TJ Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

You know what Frederick Douglass, Oprah Winfrey, and Malala Yousafzai have in common? None of them need you to tell them they’re not enough. They believed in their own worth and individual agency, and they worked hard to earn their greatness, even when no one was “paying a lot of money” for them.

You should tell your kids, “You are so enough; you have greatness in you; you're not limited by your circumstances". If you do this, I wouldn’t mind losing to you. Until then, I won’t.

So you are speaking for black people now?

Sit TF down.

No, I am not. I didn’t even have a color in mind when citing these great people. This post, unfortunately, speaks for yourself. Change starts from within. Focus on more civility in your home rather than worrying about how I spend my own money for my own children.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

You know what Frederick Douglass, Oprah Winfrey, and Malala Yousafzai have in common? None of them need you to tell them they’re not enough. They believed in their own worth and individual agency, and they worked hard to earn their greatness, even when no one was “paying a lot of money” for them.

You should tell your kids, “You are so enough; you have greatness in you; you're not limited by your circumstances". If you do this, I wouldn’t mind losing to you. Until then, I won’t.

So you are speaking for black people now?

Sit TF down.

No, I am not. I didn’t even have a color in mind when citing these great people. This post, unfortunately, speaks for yourself. Change starts from within. Focus on more civility in your home rather than worrying about how I spend my own money for my own children.

Frederick Douglass? Oprah Winfrey?

You are a pathetic liar.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

Lost how? Without Asian American students, there is no TJ.

Without Indian Americans there is no TJ. There I fixed that for you. The sad thing is you all will be on here 15 years from now arguing about because your group got bumped by the Nigerian Americans, and so on and so forth, stuck in the past and dreaming of the halcyon days of the pay to prep to TJ pipeline.

Wherever Asian students get bumped to, TJ follows them there.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

You know what Frederick Douglass, Oprah Winfrey, and Malala Yousafzai have in common? None of them need you to tell them they’re not enough. They believed in their own worth and individual agency, and they worked hard to earn their greatness, even when no one was “paying a lot of money” for them.

You should tell your kids, “You are so enough; you have greatness in you; you're not limited by your circumstances". If you do this, I wouldn’t mind losing to you. Until then, I won’t.

So you are speaking for black people now?

Sit TF down.

No, I am not. I didn’t even have a color in mind when citing these great people. This post, unfortunately, speaks for yourself. Change starts from within. Focus on more civility in your home rather than worrying about how I spend my own money for my own children.

Frederick Douglass? Oprah Winfrey?

You are a pathetic liar.

Being stuck in a posture of inferiority is a choice. Your language is forgiven.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

I agree, and if I thought Asians were discriminated against, I'd be outraged. The reality is that admissions reflect interest. The data shows that the various racial groups are admitted within a few percent of each other based on the admit/apply ratio. The issue isn't the selection process but getting others more interested in this program and eliminating the barriers that discourage them from applying.

You continue to spread this lie even though you've been fact-checked countless times before.

class of 2025 admit rates:
Asian 19%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
Black 14%
White 17%
Hispanic 21%

I’m not sure how these percentages matter, when the top half of TJ is dominated by the same ethnicity even after admission change? While FCPS claims to have achieved diversity, it’s all in the bottom tier of TJ. How is that considered "respectable" diversity?

That's the way diversity works at all the selective colleges as well.
We are training our best and brightest to think of URM as less intelligent by surrounding them with less intelligent URMs.

"Less intelligent URMs"? WTAF, no.

Fortunately, most kids today are aware of their privilege and won't make racist assumptions like their parents may have done.

You are engaging in wishful thinking.
If you don't like the word intelligent because you think it is some sort of immutable trait, then replace that word with academic ability or whatever word you use to describe the ability developed by a lifetime of dedicated study and learning.

Go to any selective college outside HYPSM+Columbia and there will be a pretty stark gap between the academic ability of URM students and unhooked non-URM students.
The HYPSM schools admit not only their share of URM students but the rest of the IVY+ share as well so that by the time you get down to places like Cornell, the gap i academic achievement is almost insurmountable.

I'm not sure how this manifests itself i a randomly selected student body but I wouldn't be surprised if the random selection makes the gap smaller.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

I agree, and if I thought Asians were discriminated against, I'd be outraged. The reality is that admissions reflect interest. The data shows that the various racial groups are admitted within a few percent of each other based on the admit/apply ratio. The issue isn't the selection process but getting others more interested in this program and eliminating the barriers that discourage them from applying.

You continue to spread this lie even though you've been fact-checked countless times before.

class of 2025 admit rates:
Asian 19%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
Black 14%
White 17%
Hispanic 21%

I’m not sure how these percentages matter, when the top half of TJ is dominated by the same ethnicity even after admission change? While FCPS claims to have achieved diversity, it’s all in the bottom tier of TJ. How is that considered "respectable" diversity?

That's the way diversity works at all the selective colleges as well.
We are training our best and brightest to think of URM as less intelligent by surrounding them with less intelligent URMs.

"Less intelligent URMs"? WTAF, no.

Fortunately, most kids today are aware of their privilege and won't make racist assumptions like their parents may have done.

