FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:2022 data:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

There is a reason that parents with students at the top of this list don’t want their children to be redistricted to schools at the bottom of the list. It has nothing to do with racism. Why would any parent welcome a boundary adjustment from one of the top high schools in the county/country to one of high schools on the bottom of this list?

The literal measuring stick used by these lists is based on race and language. They conclude that having a few hundred more English Language Learners than a neighboring school will knock off several thousand places in rank because ELL kids (unsurprisingly) fail their SOL tests at a high rate.
A reasonable analyst would question the validity of ranking public schools but statistics and biases don't make money in advertising.

Please explain how race is used. Are you saying that certain races are worse students than other races?

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Anonymous wrote:Again, school age population in decline, test scores and school ratings down across the board. The whole boundary study is designed to get parents fighting with one another, and it is working, to keep eyes of the horrendous job the administration and school board in managing FCPS.

Wake up people. There is no need for this study. Make Reid and the SB focus on and fix the real problems.

Agreed, this fixes no problems but creates many.

They aren’t even sticking to their supposed transparency and open dialogue principles with the half hand-picked BRAC making decisions in secret.

it’s not secret, they just are not updating it as fast as you think they should.

My definition of secret is not allowing the public to attend the meetings, nor recording them. Them giving us the agenda and printouts is nowhere close to adequate disclosure.

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I am on the BRAC. Dr. Reid explained that we are an adivsory committee to the superintendent and therefore our meetings are not open to the public. If we were an advisory committee to the board, then they would be open to the public. The boundary review website is being updated with high level meeting minutes. We were told the website would be updated NLT close of business on the next business day following a meeting. So meetings that are held on Fridays, the website would be updated NLT Monday evening. Meetings held Monday - Thursday would be updated the following day. So far we've only had two meetings and minutes from those meetings were updated the next business day.

I don't think this is correct.

She is a public employee.

Miyares needs to get involved.

At a minimum the AG’s office should kick the tires.

And I still think you should be able to FOIA FCPS for whatever information it is providing to or receiving from the BRAC even if you can’t FOIA BRAC directly.

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DP. Not sure what you’re talking about. The current boundaries are what they are. Developers of new developments are not negotiating school assignments with FCPS on a one-off basis any longer. They used to try and do that, and sometimes succeeded, which is how some of those pockets of Herndon and Reston ended up at Langley. But FCPS got out of that business years ago. Other developers trying subsequently to get FCPS to reassign new developments off Route 7 zoned to Herndon and Marshall to Langley, for example, got rebuffed.

There is new construction on Westfields Blvd that is zoned to Cub Run, Franklin, and Chantilly. This makes no sense and certainly, it could have been rezoned to Cub Run/Stone/Westfield. FCPS is notified when there is new construction and should have adjusted it. This makes absolutely no sense at all.
Westfield is closer and far more accessible to this neighborhood. So is Stone.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who is getting "no data" on the dashboard for Herndon enrollment?

I tested lots of schools and got data.

Also, please recall, this is "potential," and some of it is not approved yet.

West Springfields data has been doing that.

Its data comes and goes.

I don’t think there’s much new development that is the subject of housing applications in the WSHS district. Once a new property gets finished, it should roll off that dashboard.

There is no new development zoned for WSHS.

All the new development inspringfield is zoned for Lewis, with a bunch between Lewis/Edison/Hayfield that should go to Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:2022 data:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

There is a reason that parents with students at the top of this list don’t want their children to be redistricted to schools at the bottom of the list. It has nothing to do with racism. Why would any parent welcome a boundary adjustment from one of the top high schools in the county/country to one of high schools on the bottom of this list?

The literal measuring stick used by these lists is based on race and language. They conclude that having a few hundred more English Language Learners than a neighboring school will knock off several thousand places in rank because ELL kids (unsurprisingly) fail their SOL tests at a high rate.
A reasonable analyst would question the validity of ranking public schools but statistics and biases don't make money in advertising.

Please explain how race is used. Are you saying that certain races are worse students than other races?

DP. Can you guys keep allegations of racism or, conversely, claims of color-blindness out of this thread for just a day and see how it goes?

[Anonymous]

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DP. Not sure what you’re talking about. The current boundaries are what they are. Developers of new developments are not negotiating school assignments with FCPS on a one-off basis any longer. They used to try and do that, and sometimes succeeded, which is how some of those pockets of Herndon and Reston ended up at Langley. But FCPS got out of that business years ago. Other developers trying subsequently to get FCPS to reassign new developments off Route 7 zoned to Herndon and Marshall to Langley, for example, got rebuffed.

There is new construction on Westfields Blvd that is zoned to Cub Run, Franklin, and Chantilly. This makes no sense and certainly, it could have been rezoned to Cub Run/Stone/Westfield. FCPS is notified when there is new construction and should have adjusted it. This makes absolutely no sense at all.
Westfield is closer and far more accessible to this neighborhood. So is Stone.

