I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Could you provide sources for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Can you give specific examples of the bolded? I tried looking and the one example I found was Michigan, but it’s a provision that was previously in place.

DP here, but didn’t Stacey Abrams think the election was rigged against her? What do you propose happen when one side thinks there was impropriety in casting or counting votes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have been screaming about "voter fraud" for years and still haven't come up with any examples of actual, systemic fraud. Failing that, they're using GOP state legislatures to pass laws to "fix" non-existent problems.

The Democrats are the ones who claimed the 2016 election was rigged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Could you provide sources for this?

JFC read the whole thread, it is full of sources for this and all sorts of other information you’ve never heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Could you provide sources for this?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dozen-state-laws-shift-power-elections-partisan-entities/story?id=79408455

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have been screaming about "voter fraud" for years and still haven't come up with any examples of actual, systemic fraud. Failing that, they're using GOP state legislatures to pass laws to "fix" non-existent problems.

The Democrats are the ones who claimed the 2016 election was rigged.

That’s not a claim. The GOP, Fox and Facebook did work with Russia. It’s called treason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Could you provide sources for this?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dozen-state-laws-shift-power-elections-partisan-entities/story?id=79408455

So much has been spoon fed to the GOP and they never read a single link nor do they reply with anything that implies they are thinking beyond Fox talking points.

[Anonymous]

The Houston chapter of the Texas League of Women Voters received only 50, then 1,000 voter registration forms from the state and had to threaten to sue them to obtain the 10,000 they usually need to last them through this quarter. The deadline to register for the 2022 primaries is a week from now. Texas is one of eleven states that does not allow online voter registration.
https://www.chron.com/politics/article/Texas-voter-registration-forms-League-of-Women-16799857.php?fbclid=IwAR2yRNqhSQpBJRvtcMiR3TNx7IgOmth0m8izOUqvNdLXL9WejEa_Lz5k_a8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Could you provide sources for this?

DP here.

Sources for clouting of polling locations by Republicans:

*Guardian analysis of the closing of over 500 polling sites in Texas in largely minority areas
"The analysis finds that the 50 counties that gained the most Black and Latinx residents between 2012 and 2018 closed 542 polling sites, compared to just 34 closures in the 50 counties that have gained the fewest black and Latinx residents. This is despite the fact that the population in the former group of counties has risen by 2.5 million people, whereas in the latter category the total population has fallen by over 13,000."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

*from Reuters:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting
"States across the American South have closed nearly 1,200 polling places since the Supreme Court weakened a landmark voting-discrimination law in 2013, according to a report released by a civil-rights group on Tuesday."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

Sources for claim that "multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like":

I'm not going to summarize the article for you. Read it yourself. It provides multiple examples of states that have passed laws to overturn election results. Please educate yourself and read something outside your RW bubble.

14 GOP-Controlled States Have Passed Laws to Impede Free Elections
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/06/14-gop-controlled-states-have-passed-laws-to-impede-free-elections/

[Anonymous]

Narrator: they won't read it for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Narrator: they won't read it for themselves.

Is that the problem? Can they not read? Is that why they lean on Fox for talking points?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Narrator: they won't read it for themselves.

Is that the problem? Can they not read? Is that why they lean on Fox for talking points?

Why would they read your version of the truth when they already have the gospel truth from fox? The most conservative people I know* believe in their values and their news and their truthiness slightly less than they believe in the Bible. Like, just enough less to avoid breaking a commandment. Not they lying one, the one about putting other gods before their god. They’re so sure they’re right, they’ll never explore other religions or other news sources.

*I’m talking about people I actually know who used to be more reasonable and open minded, but seem to have shut that sh*t down with age and trump and pandemic exacerbated mental illness-including but not limited to anxiety and depression. I’m not saying every Republican is like this, or every conservative I know. But the southern, conservative, evangelical Christian’s who hopped on the trump train that I know… yeah.

[Anonymous]

House Bill 2596, which dropped Friday, would eliminate all early voting, emergency voting centers, and no-excuse mail-in voting. It also gives Arizona’s gerrymandered Republican legislature the final say over election results, ensuring that key races always go their way. Is that enough for you “rationale” conservatives?

[Anonymous]

OP no one can change the mind of an entrenched Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP no one can change the mind of an entrenched Republican.

There are only two ways to be a Republican in this day and age; either you're too stupid to understand GOP policies are terrible for the vast majority of the country, or you're in that minority and are too selfish to care.

Either way, you'll either not have the mental or empathetic capacity to change your mind.