Fire in upper NW?

Anonymous
Even if the dogs were outside and barking, that most likely wouldn't be enough to alert neighbors, unfortunately.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe that a "professional" would ever be caught on video. This was a random act by at least two thugs....


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But didn't the family have a security system? At some point, someone could have signaled an alarm. And, if it was totally random, why would they pick this family and a house that is nestled near so many high-profile people (VP, Clintons, Ambassadors) with security? If I was randomly going to target a wealthy family, I would hit someone that had few neighbors, not ones that were mere feet away.
Anonymous
there is a private security patrol in that neighborhood (urban alarm) as well. you would think they would have been the ones to notice the fire or if dogs were barking etc.
Anonymous
"Police said they will check surveillance video from cameras in the neighborhood. At least two cameras are visible outside the Savopoulos' home.
Neighbors who've been in the home said the family had an extensive and valuable art collection, which was on display a couple of years ago during the Christmas house tour put on by St. Albans school, where Phillip was a student."

Hundreds of people went on this tour, including me. "Extensive" understates it, and presumably jewelry to match. Easily millions.....All this speculation of hostage taking to go to an ATM to get a few thousand bucks makes zero sense. You either are there for 'a big score' with knowledge of what was there, or you planned a random robbery, and got 'lucky' or this was simply one or more psychopaths. With knowledge or not before hand of what was there, once there, they had already won the burglary lottery, so the violence, and apparent holding of this family for many hours is just totally baffling.

If the stuff was the target, why kill the family? Why be there overnight, or for at least quite a few hours? Maybe a random home invasion, and they had no idea of the value of the art, but then why not just take the presumably equally valuable jewelry and just take off?

Baffling. Scary. Just sickened.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe that a "professional" would ever be caught on video. This was a random act by at least two thugs....


+1


It's unavoidable. Who is going to recognize that amorphous
figure in head to toe dark colors and hoody? What is their race, gender, hair color?
Anonymous
Looking at the video.. paused :31 in..it doesn't look like the suspect's hood (if there is one at all) is up. The color of the shirt is darker than the neck&head of the suspect. Unless the hoodie is a lighter color and under the dark top, I dont think he's wearing a hoodie? just speculating.
Anonymous
A while back I remember reading an article about criminals being caught committing car thefts because they stole a car that had a manual transmission and they didn't know how to shift.

I can't drive a shift. Never learned. The person that drove the car had to know how to drive that car. Was the car a manual transmission ? Was it set on fire or did it overheat and catch fire because the person that stole it didn't know how to shift ?

That's not a common car for everyday people. Surely that car would stick out no matter where it went. Especially in broad daylight in full view of anyone that happened to see it in that neighborhood. Was the person not afraid of being seen ?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hoodie and dark clothing and all covered. Seems more "professional" than a random crime of opportunity assailant.


I'm pretty sure a hoodie is thug gear 101.

I still think this is like the triple murder in Georgetown at Starbucks. Couple of thugs who were looking for a quick buck and things got out of hand.


Just like the maid theory, this is based off of your fears and is not
related to any of the facts. This was a well planned, organized
operation carried out by professionals.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:A while back I remember reading an article about criminals being caught committing car thefts because they stole a car that had a manual transmission and they didn't know how to shift.

I can't drive a shift. Never learned. The person that drove the car had to know how to drive that car. Was the car a manual transmission ? Was it set on fire or did it overheat and catch fire because the person that stole it didn't know how to shift ?

That's not a common car for everyday people. Surely that car would stick out no matter where it went. Especially in broad daylight in full view of anyone that happened to see it in that neighborhood. Was the person not afraid of being seen ?




You can't be serious. They set the house and car on fire to destroy evidence.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hoodie and dark clothing and all covered. Seems more "professional" than a random crime of opportunity assailant.


I'm pretty sure a hoodie is thug gear 101.

I still think this is like the triple murder in Georgetown at Starbucks. Couple of thugs who were looking for a quick buck and things got out of hand.


Just like the maid theory, this is based off of your fears and is not
related to any of the facts. This was a well planned, organized
operation carried out by professionals.


Then why take hours and hours? There was a multi million art collection in that house. Its not professional at all not to get in and get out.....either as a thief, or as a hit. Sounds like a psychopath.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A while back I remember reading an article about criminals being caught committing car thefts because they stole a car that had a manual transmission and they didn't know how to shift.

I can't drive a shift. Never learned. The person that drove the car had to know how to drive that car. Was the car a manual transmission ? Was it set on fire or did it overheat and catch fire because the person that stole it didn't know how to shift ?

That's not a common car for everyday people. Surely that car would stick out no matter where it went. Especially in broad daylight in full view of anyone that happened to see it in that neighborhood. Was the person not afraid of being seen ?




You can't be serious. They set the house and car on fire to destroy evidence.


And you know this for a fact ?
Anonymous
Where did the gasoline come from ? Did the person bring it with them or knew where it was stored ?

Anyone remember this one ?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fla-man-killed-wife-kids-mansion-deputies-article-1.1786184



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Even if the dogs were outside and barking, that most likely wouldn't be enough to alert neighbors, unfortunately.


Not necessarily. A few months back a dog was barking incessantly in our neighborhood, which was a bit out of character, and multiple neighbors made an effort to contact the owner and/or try to go check on the dog. I suspect we were more sensitive because we knew the owner had a medical emergency in the past, but there was really no reason to suspect that again. People sometimes respond to things out of concern.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hoodie and dark clothing and all covered. Seems more "professional" than a random crime of opportunity assailant.


I'm pretty sure a hoodie is thug gear 101.

I still think this is like the triple murder in Georgetown at Starbucks. Couple of thugs who were looking for a quick buck and things got out of hand.


Just like the maid theory, this is based off of your fears and is not
related to any of the facts. This was a well planned, organized
operation carried out by professionals.


Then why take hours and hours? There was a multi million art collection in that house. Its not professional at all not to get in and get out.....either as a thief, or as a hit. Sounds like a psychopath.


Or someone who had it out for him/ them on a deeply, deeply personal level.
Anonymous
Assuming the family was being held hostage Wednesday night, the intruder(s) must have gotten there before the maid normally leaves and then waited for the father to come home. Why? If they needed the dad why not just come at three a.m. when you know he is home? And if they didn't need the dad, why hang out that long? They may have been there up to twenty-four hours.
It can't be random and have the car end up near the business. It wasn't art thieves. They don't stick around to murder their victims. I strongly suspect he/they needed the father to do something and used his family for incentive. Maybe they didn't come in the middle of the night because they didn't want to set off alarms. It had to be more than one person. And WHAT could that possibly be carrying? The whole point of torching everything was to destroy all the evidence. Then he walks away holding something?
FWIW though, I am against the 1984-ing of society. Too much potential for misuse and any perceived benefits are vastly outweighed by that. The family could have (and may have) had cameras in the home. We don't need every move in public recorded.
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