The Blind Side scandal

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Anonymous wrote:From Leigh Anne's webpage

"Your new new e-book, Making It Happen, is out just in time for National Adoption Awareness Month. What inspired you to write it?

I wanted everyone to realize that yes—adopting a 6′ 6″ 350 pound African-American young man is a wonderful thing. [Her adopted son is Michael Oher, formerly a homeless teen, who is currently left tackle for the Baltimore Ravens.] If you have the resources and ability to do that, you should. There are 400,000-plus kids in foster care waiting to be adopted. But there are other things you can do as well to make a difference. My new book tells you how you can be a giver. It talks about really turning around and realizing that the view behind you is a whole lot different from the view in front of you."

Wow , what kind of monster would use publicity to encourage people to adopt kids from foster care. Wonder how she sleeps at night. /s

So why didn’t she adopt Michael? Why instead did her family employ a lawyer to set up a conservatorship when limits his financial independence and turns authority for his financial dealings over to them, does not make him a legal member of their household, and is typically only granted in situations where an individual has severe physical or psychological conditions? And then used that same attorney as his representative in business dealings?

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Anonymous wrote:From Leigh Anne's webpage

"Your new new e-book, Making It Happen, is out just in time for National Adoption Awareness Month. What inspired you to write it?

I wanted everyone to realize that yes—adopting a 6′ 6″ 350 pound African-American young man is a wonderful thing. [Her adopted son is Michael Oher, formerly a homeless teen, who is currently left tackle for the Baltimore Ravens.] If you have the resources and ability to do that, you should. There are 400,000-plus kids in foster care waiting to be adopted. But there are other things you can do as well to make a difference. My new book tells you how you can be a giver. It talks about really turning around and realizing that the view behind you is a whole lot different from the view in front of you."

Wow , what kind of monster would use publicity to encourage people to adopt kids from foster care. Wonder how she sleeps at night. /s

So why didn’t she adopt Michael? Why instead did her family employ a lawyer to set up a conservatorship when limits his financial independence and turns authority for his financial dealings over to them, does not make him a legal member of their household, and is typically only granted in situations where an individual has severe physical or psychological conditions? And then used that same attorney as his representative in business dealings?

Did they handle his NFL money? Did they steal from him?

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

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How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

But that’s not what happened. You know that right? Several people have already discussed the movie was not the same as real life. I am not saying the family is horrible, but their motives were not purely altruistic and they peddled a lie for 20 years. Why do you think they did that?

Movie is a movie PP. Based on true story is not the same as a true story. I don't understand what you think they should have done once the movie came out. So, are you mad because the movie wasn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Your holier-than-thou response is off the chart.

Really? I don’t care about the movie. I care about the lies they peddled about adoption for years in interviews, in bold and one their website. My references to the movie was to combat PP’s beliefs about how they met Michael. You are getting way too worked about about this and your refusal to acknowledge the lies surrounding adoption are f’ed up. Adoption is an issue close to my heart and my family and I (and others) have every right to be offended when someone makes up claims about adoption.

You're the one worked up. Michael knows he wasn't adopted. Where was the lie?

He believed the conservatorship was akin to adoption and needed because he was over 18. Which isn’t true. I don’t expect an 18 year old to question that. He probably didn’t fully grasp the difference for some time considering the lawyer who they hired to set up the conservator ship was also handing his business contracts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

But that’s not what happened. You know that right? Several people have already discussed the movie was not the same as real life. I am not saying the family is horrible, but their motives were not purely altruistic and they peddled a lie for 20 years. Why do you think they did that?

Movie is a movie PP. Based on true story is not the same as a true story. I don't understand what you think they should have done once the movie came out. So, are you mad because the movie wasn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Your holier-than-thou response is off the chart.

Really? I don’t care about the movie. I care about the lies they peddled about adoption for years in interviews, in bold and one their website. My references to the movie was to combat PP’s beliefs about how they met Michael. You are getting way too worked about about this and your refusal to acknowledge the lies surrounding adoption are f’ed up. Adoption is an issue close to my heart and my family and I (and others) have every right to be offended when someone makes up claims about adoption.

