Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone ask how getting rid of AAP centers at middle schools would or would not affect the proposed MS changes?

Yes but it was ignored. There were over 50 questions and they couldn’t get to them all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So in Scenario 2, Oak Hill ES stays at Franklin and Crossfield moves to Franklin? And parts of Dogwood and Hunters Woods gets rezoned to Carson to make up for that? So Hughes capacity gets reduced to 89%. I just don't get that part.

+1

That has to be corrected in the next iteration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one wins with any of these scenarios. Someone is going to have to get moved. It all sucks.

Only ppl going to western need to be moved. Nobody else needs to be touched.

It’s simply not possible for this to happen. Westfield is losing 1,000 students to Skyview. There will need to be an elementary school or two that need to move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So in Scenario 2, Oak Hill ES stays at Franklin and Crossfield moves to Franklin? And parts of Dogwood and Hunters Woods gets rezoned to Carson to make up for that? So Hughes capacity gets reduced to 89%. I just don't get that part.

I am guessing they want to decrease the FARMs rate at Hughes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one wins with any of these scenarios. Someone is going to have to get moved. It all sucks.

Only ppl going to western need to be moved. Nobody else needs to be touched.

It’s simply not possible for this to happen. Westfield is losing 1,000 students to Skyview. There will need to be an elementary school or two that need to move.

Agreed, HSs had to be adjusted. MS made sense to adjust but no one expected ES to be adjusted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one wins with any of these scenarios. Someone is going to have to get moved. It all sucks.

Only ppl going to western need to be moved. Nobody else needs to be touched.

It’s simply not possible for this to happen. Westfield is losing 1,000 students to Skyview. There will need to be an elementary school or two that need to move.

Agreed, HSs had to be adjusted. MS made sense to adjust but no one expected ES to be adjusted.

They could have changed the HS boundaries without touching ES and MS. More split feeders but oh well.

[Anonymous]

Is there a pattern that the nonsensical moves are for balancing out FARMs rates? I don't see any sense to most of the ES boundary changes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in Scenario 2, Oak Hill ES stays at Franklin and Crossfield moves to Franklin? And parts of Dogwood and Hunters Woods gets rezoned to Carson to make up for that? So Hughes capacity gets reduced to 89%. I just don't get that part.

I am guessing they want to decrease the FARMs rate at Hughes

Except the parts they propose moving are all single family homes in the neighborhoods that actually help reduce the FARMs percentage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in Scenario 2, Oak Hill ES stays at Franklin and Crossfield moves to Franklin? And parts of Dogwood and Hunters Woods gets rezoned to Carson to make up for that? So Hughes capacity gets reduced to 89%. I just don't get that part.

I am guessing they want to decrease the FARMs rate at Hughes

The one part of Dogwood that they want to move is Polo Fields. Moving that neighborhood doesn’t help the FARMS rate. Those are nice SFH. Most people in that neighborhood don’t attend dogwood in the first place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

LOL. I heard that. A clueless parent who literally said “distance doesn’t matter so much as keeping them with friends.” For a first grader!!!

Are you on the spectrum? By first grade my kid had deep friendships with classmates.

I feel sorry for your kids that they have a parent that thinks distance is the only factor to consider in schools.

You and PP are learning, shockingly apparently in real-time, that it is not just about rankings and distance, most of us care about our community above all else. Community is what makes a school desirable.

I’m curious why you chose to use being on the spectrum as an insult? Do you think it’s ok to insult people by claiming they have a disability? Gross.

There is no such thing as a “deep” friendship in 1st grade. By the time your child gets to high school, friendships will have changed a dozen times. In fact, middle school is a time where kids will make a ton of new friends that will go to their high school. Absolutely no one is making a decision about high schools based on the opinions of a first grade parent. In each scenario your own child will get to stay at their assigned elementary school anyway. And maybe you don’t realize it, but in 2 of the 3 scenarios, your entire community would actually feed into the same high school! If your child’s friendship is so deep by first grade, wouldn’t you want that? So what is the problem?

And when you are talking about high school, you must understand distance is a major factor. That’s what we heard time and time again at the meeting last night. High schoolers often have to stay after for activities or service hours or to make up tests. Kids involved in band or orchestra may have to stay after to practice. Or they have to return to school for an evening event. High schoolers also stay up later doing homework and need more sleep. Getting up earlier for a further commute isn’t an option. You don’t understand any of this because you have a 1st grader.

People here regularly define “community” in convenient ways to keep themselves at the higher-rated schools. It’s so transparent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

LOL. I heard that. A clueless parent who literally said “distance doesn’t matter so much as keeping them with friends.” For a first grader!!!

Are you on the spectrum? By first grade my kid had deep friendships with classmates.

I feel sorry for your kids that they have a parent that thinks distance is the only factor to consider in schools.

You and PP are learning, shockingly apparently in real-time, that it is not just about rankings and distance, most of us care about our community above all else. Community is what makes a school desirable.

I’m curious why you chose to use being on the spectrum as an insult? Do you think it’s ok to insult people by claiming they have a disability? Gross.

There is no such thing as a “deep” friendship in 1st grade. By the time your child gets to high school, friendships will have changed a dozen times. In fact, middle school is a time where kids will make a ton of new friends that will go to their high school. Absolutely no one is making a decision about high schools based on the opinions of a first grade parent. In each scenario your own child will get to stay at their assigned elementary school anyway. And maybe you don’t realize it, but in 2 of the 3 scenarios, your entire community would actually feed into the same high school! If your child’s friendship is so deep by first grade, wouldn’t you want that? So what is the problem?

