Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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So we are back to BS about Ukrainian victories. Need to push the narrative for the next package. Tools of K street; Masters of War.

While there are undoubtedly military industrial complex people and entities reaping massive financial windfalls, it remains true that Ukraine is fighting for its independence.

Putin’s delusional unprovoked invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation has been a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia.

Ukraine is winning though. For too long we have been too weak with Russia so I’m glad that we finally toughened up under the Biden administration.

Terrible move by Russia - agreed.

Ukraine winning- bs. Country is being destroyed by the day.

Dp- does Ukraine win by letting Russia take over? Is that how they win?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would care about sending Ukraine billions in aid if it was, say - coming from funds for our southern border. But it’s not. We do not spend money on immigration solutions.

America wastes so much money on dumb things sending billions to blow up Russians is actually a good investment.

Plus it is just kind of fun.

Also, sending old tanks and surplus military equipment to get blown up in Ukraine is actually cheaper than decommissioning them in many cases. So the argument could be made that we are actually saving some money for once. But mostly destroying Russian military is the why we have no concerns on spending billions.
Maybe when NFL and NBA seasons start we will lose some interest - but for now Russian losses are good entertainment value.

Get ready because those losses are going to continue accelerating. The mine fields behind the main defense line are noticeably less dense (with documented lanes of travel) because the Russians needed space to operate. Combined with Ukraine's artillery advantage and cluster munitions, they're going to keep pushing hard south.

And why would Ukraine want to negotiate now, when it has momentum on a clear path to victory? Just look:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-05/eu-set-to-double-output-of-artillery-shells-after-slow-start

While Russia is forced to go begging to North Korea for old surplus artillery shells and fuses (which frequently fail), Ukraine is set to revive increasing supplies of fresh, western artillery shells from Europe.

Along with Ukraine’s other allies, we can keep this up indefinitely. But Russia is facing a failing economy, a demographic time-bomb, and increasing external pressure through sanctions.

It remains to be seen whether the Wagner PMC Operation in Africa will continue to turn a profit in the wake of Putin assassinating Piggy.

Speaking of demographic time bombs...Bloomberg reports on a new study that shows up to 3.3 million Ukrainians (or 8% of the population) may not return home. This is 600K more than a similar study showed in December. Most of the non-returning refugees are women who want a better future for their children.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-05/more-ukrainians-who-fled-war-may-never-return-study-shows#xj4y7vzkg

Young men dying, young women gone. This is not good.

Yes. That's war. If Russia didn't invade Ukraine, things would be fine. But Russia did invade Ukraine and so there are consequences.

The biggest one is that Russia is destroyed for generations. You want to talk about demographic time bombs? 300,000 young Russian men are done. Most dead. Others with catastrophic injuries. And all the smart ones with means have fled - Indonesia, Turkey, and elsewhere.

Eventually Ukraine will defeat Russia. The only thing Russia will have left to sell are brides.

This war is a disaster for Russia. Long may it last.

You must know that these numbers are projections. Neither country made their losses public.

Demographic time bombs are driven by lack of women, not lack of men. Sperm is cheap.

Many men who were killed have already procreated. They marry young.

It’s a bad move for Russia. Bad for Ukraine too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So we are back to BS about Ukrainian victories. Need to push the narrative for the next package. Tools of K street; Masters of War.

While there are undoubtedly military industrial complex people and entities reaping massive financial windfalls, it remains true that Ukraine is fighting for its independence.

Putin’s delusional unprovoked invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation has been a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia.

Ukraine is winning though. For too long we have been too weak with Russia so I’m glad that we finally toughened up under the Biden administration.

Terrible move by Russia - agreed.

Ukraine winning- bs. Country is being destroyed by the day.

Dp- does Ukraine win by letting Russia take over? Is that how they win?

How hard would it have been to declare neutrality? Is it really worth the damage?

You cannot fight geography. Russia is there, always will be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So we are back to BS about Ukrainian victories. Need to push the narrative for the next package. Tools of K street; Masters of War.

While there are undoubtedly military industrial complex people and entities reaping massive financial windfalls, it remains true that Ukraine is fighting for its independence.

Putin’s delusional unprovoked invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation has been a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia.

Ukraine is winning though. For too long we have been too weak with Russia so I’m glad that we finally toughened up under the Biden administration.

Terrible move by Russia - agreed.

Ukraine winning- bs. Country is being destroyed by the day.

Ukraine has rebuilt the areas around Kyiv and Kharkiv that the Russians destroyed. Kick Russia out and rebuild.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pick on the Walmart set all you want; but also be honest that Americas elite has a pretty crappy record with military adventure.

