen and I don't want to identify my child online.

I'm sorry but I have seen a number of comments here that TPMS magnet kids are making shareable lists of scores and admits and that is....toxic. Feeling compelled to collect and share that information is just not cool. That's a really bad behavior and cultural practice to feed (I mean culture of the way of thinking...not ethnicity). At a certain point it's not pride anymore: it's exclusivity and intellectual narcissism and it's not even a good luck for super gifted kids.

My kid is in the magnet and doesn't participate in this. They have a regular 98/99 MAP, but feel inferior to the kids who boast about 320s.

Do you not see all the parents here bragging? The toxic culture of the race to nowhere is alive and well at MCPS magnet programs. Of course the students feed into it all and many go on to have a lot mental health issues down the line. My oldest was in RMIB and was miserable. The students turn their noses up to non IB students. They popped adderall to focus all night study sessions to stay ahead. They ridiculed and dropped anyone that left the IB for a more balanced life. “They couldn’t do it” I definitely believe they are making lists and there is probably a mom who helped start it talking to another mom on the phone. Then let the kids take over. There are some genuinely nice kids, but the majority think and act like they are better than everyone else.

Unfortunately, I agree. And it begins with some of the parents. Essentially having just one metric here - MAP M has made it way worse for the kids too. They are focused less on the joy of learning and more on one test where you have to study ahead for success.

So your answer here is to demonize hard work and ability?

It’s not one metric. It’s very clear that the essay is very important too, arguably more so if you don’t have 300 plus map scores

I'm not privy to this list or even aware that it actually exists, but I do have one of those rare kids with over 300 at TPMS. I asked DC if they'd heard of this, they said then even they checked two groups and couldn't find anything... I guess that doesn't prove anything but I honestly have to wonder if this is just some another DCUM fabrication.

My kid didn’t know about it either. But she also said she “wouldn’t be friends with kids who did that kind of thing,” so maybe it’s one particular friend group?

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This 300+ thing, it clearly went beyond fabrication at least in this thread.

For one, since MCPS eliminates CoGAT and emphasizes MAP-M as the only quantifiable metric for STEM magnet, kids have to chase higher scores to assure a better chance for an education that fits their needs.

For two, among the 300+ kids (yes, one of them is my DC), they set this as a little game with NEWA to seek the scoring mechanisms behind the test. They are proud to get a higher score, but nothing beyond that at least to my knowledge. The highest scorer doesn't get any reward. And kids in Roberto Clement and other local MSs also have these scores. Why set TPMS as a target? It's the fault of the evaluation system that uses a test that's not supposed to be used as a differentiation tool for the tail distribution.

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Anonymous wrote:This 300+ thing, it clearly went beyond fabrication at least in this thread.

For one, since MCPS eliminates CoGAT and emphasizes MAP-M as the only quantifiable metric for STEM magnet, kids have to chase higher scores to assure a better chance for an education that fits their needs.

For two, among the 300+ kids (yes, one of them is my DC), they set this as a little game with NEWA to seek the scoring mechanisms behind the test. They are proud to get a higher score, but nothing beyond that at least to my knowledge. The highest scorer doesn't get any reward. And kids in Roberto Clement and other local MSs also have these scores. Why set TPMS as a target? It's the fault of the evaluation system that uses a test that's not supposed to be used as a differentiation tool for the tail distribution.

My guess is that kids (and parents) put more weight on this than the committee does because it’s the only quantitative metric we have (beyond GPA, which probably has less variation.)

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Anonymous wrote:This 300+ thing, it clearly went beyond fabrication at least in this thread.

For one, since MCPS eliminates CoGAT and emphasizes MAP-M as the only quantifiable metric for STEM magnet, kids have to chase higher scores to assure a better chance for an education that fits their needs.

For two, among the 300+ kids (yes, one of them is my DC), they set this as a little game with NEWA to seek the scoring mechanisms behind the test. They are proud to get a higher score, but nothing beyond that at least to my knowledge. The highest scorer doesn't get any reward. And kids in Roberto Clement and other local MSs also have these scores. Why set TPMS as a target? It's the fault of the evaluation system that uses a test that's not supposed to be used as a differentiation tool for the tail distribution.

Agree. Absolutely not blaming the kids or TPMS but having essentially one heavily weighed metric (grade variation being very low) creates problems. MAP M is not supposed to be used this way. There is no other choice though given the weak evaluation system.