DP but you definitely sound like the one who is worked up.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

But that’s not what happened. You know that right? Several people have already discussed the movie was not the same as real life. I am not saying the family is horrible, but their motives were not purely altruistic and they peddled a lie for 20 years. Why do you think they did that?

Movie is a movie PP. Based on true story is not the same as a true story. I don't understand what you think they should have done once the movie came out. So, are you mad because the movie wasn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Your holier-than-thou response is off the chart.

Really? I don’t care about the movie. I care about the lies they peddled about adoption for years in interviews, in bold and one their website. My references to the movie was to combat PP’s beliefs about how they met Michael. You are getting way too worked about about this and your refusal to acknowledge the lies surrounding adoption are f’ed up. Adoption is an issue close to my heart and my family and I (and others) have every right to be offended when someone makes up claims about adoption.

You're the one worked up. Michael knows he wasn't adopted. Where was the lie?

He believed the conservatorship was akin to adoption and needed because he was over 18. Which isn’t true. I don’t expect an 18 year old to question that. He probably didn’t fully grasp the difference for some time considering the lawyer who they hired to set up the conservator ship was also handing his business contracts.

If they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings I have a hard time understanding why anyone thinks this is “clearly” anything. If he thought he was adopted and they didn’t treat him like family then that’s terrible and it hurts. But if they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings or take from them, seems like it’s hard to argue they took advantage of him.

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Anonymous wrote:Assume the family is bad. Even then this is pretty one sided against Michael. He was never lied to. He got his money until he said he did not want it and then it went into a true for Michael’s kids.

Keep trying media spinner. No one is buying what you are peddling.

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They hired nasty PR form to try to salvage their reputation? That only makes them look worse.

They probably do have a pr firm but it is not publicly known so how do you know they are nasty?

Marty Singer is a lawyer who is also a PR fixer. This is well known, as the fact that he uses dirty tactics.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

But that’s not what happened. You know that right? Several people have already discussed the movie was not the same as real life. I am not saying the family is horrible, but their motives were not purely altruistic and they peddled a lie for 20 years. Why do you think they did that?

Movie is a movie PP. Based on true story is not the same as a true story. I don't understand what you think they should have done once the movie came out. So, are you mad because the movie wasn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Your holier-than-thou response is off the chart.

Really? I don’t care about the movie. I care about the lies they peddled about adoption for years in interviews, in bold and one their website. My references to the movie was to combat PP’s beliefs about how they met Michael. You are getting way too worked about about this and your refusal to acknowledge the lies surrounding adoption are f’ed up. Adoption is an issue close to my heart and my family and I (and others) have every right to be offended when someone makes up claims about adoption.

You're the one worked up. Michael knows he wasn't adopted. Where was the lie?

He believed the conservatorship was akin to adoption and needed because he was over 18. Which isn’t true. I don’t expect an 18 year old to question that. He probably didn’t fully grasp the difference for some time considering the lawyer who they hired to set up the conservator ship was also handing his business contracts.

If they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings I have a hard time understanding why anyone thinks this is “clearly” anything. If he thought he was adopted and they didn’t treat him like family then that’s terrible and it hurts. But if they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings or take from them, seems like it’s hard to argue they took advantage of him.

You don’t think splitting the movie profits 5 ways is taking advantage? Why do their biological children deserve a cut? It has nothing to do with them.
These people are grifters.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

But that’s not what happened. You know that right? Several people have already discussed the movie was not the same as real life. I am not saying the family is horrible, but their motives were not purely altruistic and they peddled a lie for 20 years. Why do you think they did that?

Movie is a movie PP. Based on true story is not the same as a true story. I don't understand what you think they should have done once the movie came out. So, are you mad because the movie wasn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Your holier-than-thou response is off the chart.

Really? I don’t care about the movie. I care about the lies they peddled about adoption for years in interviews, in bold and one their website. My references to the movie was to combat PP’s beliefs about how they met Michael. You are getting way too worked about about this and your refusal to acknowledge the lies surrounding adoption are f’ed up. Adoption is an issue close to my heart and my family and I (and others) have every right to be offended when someone makes up claims about adoption.

You're the one worked up. Michael knows he wasn't adopted. Where was the lie?