Please remind me which military adventures the Walmart set has not vigorously supported? Pretty much Ukraine, and why? Because Trump is a self declared friend of Putin, who was led to believe, by Russians, that Ukraine somehow conspired to interfere with his election.

That is what it's about. They are not the hapless victims of Americas elite. They are currently the hapless victims of Donald J. Trump.

A lot of people lost their appetite for endless wars after the never ending Afghanistan/Iraq debacles. Has absolutely nothing to do with Russia Russia Russia.

Agreed that the Cheney team did a lot of damage to US foreign policy. But if you turn your back now, you'll be the same as empowering Hitler in 1938.

"On 1st September over 320,000 children went to school at liberated territories and on Donbas, 29,500 of them are first graders. This is one of the main achievements of the SMO [special military operation]. We have torn over 1/3 million children out of the hands of the crazy rusophobic propaganda. This is wonderful."
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1698238267181662561

"When some million and a half 10th- and 11th-graders across Russia and the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine started the school year on Friday, they received new textbooks for their history classes. Of these, the most notable is the new 11th-grade Russian history text, hastily written at the direction of a Kremlin aide to justify what the Russian government calls the “special military operation” in Ukraine."
"The new textbook, titled History of Russia: 1945 to the Early 21st Century"
"Amnesty International denounced the book as a “blatant attempt to unlawfully indoctrinate school children in Russia and Russian-occupied Ukrainian territories,” pointing out that teachers in the occupied parts of Ukraine “are at risk of violence, arbitrary detention and ill-treatment” if they refuse to teach the material."
"Over more than 400 pages, Ukraine is mentioned more often than any other former Soviet or Russian possession. Its supposedly central role in Russia’s own history is unambiguously promoted, while Ukrainian independence and alignment with Europe are “unthinkable” and “civilization-ending.”"
"The most infamous periods of Soviet history—genocides, mass deportations, political prisons, mass executions—are barely mentioned at all."
"When describing Russia’s supposedly “historical” ownership of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, for example, the book claims that ethnic Russians make up the “absolute majority” of Crimea’s population. But Russians only became the dominant ethnicity in Crimea through a policy of colonization and ethnic cleansing—especially after 1944, when Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered the deportation of the indigenous Crimean Tatar population, which he falsely accused of collectively collaborating with the Nazis."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/03/russia-schoolbook-schools-ukraine-west-indoctrination-history-falsification-war-hatred-putin/?tpcc=recirc_latest062921

You’re not really making a case for the Ukrainian ownership of Crimea here.

It's making a case that Russia is brainwashing children with a version of propaganda as revisionist history.

Russians have a difficult time dealing with 'factual logic and truth' versus untruths that they are forced to accept without question. When faced with a reality they cannot accept, many become irrational, angry and violent.

The man, thought to be in his early 40s and speaking in Russian, approached a group of children in the town of Einbeck in Lower Saxony who were sitting together on a bridge speaking Ukrainian. He told them they should be speaking Russian instead and that it was in fact Ukraine that started the war. The man then pulled the hair of a girl and threw a boy over the bridge’s five-metre high railing and into the canal, according to investigators. The boy hit the bridge’s iron girders before dropping into the water. The man then picked up a glass bottle and threw it at the boy while he was still in the water, hitting him on the right shoulder. The attacker fled as the other children helped the injured boy out of the water and told their parents."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-throws-10-old-off-144938016.html

Typically, they will seek to determine the level of authority making the statement and contrary statements are labeled as "delusions" (e.g. things that must be accepted without questioning or reasoning). This is a core tenant of Russian propaganda, so you'll see it play out here in DCUMS from time to time. There was a lull on this thread for a while, but it appears a new pair of Russian trolls may have been assigned to influence the thread. When confronted with facts that cannot be refuted or countered, many will instinctively react by undermining the person versus the fact.

The Russian Government takes this to the extreme by indoctrinating / brainwashing children, monitoring their reactions and culling out those that do not adapt to the training. As adults they can also be labeled so that they can be quickly discredited or locked away.

"The patients with paranoid symptoms retained some insight into their condition but overestimated their own significance and could manifest grandiose ideas of reforming society. Thereby, sluggish schizophrenia could have such symptoms as "reform delusions", "perseverance", and "struggle for the truth"."
"On the covert orders of the KGB, thousands of social and political reformers—Soviet "dissidents"—were incarcerated in mental hospitals after being labelled with diagnoses of "sluggish schizophrenia", a disease fabricated by Snezhnevsky and "Moscow school" of psychiatry."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=On%20the%20covert%20orders%20of,%22Moscow%20school%22%20of%20psychiatry.

