Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

Who’s the judge?

Not sure we know which judge signed the warrant since Trump hasn’t shown us the warrant.

Who signed the warrant is definitely out there.

There’s plenty of allegations about it, but Trump has not produced the warrant so we don’t actually know.

I've seen a photo

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Anonymous wrote:Remarkable that there were no leaks about this.

And Trump was the one who got the word out. So, he must be running scared and is trying to whip up everyone to come to his defense. (And even his most ardent supporters must be getting tired of defending him.).

It seems unlikely that this is “just” that he packed up classified docs when he left the White House because then surely he would have just handed them back. Why save classified docs??

They've already retrieved/he's already handed back many boxes of classified docs over the past few months. But apparently there were more that they wanted, or wanted to make sure that he had, or hadn't given away.

The GSA packed boxes marked classified and shipped them to Mar a Lago. Trump did not pack them or order them packed. White House Counsel also didn’t declassify the material in the boxes when Trump told them to (The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings) NARA then deliberately identified them as classified to the media, when in truth, the FBI has had access to these documents for months. Remember, the president has unilateral authority to declassify documents — anything in government and he exercised that right. The media then put out to the public that Trump 'stole' classified information to justify a raid on Mar A Lago. That's it in a nutshell. There is documented evidence of GSA packing the boxes and a paper trail showing WH Counsel did not declassify. In addition: NARA is only temporary custodian of a president's old White House archives until all those records are transferred back to president, once his presidential library is built. All the classified papers are returned to the former president. So why were the papers shipped to Mar-A-Lago by GSA in the first place? You can't tell me that the GSA didn't know their job? Please!

You seem to have a lot of knowledge. Where is the source?

Alex Jones

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

Who’s the judge?

Not sure we know which judge signed the warrant since Trump hasn’t shown us the warrant.

Who signed the warrant is definitely out there.

There’s plenty of allegations about it, but Trump has not produced the warrant so we don’t actually know.

I've seen a photo

Share it with the class?

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Let’s throw some now cliches out there, since clearly they apply.

Every conservative accusation is a confession.

Rules for thee but not for me.

Women aren’t people in the GOP (therefore Mrs. Clinton would be especially fair prey for the sin of not staying at home).

Etc. The GOP is the party powered by hypocrisy and corruption (and pedophilia, but so far that’s off topic to this). Where they illegally broke into their opponents’ headquarters to take what they wanted, and spent years harassing both Clintons to find zero offenses yet kept lying about it and literally chanting about “locking her up,” and then tried on several different levels to overturn the results of the election AND attempted a coup, in this non-political instance the government went through the appropriate channels. And as the Angry White House Staffer says, do you KNOW how many layers of people had to sign off on this?

And now the GOP wants to defund the police. Out-ducking-standing work, guys. You have absolutely no morals or beliefs. You are the toddlers of the political world, only toddlers will continue to grow and learn and you guys somehow get worse.

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Trump's new slogan: Defund the Police.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

Who’s the judge?

Not sure we know which judge signed the warrant since Trump hasn’t shown us the warrant.

Who signed the warrant is definitely out there.

There’s plenty of allegations about it, but Trump has not produced the warrant so we don’t actually know.

I've seen a photo

Share it with the class?

it's classified, which means Trump has it boxed up somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

According to reports, the Archives was concerned about the nature and subject of missing documents that were so sensitiive that they could not be itemized in the warrant. This isn't a fishing expedition, that isn't how the warrants work. Stop watching Fox.

Really now?

Yes, the reports really say that.

Wow, she has such credentials!

What are yours?

The GOP is freaking out before they have all the information. This is exactly what they do to bills. They vote everything down before reading and having all the information. Something like 23 FBI agents participated in the search. They have a duty to refuse illegal orders. I’ve known many agents and am pretty sure all of them are conservative. That tells me there is something justified in the search warrant. Wait for more information before calling for sedition as one FL state lawmaker has.

You people posted a photo of a paper in the bottom of a toilet bowl as proof. And believe it. I don't know how I can help if that doesn't even raise any questions.

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Trump knew this was coming. He just has to play the victim. All those documents are not HIS documents, they’re government property.

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Trump's people did cooperate with turning over documents earlier in the year, then stopped cooperating, which is what lead to this raid.


From Fox News, so not "liberal" news.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/president-donald-trump-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-house-news

Sources told Fox News on Tuesday that investigators from the Justice Department visited Mar-a-Lago in June for a meeting about turning over records as part of an investigation into documents former President Trump allegedly took with him from the White House to his private residence when he left office in January 2021.

Trump's attorneys were present at that meeting and the sources say the former president himself stopped in to say hello for a few minutes.

The meeting came months after the National Archives -- with assistance from the Justice Department -- was able to get 15 boxes of documents sent back to Washington, D.C. after expressing concern they were in Florida.

The June meeting was about additional documents that were being sought. But following it, the Justice Department and FBI felt they weren't getting the same cooperation they had been receiving earlier in the probe, according to a source with knowledge of negotiations between Trump's team and the federal entities.

The perceived lack of cooperation is why a search warrant was requested and ultimately executed on Monday, Aug. 8 at Trump's Palm Beach property.

So, Trump knew he had those docs, debunking the "GSA" poster's assertion that Trump didn't know about them.

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A few questions:
1) If there are some really incriminating documents, are Trump and his team stupid enough to leave them at MAL? What if the search doesn’t find them?

2) why in the name of all that is holy would Pence be defending the guy who tried to have him hanged???? What are the GOP rallying even more tightly? Don’t they know the FBI and judge would have done their homework, dotted their i’s and crossed their t’s? What’s the end game? Faux outrage to try to run the clock out until January when they hope they take the house and senate and shut down an important investigation?

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe how Republicans are still defending this treasonous man who was our president! He has made our country unsafe. He cow towed to Putin (how can we forget Helsinki when he sided with Putin over our own national security) and kissed North Korea's ass. If a Democrat had done this I would be up in arms. I am a staunch Democrat but I am a patriot before party.

And everybody who saying this would not happen to a Democrat this is some sort of witchhunt on Trump, what about the fact that there was an investigation on Hillary Clinton two weeks before an election? And I need to remind everybody that the head of the FBI is a trump appointee. The judge who signed the warrant is more than likely also a trump appointee and that's why he's not showing the warrant with the judges name.

It's truly mind blowing.

I'm not proud, but for a period of time, I was a John Edwards fan. As the evidence mounted that he was a shitty human, I stopped. I moved on and supported other politicians who weren't quite as terrible. It wasn't psychically crushing or anything. The cognitive dissonance it must take to keep telling yourself "Trump is good, actually" must be really uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

Who’s the judge?

Not sure we know which judge signed the warrant since Trump hasn’t shown us the warrant.

Who signed the warrant is definitely out there.

There’s plenty of allegations about it, but Trump has not produced the warrant so we don’t actually know.

I've seen a photo

Share it with the class?

it's classified, which means Trump has it boxed up somewhere.

Marked it up with a Sharpie, but then ran out of toilet paper, so now we'll never see it.

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Why in the name of all that is holy would Pence be defending the guy who tried to have him hanged????

His name is Reek.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's new slogan: Defund the Police.