Don't abbreviate. Use the full term - underrepresented minorities - and get used to the way it feels to say it and type it.

Better yet, use the better term "students from underrepresented groups". The group is the statistic, not the student.

I totally agree; I was quoting the PP.

I generally try to differentiate between students and the things they can't control - family heritage, income, etc. They aren't defined solely by certain attributes.

And yet you would support policies that would categorize students based on their race.

It is this race based selection that creates the large achievement gaps that we see at most selective schools between URMs and nonURMs.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

My kids work hard AND they have had a lot of privileges in their life.

They were very lucky to grow up in a house full of books and have engaged parents with multiple degrees who know how to navigate the educational system.

They are no more entitled to a seat a TJ than any other kid.

Are they less entitled to the things they earn because they had privileges in life?

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

You know what Frederick Douglass, Oprah Winfrey, and Malala Yousafzai have in common? None of them need you to tell them they’re not enough. They believed in their own worth and individual agency, and they worked hard to earn their greatness, even when no one was “paying a lot of money” for them.

You should tell your kids, “You are so enough; you have greatness in you; you're not limited by your circumstances". If you do this, I wouldn’t mind losing to you. Until then, I won’t.

So you are speaking for black people now?

Sit TF down.

No, I am not. I didn’t even have a color in mind when citing these great people. This post, unfortunately, speaks for yourself. Change starts from within. Focus on more civility in your home rather than worrying about how I spend my own money for my own children.

Frederick Douglass? Oprah Winfrey?

You are a pathetic liar.

Being stuck in a posture of inferiority is a choice. Your language is forgiven.

I guess when you realize that you have no valid argument you resort to lies.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

I agree, and if I thought Asians were discriminated against, I'd be outraged. The reality is that admissions reflect interest. The data shows that the various racial groups are admitted within a few percent of each other based on the admit/apply ratio. The issue isn't the selection process but getting others more interested in this program and eliminating the barriers that discourage them from applying.

You continue to spread this lie even though you've been fact-checked countless times before.

class of 2025 admit rates:
Asian 19%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
Black 14%
White 17%
Hispanic 21%

I’m not sure how these percentages matter, when the top half of TJ is dominated by the same ethnicity even after admission change? While FCPS claims to have achieved diversity, it’s all in the bottom tier of TJ. How is that considered "respectable" diversity?

That's the way diversity works at all the selective colleges as well.
We are training our best and brightest to think of URM as less intelligent by surrounding them with less intelligent URMs.

"Less intelligent URMs"? WTAF, no.

Fortunately, most kids today are aware of their privilege and won't make racist assumptions like their parents may have done.

Don't abbreviate. Use the full term - underrepresented minorities - and get used to the way it feels to say it and type it.

Better yet, use the better term "students from underrepresented groups". The group is the statistic, not the student.

I totally agree; I was quoting the PP.

I generally try to differentiate between students and the things they can't control - family heritage, income, etc. They aren't defined solely by certain attributes.

And yet you would support policies that would categorize students based on their race.

It is this race based selection that creates the large achievement gaps that we see at most selective schools between URMs and nonURMs.

There is zero race-based selection.

TROLL

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

I agree, and if I thought Asians were discriminated against, I'd be outraged. The reality is that admissions reflect interest. The data shows that the various racial groups are admitted within a few percent of each other based on the admit/apply ratio. The issue isn't the selection process but getting others more interested in this program and eliminating the barriers that discourage them from applying.

You continue to spread this lie even though you've been fact-checked countless times before.

class of 2025 admit rates:
Asian 19%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
Black 14%
White 17%
Hispanic 21%

I’m not sure how these percentages matter, when the top half of TJ is dominated by the same ethnicity even after admission change? While FCPS claims to have achieved diversity, it’s all in the bottom tier of TJ. How is that considered "respectable" diversity?

That's the way diversity works at all the selective colleges as well.
We are training our best and brightest to think of URM as less intelligent by surrounding them with less intelligent URMs.

"Less intelligent URMs"? WTAF, no.

Fortunately, most kids today are aware of their privilege and won't make racist assumptions like their parents may have done.

Don't abbreviate. Use the full term - underrepresented minorities - and get used to the way it feels to say it and type it.

Better yet, use the better term "students from underrepresented groups". The group is the statistic, not the student.

I totally agree; I was quoting the PP.

I generally try to differentiate between students and the things they can't control - family heritage, income, etc. They aren't defined solely by certain attributes.

And yet you would support policies that would categorize students based on their race.

It is this race based selection that creates the large achievement gaps that we see at most selective schools between URMs and nonURMs.

There is zero race-based selection.

TROLL

The whole process was driven by a desire to racially balance TJ.
They had been trying to do it for years and BLM protests gave them the opportunity to do stupid things without opposition.

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It is a race aware admission that excludes Asian students from participating in the 100 expanded seats quota. Facts matter, and speak for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

Lost how? Without Asian American students, there is no TJ.

Without Indian Americans there is no TJ. There I fixed that for you. The sad thing is you all will be on here 15 years from now arguing about because your group got bumped by the Nigerian Americans, and so on and so forth, stuck in the past and dreaming of the halcyon days of the pay to prep to TJ pipeline.