Do you think DCUM might benefit from a character limit on a single post?

The Russians will, that's for sure.

[Anonymous]

It looks like China was over-exposed to the Ruble, but Saudi Arabia is coming to Russia's economic rescue?

"China’s biggest banks are extending billions of dollars to Russia"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-03/chinese-banks-lend-billions-to-russia-amid-western-sanctions-ft

"Oil prices hit highest of year as Saudi Arabia and Russia extend supply cuts"
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/05/oil-prices-today-chart-saudi-russia-china

The Ukrainians need vulcan cannons (either A-10's, tow mount, or the old M113-mounted M163 vulcan cannons used back in the day with Chaparral units). Although their anti-air range is about 1 km, they're actually better in a ground-support role to take out defenses and gun emplacements (3 to 4.5 km).

That would make quick work of Russan ground defenses and drones. Before the Army converted from Heavy Mechanized Brigades to Light (Counter-Insurgency), these were designed for tank-combat scenarios. Vulcan's are devastating to ground defenses, even though their primary mission is short-range air defense. The Russian Army would have no choice but to throw everything they have to stop them (tanks, aircraft, etc.) making them vulnerable to counter-attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t that a bit of magical thinking? Last I checked, most LAC, MENA and African countries plus china are happy to deal with them.

Sure - similar mafia/dictatorships would always go with the mafia model. It works well for some; terrible for most.

Africa is the third rail of civilization that Russians can exploit. West has been there done that and paid the price. Best of luck to Russian colonists.

Latin America will get their act together sooner rather than later.

Middle East will be completely irrelevant in 30 years as oil is relegated to a lubricant and limited plastics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So we are back to BS about Ukrainian victories. Need to push the narrative for the next package. Tools of K street; Masters of War.

While there are undoubtedly military industrial complex people and entities reaping massive financial windfalls, it remains true that Ukraine is fighting for its independence.

Putin’s delusional unprovoked invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation has been a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia.

Ukraine is winning though. For too long we have been too weak with Russia so I’m glad that we finally toughened up under the Biden administration.

Terrible move by Russia - agreed.

Ukraine winning- bs. Country is being destroyed by the day.

Dp- does Ukraine win by letting Russia take over? Is that how they win?

Neutrality, cede Crimea and Donbas, get that fat western aid package to rebuild and save what’s left of a generation. You’re welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So we are back to BS about Ukrainian victories. Need to push the narrative for the next package. Tools of K street; Masters of War.

While there are undoubtedly military industrial complex people and entities reaping massive financial windfalls, it remains true that Ukraine is fighting for its independence.

Putin’s delusional unprovoked invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation has been a tragedy for Ukraine and Russia.

Ukraine is winning though. For too long we have been too weak with Russia so I’m glad that we finally toughened up under the Biden administration.

Terrible move by Russia - agreed.

Ukraine winning- bs. Country is being destroyed by the day.

Dp- does Ukraine win by letting Russia take over? Is that how they win?

Neutrality, cede Crimea and Donbas, get that fat western aid package to rebuild and save what’s left of a generation. You’re welcome.

LoL.

The west won’t settle until they see Russia cede land. Russia is going to lose in unprecedented ways.
Japan gets paid.
China gets paid.
Baltics get paid.
Ukraine gets paid.

Oprah will be the announcer of the new Versailles Treaty that the world extinguishes Russian imperialism with once and for all - or really we just let Russia devolve to tribal warfare until we get bored.

The Russian reality show - thanks for playing!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t that a bit of magical thinking? Last I checked, most LAC, MENA and African countries plus china are happy to deal with them.

Sure - similar mafia/dictatorships would always go with the mafia model. It works well for some; terrible for most.

Africa is the third rail of civilization that Russians can exploit. West has been there done that and paid the price. Best of luck to Russian colonists.

Latin America will get their act together sooner rather than later.

Middle East will be completely irrelevant in 30 years as oil is relegated to a lubricant and limited plastics.

LOL. The Gulf dictatorships' money runs K street, most of DC's relevant think tanks and a bunch of hedge funds. They will buy more before it runs out. And their lack of democracy or complete disdain for human rights doesn't stop the US from having a verrry close, affectionate relationship with most of the Middle East despots. So you see, how the country chooses to run itself doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like China was over-exposed to the Ruble, but Saudi Arabia is coming to Russia's economic rescue?