He believed the conservatorship was akin to adoption and needed because he was over 18. Which isn’t true. I don’t expect an 18 year old to question that. He probably didn’t fully grasp the difference for some time considering the lawyer who they hired to set up the conservator ship was also handing his business contracts.

If they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings I have a hard time understanding why anyone thinks this is “clearly” anything. If he thought he was adopted and they didn’t treat him like family then that’s terrible and it hurts. But if they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings or take from them, seems like it’s hard to argue they took advantage of him.

You don’t think splitting the movie profits 5 ways is taking advantage? Why do their biological children deserve a cut? It has nothing to do with them.
These people are grifters.

$700,000 split 6 ways is change compared to the $35 million he made in the nfl. Do I think it’s wrong? Yes. Do I think that alone means they’re grifters with bad intentions? No. I think it hurts more emotionally. But if they’ve been estranged for years, we need to know more about that before taking sides.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

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How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

But that’s not what happened. You know that right? Several people have already discussed the movie was not the same as real life. I am not saying the family is horrible, but their motives were not purely altruistic and they peddled a lie for 20 years. Why do you think they did that?

Movie is a movie PP. Based on true story is not the same as a true story. I don't understand what you think they should have done once the movie came out. So, are you mad because the movie wasn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Your holier-than-thou response is off the chart.

Really? I don’t care about the movie. I care about the lies they peddled about adoption for years in interviews, in bold and one their website. My references to the movie was to combat PP’s beliefs about how they met Michael. You are getting way too worked about about this and your refusal to acknowledge the lies surrounding adoption are f’ed up. Adoption is an issue close to my heart and my family and I (and others) have every right to be offended when someone makes up claims about adoption.

You're the one worked up. Michael knows he wasn't adopted. Where was the lie?

He believed the conservatorship was akin to adoption and needed because he was over 18. Which isn’t true. I don’t expect an 18 year old to question that. He probably didn’t fully grasp the difference for some time considering the lawyer who they hired to set up the conservator ship was also handing his business contracts.

If they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings I have a hard time understanding why anyone thinks this is “clearly” anything. If he thought he was adopted and they didn’t treat him like family then that’s terrible and it hurts. But if they didn’t mismanage his nfl earnings or take from them, seems like it’s hard to argue they took advantage of him.

You don’t think splitting the movie profits 5 ways is taking advantage? Why do their biological children deserve a cut? It has nothing to do with them.
These people are grifters.

No I don’t. 5 way split makes sense. It is all of their stories. Not just Oher. Poor black kid becomes football star is not a movie. What makes the movie is how it all happened. That is all of their stories.

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Anonymous wrote:Assume the family is bad. Even then this is pretty one sided against Michael. He was never lied to. He got his money until he said he did not want it and then it went into a true for Michael’s kids.

Keep trying media spinner. No one is buying what you are peddling.

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They hired nasty PR form to try to salvage their reputation? That only makes them look worse.

They probably do have a pr firm but it is not publicly known so how do you know they are nasty?

Marty Singer is a lawyer who is also a PR fixer. This is well known, as the fact that he uses dirty tactics.

And you know this how? He has been charged with something or there has been an ethical complaint. Based on me just checking there has not been. He is a good lawyer who fights hard. Good for him and his clients. Oher’s lawyer are not looking that solid at the moment.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

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There is no estate. They are not dead. Do not use words when you do not know what they mean. Any kid can be cut out completely from a will at any time. So no this was not the reason. The reason was that this was what was needed to get past the NCAA. Adoption probably would not do it since he was over 18. And even if it did, adoption would take a long time. Conservatorship was probably done within two weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

He is not the victim. He is a real bad guy.

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Anonymous wrote:The situation is even more disgusting as the Touehys constantly tout their Christian values while lying and misleading an 18 year old underprivileged youth.

Welcome to any of those 'non-denominational' churches spun up since the late 80's. These people have been what we see from that segment of society for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

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There is no estate. They are not dead. Do not use words when you do not know what they mean. Any kid can be cut out completely from a will at any time. So no this was not the reason. The reason was that this was what was needed to get past the NCAA. Adoption probably would not do it since he was over 18. And even if it did, adoption would take a long time. Conservatorship was probably done within two weeks.

So, what you are saying is that Michael is in the will just like their other 2 children?