In FCPS parlance, this would require an “administrative boundary adjustment,” which FCPS stopped doing under Scott Brabrand. You may think it would make sense here, but the consensus was that the process had been abused and typically worked to the benefit of developers and parents who knew how to work the system.

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Anonymous wrote:2022 data:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

There is a reason that parents with students at the top of this list don’t want their children to be redistricted to schools at the bottom of the list. It has nothing to do with racism. Why would any parent welcome a boundary adjustment from one of the top high schools in the county/country to one of high schools on the bottom of this list?

2023

https://www.fcps.edu/news/six-fcps-high-schools-rank-among-virginias-best-us-news-world-report

The only FCPS high schools listed are the schools in the top 10 in VA:

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, #1
McLean High School, #4
Langley High School, #5
Oakton High School, #6
Marshall High School, #9
W.T. Woodson High School, #10

If they take responsibility for those schools, then shouldn't the take blame for schools on the other end of the list? We get crowing about 6 of the top 10, but no apology for Mt Vernon or Lewis' ranking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2022 data:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

There is a reason that parents with students at the top of this list don’t want their children to be redistricted to schools at the bottom of the list. It has nothing to do with racism. Why would any parent welcome a boundary adjustment from one of the top high schools in the county/country to one of high schools on the bottom of this list?

2023

https://www.fcps.edu/news/six-fcps-high-schools-rank-among-virginias-best-us-news-world-report

The only FCPS high schools listed are the schools in the top 10 in VA:

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, #1
McLean High School, #4
Langley High School, #5
Oakton High School, #6
Marshall High School, #9
W.T. Woodson High School, #10

If they take responsibility for those schools, then shouldn't the take blame for schools on the other end of the list? We get crowing about 6 of the top 10, but no apology for Mt Vernon or Lewis' ranking.

Yes. again, they need to focus on education--especially with the struggling students. But, that takes hard work. Someone posted a response earlier with a link to the FCPS videos --I did not see one that addressed the elephant in the room.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2022 data:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

There is a reason that parents with students at the top of this list don’t want their children to be redistricted to schools at the bottom of the list. It has nothing to do with racism. Why would any parent welcome a boundary adjustment from one of the top high schools in the county/country to one of high schools on the bottom of this list?

2023

https://www.fcps.edu/news/six-fcps-high-schools-rank-among-virginias-best-us-news-world-report

The only FCPS high schools listed are the schools in the top 10 in VA:

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, #1
McLean High School, #4
Langley High School, #5
Oakton High School, #6
Marshall High School, #9
W.T. Woodson High School, #10

If they take responsibility for those schools, then shouldn't the take blame for schools on the other end of the list? We get crowing about 6 of the top 10, but no apology for Mt Vernon or Lewis' ranking.

Yes. again, they need to focus on education--especially with the struggling students. But, that takes hard work. Someone posted a response earlier with a link to the FCPS videos --I did not see one that addressed the elephant in the room.

If Langley is worth a press release, then Mt Vernon should be worth pink slips

[Anonymous]

No school rankings in news releases for 2024…..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No school rankings in news releases for 2024…..

FCPS went up to seven of the top HS in Virginia in 2024 but the order/schools changed slightly:

TJ #1
Langley #2
Oakton #4
McLean #5
Marshall #6
Madison #9
West Springfield #10

I think the earlier press releases coincided with periods where the Asra Nomani-types were attacking FCPS for things like not adequately recognizing Letter of Commendation winners. Although maybe they didn't want to call attention to TJ dropping to #14 nationally.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when these decisions plan to be finalized, most importantly regarding the Langley pyramid?

NO. No one knows anything and this entire thread is speculative. There are a few posters who seem to love getting everyone riled up with their hypotheticals, but they don't know anything more than the rest of us. Best to just ignore them.

Are you including the Langley posters who keep coming up with hypotheticals to move anyone but Langley kids into Herndon? They’ve been quite active here.

I'm including anyone and everyone who keeps throwing out hypotheticals of any kind - to include all of the posters who don't even have kids at Langley but feel entitled to opine about where those kids should be moved.

Tell your neighbors to pipe down then. There’s no group that spends more time trying to map out boundary changes that would move kids at other schools, but not their schools, than Langley parents.

F off. No one in the Langley pyramid wants ANY kids moved. We just want you to stop pushing to move our kids when there is no justification for it.

You’re obsessed with Langley for some reason. Get over it.

No justification 🤣🤣🤣did you forget the part where there is a highschool 3 miles away instead of 12. You just don't like the justifications. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

New Year, same drivel from the equity warriors.

Lolllllllllll.....i don't think equity means what you think it means.
Laughable how some folks try to use one word to scare away people when presented with sound and reasonable arguments.

The only type of “equity” some of these folks acknowledge as legitimate is the equity in their homes. They treat any other notion of equity or fairness as an obscenity.

I believe strongly in equality. That’s how I was raised, and I believe most people, even most democrats, believe strongly in those principles over equity. I also think that the left is hemorrhaging votes based on its insistence on equity over equality.

Absolutely correct.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when these decisions plan to be finalized, most importantly regarding the Langley pyramid?