"China’s biggest banks are extending billions of dollars to Russia"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-03/chinese-banks-lend-billions-to-russia-amid-western-sanctions-ft

"Oil prices hit highest of year as Saudi Arabia and Russia extend supply cuts"
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/05/oil-prices-today-chart-saudi-russia-china

The Ukrainians need vulcan cannons (either A-10's, tow mount, or the old M113-mounted M163 vulcan cannons used back in the day with Chaparral units). Although their anti-air range is about 1 km, they're actually better in a ground-support role to take out defenses and gun emplacements (3 to 4.5 km).

That would make quick work of Russan ground defenses and drones. Before the Army converted from Heavy Mechanized Brigades to Light (Counter-Insurgency), these were designed for tank-combat scenarios. Vulcan's are devastating to ground defenses, even though their primary mission is short-range air defense. The Russian Army would have no choice but to throw everything they have to stop them (tanks, aircraft, etc.) making them vulnerable to counter-attack.

What exactly is the link between oil prices and vulcan cannons? Is there a story somewhere there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like China was over-exposed to the Ruble, but Saudi Arabia is coming to Russia's economic rescue?

"China’s biggest banks are extending billions of dollars to Russia"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-03/chinese-banks-lend-billions-to-russia-amid-western-sanctions-ft

"Oil prices hit highest of year as Saudi Arabia and Russia extend supply cuts"
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/05/oil-prices-today-chart-saudi-russia-china

The Ukrainians need vulcan cannons (either A-10's, tow mount, or the old M113-mounted M163 vulcan cannons used back in the day with Chaparral units). Although their anti-air range is about 1 km, they're actually better in a ground-support role to take out defenses and gun emplacements (3 to 4.5 km).

That would make quick work of Russan ground defenses and drones. Before the Army converted from Heavy Mechanized Brigades to Light (Counter-Insurgency), these were designed for tank-combat scenarios. Vulcan's are devastating to ground defenses, even though their primary mission is short-range air defense. The Russian Army would have no choice but to throw everything they have to stop them (tanks, aircraft, etc.) making them vulnerable to counter-attack.

What exactly is the link between oil prices and vulcan cannons? Is there a story somewhere there?

Yes. If you haven't figured it out yet, AI bot's can't react to mismatched stories!

[Anonymous]

Well, at least not yet. My guess is once they can you'll see a lot more short-paragraph responses to sway public opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t that a bit of magical thinking? Last I checked, most LAC, MENA and African countries plus china are happy to deal with them.

Sure - similar mafia/dictatorships would always go with the mafia model. It works well for some; terrible for most.

Africa is the third rail of civilization that Russians can exploit. West has been there done that and paid the price. Best of luck to Russian colonists.

Latin America will get their act together sooner rather than later.

Middle East will be completely irrelevant in 30 years as oil is relegated to a lubricant and limited plastics.

LOL. The Gulf dictatorships' money runs K street, most of DC's relevant think tanks and a bunch of hedge funds. They will buy more before it runs out. And their lack of democracy or complete disdain for human rights doesn't stop the US from having a verrry close, affectionate relationship with most of the Middle East despots. So you see, how the country chooses to run itself doesn't matter.

This is an example. Notice the "drive a wedge between the US and Saudi Arabia" theme that's popped up on occasion. This is how Communists are trained to "divide" between fragile relationships. Keep this in mind when you see anti-{insert topic here} themes popping up randomly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like China was over-exposed to the Ruble, but Saudi Arabia is coming to Russia's economic rescue?

"China’s biggest banks are extending billions of dollars to Russia"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-03/chinese-banks-lend-billions-to-russia-amid-western-sanctions-ft

"Oil prices hit highest of year as Saudi Arabia and Russia extend supply cuts"
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/05/oil-prices-today-chart-saudi-russia-china

The Ukrainians need vulcan cannons (either A-10's, tow mount, or the old M113-mounted M163 vulcan cannons used back in the day with Chaparral units). Although their anti-air range is about 1 km, they're actually better in a ground-support role to take out defenses and gun emplacements (3 to 4.5 km).

That would make quick work of Russan ground defenses and drones. Before the Army converted from Heavy Mechanized Brigades to Light (Counter-Insurgency), these were designed for tank-combat scenarios. Vulcan's are devastating to ground defenses, even though their primary mission is short-range air defense. The Russian Army would have no choice but to throw everything they have to stop them (tanks, aircraft, etc.) making them vulnerable to counter-attack.

What exactly is the link between oil prices and vulcan cannons? Is there a story somewhere there?

Yes. If you haven't figured it out yet, AI bot's can't react to mismatched stories!

I think your fear of these is a bit misplaced.