And when you are talking about high school, you must understand distance is a major factor. That’s what we heard time and time again at the meeting last night. High schoolers often have to stay after for activities or service hours or to make up tests. Kids involved in band or orchestra may have to stay after to practice. Or they have to return to school for an evening event. High schoolers also stay up later doing homework and need more sleep. Getting up earlier for a further commute isn’t an option. You don’t understand any of this because you have a 1st grader.

+1 Tired of all these first grade mommies thinking they know when they don't know anything and don't have to make long commutes to high schools in addition to all the other activities the kids have. Deep friendship in first? That's laughable! And to top it off, shes insulting to people on the spectrum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

Did they freak out about their little Franklin Farm island? That gets moved in all three scenarios (I agree that it should move, it's dumb).

I believe Lees Corner and Navy parents rightfully called out the Chief of staff for claiming they had informed everyone for the last 18 months about these changes which is entirely untrue. These maps were introduced on Tuesday.

I wasn’t at the meeting and have no idea what other Navy parents are saying, but for the past however many months we were given the impression that the only group they were focusing on was that Navy island (FF). Now every, single Navy household is personally affected by one of these scenarios. I don’t care one bit if my kid goes to Chantilly. I do care if my child has to drive past Navy to go to a Waples Mill for 6th grade, which is twice the distance and based on the map would split him from 95% of his friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a pattern that the nonsensical moves are for balancing out FARMs rates? I don't see any sense to most of the ES boundary changes.

According to the presentation, they randomly assigned SPAs on the edges of boundaries and then went back to check for physical boundaries and continuity of neighborhoods. I don’t think they were beholden to the same “if it’s under 105% capacity, you can leave it alone” design requirements, which is why there seems to be a lot of tweaking to get all the schools between 85-95% capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

Did they freak out about their little Franklin Farm island? That gets moved in all three scenarios (I agree that it should move, it's dumb).

I believe Lees Corner and Navy parents rightfully called out the Chief of staff for claiming they had informed everyone for the last 18 months about these changes which is entirely untrue. These maps were introduced on Tuesday.

I wasn’t at the meeting and have no idea what other Navy parents are saying, but for the past however many months we were given the impression that the only group they were focusing on was that Navy island (FF). Now every, single Navy household is personally affected by one of these scenarios. I don’t care one bit if my kid goes to Chantilly. I do care if my child has to drive past Navy to go to a Waples Mill for 6th grade, which is twice the distance and based on the map would split him from 95% of his friends.

I hear you. You are probably referring to Scenario 1 which moves some Navy families to Waples Mill. Luckily, it sounds like Scenarios 1&3 will be canned. At the meeting on Tuesday and last night, most groups agreed Scenario 2 was the lesser of the evils. In fact, the moderator said Scenario 2 was designed to be more conservative and move kids less. My guess is they will revise it after the feedback. They said that’s why they are doing these meetings. New maps will come out in May.

Also, Scenarios 1&3 had Lees Corner Elementary, which currently goes to Chantilly HS and some can even walk, moving to Westfield HS which is so far down 50 it’s ridiculous.

All of this leads me to believe they will not proceed with either of these scenarios.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Navy mommies are outdoing the Rios tonight. God forbid their first grader gets moved to Chantilly from Oakton. Half the distance and a fairly equal school. Where is the humanity??? Welp!

LOL. I heard that. A clueless parent who literally said “distance doesn’t matter so much as keeping them with friends.” For a first grader!!!

Are you on the spectrum? By first grade my kid had deep friendships with classmates.

I feel sorry for your kids that they have a parent that thinks distance is the only factor to consider in schools.

You and PP are learning, shockingly apparently in real-time, that it is not just about rankings and distance, most of us care about our community above all else. Community is what makes a school desirable.

I’m curious why you chose to use being on the spectrum as an insult? Do you think it’s ok to insult people by claiming they have a disability? Gross.

There is no such thing as a “deep” friendship in 1st grade. By the time your child gets to high school, friendships will have changed a dozen times. In fact, middle school is a time where kids will make a ton of new friends that will go to their high school. Absolutely no one is making a decision about high schools based on the opinions of a first grade parent. In each scenario your own child will get to stay at their assigned elementary school anyway. And maybe you don’t realize it, but in 2 of the 3 scenarios, your entire community would actually feed into the same high school! If your child’s friendship is so deep by first grade, wouldn’t you want that? So what is the problem?

And when you are talking about high school, you must understand distance is a major factor. That’s what we heard time and time again at the meeting last night. High schoolers often have to stay after for activities or service hours or to make up tests. Kids involved in band or orchestra may have to stay after to practice. Or they have to return to school for an evening event. High schoolers also stay up later doing homework and need more sleep. Getting up earlier for a further commute isn’t an option. You don’t understand any of this because you have a 1st grader.

People here regularly define “community” in convenient ways to keep themselves at the higher-rated schools. It’s so transparent.

The bolded is what I agree with. My kids went to a close school. I'm not sure they could have participated in as many activities if they had gone across hill and dale to get there. An hour--and likely more at rush hour-to drive to pick them up is a lot out of a day--especially when you have younger kids, too. For me, it was 15 to 20 minutes to leave home and pick up. I guess if you have one kid and no job, it could work.
There is also the friend element. If the friends live far at the other end of the boundary, logistics get in the way of friendship.
Close is good and much more amenable to "deep friendships."