East asian here and I don't begrudge the Indians anything they've earned.
Their kids work harder than my kids.
One day when the Indians get fat and happy and the next wave of immigrants come and bump out the Indians, I will fight the Indians if they try to suppress the new immigrant group but I am almost positive they will not.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

Lost how? Without Asian American students, there is no TJ.

Without Indian Americans there is no TJ. There I fixed that for you. The sad thing is you all will be on here 15 years from now arguing about because your group got bumped by the Nigerian Americans, and so on and so forth, stuck in the past and dreaming of the halcyon days of the pay to prep to TJ pipeline.

East asian here and I don't begrudge the Indians anything they've earned.
Their kids work harder than my kids.
One day when the Indians get fat and happy and the next wave of immigrants come and bump out the Indians, I will fight the Indians if they try to suppress the new immigrant group but I am almost positive they will not.

FCPS says a TJ class is overwhelmingly dependent on Asian students for their stem expertise.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

You know what Frederick Douglass, Oprah Winfrey, and Malala Yousafzai have in common? None of them need you to tell them they’re not enough. They believed in their own worth and individual agency, and they worked hard to earn their greatness, even when no one was “paying a lot of money” for them.

You should tell your kids, “You are so enough; you have greatness in you; you're not limited by your circumstances". If you do this, I wouldn’t mind losing to you. Until then, I won’t.

So you are speaking for black people now?

Sit TF down.

No, I am not. I didn’t even have a color in mind when citing these great people. This post, unfortunately, speaks for yourself. Change starts from within. Focus on more civility in your home rather than worrying about how I spend my own money for my own children.

Frederick Douglass? Oprah Winfrey?

You are a pathetic liar.

Being stuck in a posture of inferiority is a choice. Your language is forgiven.

I guess when you realize that you have no valid argument you resort to lies.

The biggest lie is your entitlement is based on your color. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.

If the lie “affluent families are buying access to question banks” helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and cling to it. How about getting a real job, working harder, getting involved and motivating your kids, so they too can attend not “wealthy schools” but academically excellent schools. Trying is better than whining.

My role as activist might be seen as whining, if that’s how you want to put it! I am an activist, a TJ alumnus, and Asian as well. However, I truly want to see more diversity at TJ, in whatever form it takes. I recognize that this challenges the traditional Asian cultural emphasis on education above all else. Still, without the stability of family support and parental commitment, Asian students would be just like students from other ethnic backgrounds. Don’t you agree?

LOL you're not an activist, you're a liar.

No one that has been paying attention thinks that this wasn't motivated by race.

And it's hard to believe that you are an asian TJ alum.
I know plenty of asian TJ alums that are extremely woke but none of them would make the claim that asian kids cheated their way into TJ.
None of them would conflate studying with cheating.
Their wokeness manifests itself in the form of charity for URM.

You are lying. PP never conflated studying with cheating.

Many TJ students acknowledge the advantages that test prep courses give the kids whose families can afford them.

Yes, what you call test prep is actually studying.

The prepvious PP frequently conflates studying with cheating.
The previous PP frequently makes false claim about people buying the test, the answers or both.
The previous PP lies about the race driven conversation that resulted in the current admissions process.
In short, the previous PP is a liar.

More fiction.

We all know that kids who attend test prep programs and have access to prior test questions have an unfair advantage that their parents bought for them.

Working hard is not an unfair advantage. Being present for your kids is not an unfair advantage. Stop whining about someone else's success from your couch while refusing to lift a finger. Don’t justify your entitlement by accusing life is unfair. If you can't keep up, work harder!

No one disagrees with this. The people who are whining are YOU, because you lost.

There is a difference between "studying hard" and "paying a lot of money for bespoke prep services designed to keep poor kids out of select educational opportunities".

Lost how? Without Asian American students, there is no TJ.

Without Indian Americans there is no TJ. There I fixed that for you. The sad thing is you all will be on here 15 years from now arguing about because your group got bumped by the Nigerian Americans, and so on and so forth, stuck in the past and dreaming of the halcyon days of the pay to prep to TJ pipeline.

East asian here and I don't begrudge the Indians anything they've earned.
Their kids work harder than my kids.
One day when the Indians get fat and happy and the next wave of immigrants come and bump out the Indians, I will fight the Indians if they try to suppress the new immigrant group but I am almost positive they will not.

FCPS says a TJ class is overwhelmingly dependent on Asian students for their stem expertise.

They do?
Do you have a cite?

TJ parent here and one thing this lottery has done is it has admitted a wide range of asians.
Asians are not universally smart.
You have to select fore that otherwise you get AAP levels of bright but that's about it.
Just looking at the NMSF from TJ, 23 out of 81 kids have non-asian surnames. The proportion of asian NMSF is usually higher.
They aren't just selecting less capable non-asians. They are selecting (on average) less capable asians as well.
The lack of standardized testing is making it a real crap shoot.
The top 25% of students are really competitive but that number was over 50% before.

On the plus side, it's easier to be at the top of the class.