NO. No one knows anything and this entire thread is speculative. There are a few posters who seem to love getting everyone riled up with their hypotheticals, but they don't know anything more than the rest of us. Best to just ignore them.

Are you including the Langley posters who keep coming up with hypotheticals to move anyone but Langley kids into Herndon? They’ve been quite active here.

I'm including anyone and everyone who keeps throwing out hypotheticals of any kind - to include all of the posters who don't even have kids at Langley but feel entitled to opine about where those kids should be moved.

Tell your neighbors to pipe down then. There’s no group that spends more time trying to map out boundary changes that would move kids at other schools, but not their schools, than Langley parents.

F off. No one in the Langley pyramid wants ANY kids moved. We just want you to stop pushing to move our kids when there is no justification for it.

You’re obsessed with Langley for some reason. Get over it.

No justification 🤣🤣🤣did you forget the part where there is a highschool 3 miles away instead of 12. You just don't like the justifications. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

New Year, same drivel from the equity warriors.

Lolllllllllll.....i don't think equity means what you think it means.
Laughable how some folks try to use one word to scare away people when presented with sound and reasonable arguments.

The only type of “equity” some of these folks acknowledge as legitimate is the equity in their homes. They treat any other notion of equity or fairness as an obscenity.

I believe strongly in equality. That’s how I was raised, and I believe most people, even most democrats, believe strongly in those principles over equity. I also think that the left is hemorrhaging votes based on its insistence on equity over equality.

Attention friends! Do you need equity versus equality explained to you?!

https://interactioninstitute.org/illustrating-equality-vs-equity/

Your take isn't as great as you think it is.

I’ve seen that before, I just don’t believe that society should be picking winners and losers that way.

I spoke intentionally and with understanding of what I was saying, but you’ve never really been interested in a dialogue.

I’m fairly confident most people reject that worldview. But don’t take my word for it, just look back to November. Dems are bleeding support from almost every cross section. That’s not by accident.

In the interest of dialogue...i too used to think like you. Then people/situations kind of opened my eyes to the fact that not everybody experiences life in the same way because everybody is starting at different points.

This can easily be related to the school scenarios by comparing and contrasting different resources students are offered in different pyramids.

DP. Which is why Title 1 schools receive far more funding than other schools. And what do they have to show for it?

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s be honest. Langley HS will get special exemptions. McLean will take the hits for Langley.

Oh, please. McLean has had ample opportunities to send large numbers to Langley to alleviate McLean’s crowding. But then people like you claim “no one” wants that. But sure, poor McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when these decisions plan to be finalized, most importantly regarding the Langley pyramid?

NO. No one knows anything and this entire thread is speculative. There are a few posters who seem to love getting everyone riled up with their hypotheticals, but they don't know anything more than the rest of us. Best to just ignore them.

Are you including the Langley posters who keep coming up with hypotheticals to move anyone but Langley kids into Herndon? They’ve been quite active here.

I'm including anyone and everyone who keeps throwing out hypotheticals of any kind - to include all of the posters who don't even have kids at Langley but feel entitled to opine about where those kids should be moved.

Tell your neighbors to pipe down then. There’s no group that spends more time trying to map out boundary changes that would move kids at other schools, but not their schools, than Langley parents.

F off. No one in the Langley pyramid wants ANY kids moved. We just want you to stop pushing to move our kids when there is no justification for it.

You’re obsessed with Langley for some reason. Get over it.

No justification 🤣🤣🤣did you forget the part where there is a highschool 3 miles away instead of 12. You just don't like the justifications. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

New Year, same drivel from the equity warriors.

Lolllllllllll.....i don't think equity means what you think it means.
Laughable how some folks try to use one word to scare away people when presented with sound and reasonable arguments.

The only type of “equity” some of these folks acknowledge as legitimate is the equity in their homes. They treat any other notion of equity or fairness as an obscenity.

I believe strongly in equality. That’s how I was raised, and I believe most people, even most democrats, believe strongly in those principles over equity. I also think that the left is hemorrhaging votes based on its insistence on equity over equality.

Attention friends! Do you need equity versus equality explained to you?!

https://interactioninstitute.org/illustrating-equality-vs-equity/

Your take isn't as great as you think it is.

I’ve seen that before, I just don’t believe that society should be picking winners and losers that way.

I spoke intentionally and with understanding of what I was saying, but you’ve never really been interested in a dialogue.

I’m fairly confident most people reject that worldview. But don’t take my word for it, just look back to November. Dems are bleeding support from almost every cross section. That’s not by accident.

In the interest of dialogue...i too used to think like you. Then people/situations kind of opened my eyes to the fact that not everybody experiences life in the same way because everybody is starting at different points.

This can easily be related to the school scenarios by comparing and contrasting different resources students are offered in different pyramids.

DP. Which is why Title 1 schools receive far more funding than other schools. And what do they have to show for it?

You sound like the type who'd remove the Title I funding just to find out. It's hard to imagine ELL students would learn more quickly if they were in larger classrooms.